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I think we all agreed early on in the NRWR campaign that [Son] Amaris, for all his appearance of benevolence, is still basically a Bond villain. His overly elaborate plan to commit crimes against Clan-manity is not exactly a surprise in that regard.
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Xarbala posted:The Ares Conventions were like early Star League guidelines-of-honor stuff that predate the Succession Wars, which is what people usually think of when imagining a time when having agreed-upon rules of conduct for warfare probably would've been nice. They actually significantly pre-date the Star League!  In fact, the Star League typically went out of its way to ignore them when they warcrimed the poo poo out of the Periphery during the Reunification War.The Clan trialing system is basically a ritualized version of the Ares Conventions suborned into determining who was the best at using their 12 meter tall prosthetic genitals, de facto if not as signatories. I kinda doubt it's still in play.
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Oh that's right, I keep forgetting the Star League were actually a bunch of right fuckers weren't they.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:24
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The fuckiest. They were just the only bunch of fuckers that ever "won" BattleTech, so they got to look all rosey in the history books.
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Xarbala posted:Oh that's right, I keep forgetting the Star League were actually a bunch of right fuckers weren't they. Yeah the Reunification War was not exactly a shining beacon of non-assholeness for the Camerons and the Star League.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:26
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Seriously, is there any faction in this setting that aren't raging assholes at one point or another?
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Jun 19, 2017 05:31
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A: lets push the clanners out!
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Jun 19, 2017 05:32
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W.T. Fits posted:Seriously, is there any faction in this setting that aren't raging assholes at one point or another? No, but that doesn't stop people from trying to write their pet faction that way.
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W.T. Fits posted:Seriously, is there any faction in this setting that aren't raging assholes at one point or another? I feel like the FRR are maybe the only faction in the original timeline that doesn't ever warcrimes anyone. Maybe St. Ives too. Mostly that's just because they don't exist long enough to have a chance to do anything too dickish.
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W.T. Fits posted:Seriously, is there any faction in this setting that aren't raging assholes at one point or another? The Free Rasalhague Republic never really got a chance to.  I mean, they have this pronounced tendency to blow up civilian Ghost Bear laborers later, but that's not really the FRR doing it anymore, y'know?
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This vote brings to the fore the one critique that I have with this thread. All the options are great and in this case they (mostly) present the conclusion of long running plot threads. Will the Drac Suns persist? Will the Minnesota Tribes be able to achieve their revenge? How crazy is Natasha Kerensky, really? Will the demon hawks make their way out of Andurien? It feels like each choice could be a whole shelf of stories and I kind of want to read them all. All that being said, more then anything else I kind of want see how the Hanse's gamble pans out. A
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Jun 19, 2017 05:41
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I have to go for A. It's time to show the galaxy that the NRWR aren't the only ones who can thrash the Clans into submission.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:49
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Jun 19, 2017 06:00
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Excuse me if I'm wrong, adherents to e-bushido that are here, but didn't the Clans war crime the gently caress out of Turtle Bay in the canon timeline?
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I'm going to vote D because gameplay wise, Manei Domini and Machina Domini implants are a ridiculous treat and we need at least one scenario showing off how ludicrous they can be. And I think it's almost as good an illustration of the NRWR-Clan spat being an echo, including the hatred, of the Reunification Wars and the Amaris Coup. Hatred begets hatred, and both sides believe they're the defenders of humanity and of righteousness, fighting for a noble cause-and by doing so, they become monsters. It's too late to stop. There's too many cycles of hatred to stop. No one stops. Not until the total annihilation of one side. But on the other hand it doesn't feel quite like it's the right time in the scenario narrative to have Operation Genocide. First, we show no mercy to the Clans' soldiers. Then and only then is it the right dramatic time to have their society crippled. MJ12 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Fraction Jackson posted:This is definitely true, although some people are voting for B specifically because they want to warcrimes the Clans, which is the attitude that I'm questioning here. And I agree with your reasoning! I'm just pointing out that even if B wins, we might not be the ones warcriming the Clans; we might be the ones getting warcrimed. I'm hoping that strengthens your argument, basically. 
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jng2058 posted:It's like this. The original timeline Federated Commonwealth seemed like a good idea that could have worked....but ultimately fell apart because of lovely leadership. The Federated Commonwealth could have worked as a military alliance, but once they moved it to a state it was doomed. Beyond a vague commitment to western-ish ideas of classical liberalism they don't have anything in common culturally, and centuries of Davion mismanagement left them in a West Germany/East Germany situation economically, but without a shared nationality to motivate people to reconstruct. Strobe posted:They actually significantly pre-date the Star League! And another fun note about the Ares Conventions: their introduction actually PROLONGED the Age of War, possibly by decades. People were getting real fuckin sick of real war, so when the Ares Conventions made it so that you basically just ran away if you got outmaneuvered (and your opponents had to let you do it, totally unscathed) and then came back next week to try again, everyone went back at it with renewed vigor. Strobe posted:The Free Rasalhague Republic never really got a chance to. I mean... they treat mercenaries like total poo poo. Skoll posted:Excuse me if I'm wrong, adherents to e-bushido that are here, but didn't the Clans war crime the gently caress out of Turtle Bay in the canon timeline? They got really mad that people weren't following their Clan rules of conforming to their dumb society and so they blew up a city. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 06:36
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I want to see NRWR going at the Clans with the gloves off. So off to D.
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Defiance Industries posted:They got really mad that people weren't following their Clan rules of conforming to their dumb society and so they blew up a city. While it was inhabited.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:46
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A The Draconis Suns will forge legends on Luthien! I give them one generation to fall apart horribly.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:59
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B Hopefully the NWRW brought a second jump drive so they can bring Tetate back to the Inner Sphere.
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Jun 19, 2017 07:21
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Jun 19, 2017 07:30
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Spoiled for choice here. A massive multinational clusterfuck over a symbolically important former battlefield, the embodiment of  , the second coming of Asa Taney's eugenicist circus, or the continued adventures of our favorite terribly named mercenaries.Guess I'll have to go with throwing a vote on D just to bring up their numbers.
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Jun 19, 2017 07:43
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I'm feeling sanguine about A
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Jun 19, 2017 08:12
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this is real tough, but A
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Jun 19, 2017 09:24
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Without a doubt, A.
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Jun 19, 2017 09:47
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"D amn, drat, drat," Me, while I was trying to make this decision.
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Jun 19, 2017 10:34
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No super strong opinion all the missions are interesting, so B just to keep it competitive.
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Jun 19, 2017 10:36
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Tran posted:Spoiled for choice here. A massive multinational clusterfuck over a symbolically important former battlefield, the embodiment of Tran, come by #acolyte sometime. Waci's starting up spike game again soon if you wanna play.
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Is it any surprise that the guy who entered a dedicated war crime bot for one of the design contests can't keep himself from voting B
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dis astranagant posted:Is it any surprise that the guy who entered a dedicated war crime bot for one of the design contests can't keep himself from voting B link to warcrime bot
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The mech itself is boring and stupid and really should have had some flamers but I think I was also trying to start a fistfight at the table when I designed it. 7/11/7 with max armor and 10 small pulse lasers. Takes a classic Capellan clusterfuckbot and turns it into a lean, mean murder machine.dis astranagant posted:People wanted to see my fluff so here it is: dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 11:12
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Looks like a 80-90% chance A has got it. PTN: Could we make an impassioned plea for saving missions B and D here, like you sometimes did/still do to in slightly different form for a while? Pwuhleaaaseee!
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Jun 19, 2017 12:46
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B Let's keep things interesting until the very end then. I'd love to see some stomping on clanners either way though.
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Jun 19, 2017 12:47
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Remember, a vote for A is a vote for potentially finding out what happened to Korean Salaryman and Brave Office Chair.
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Keru posted:Remember, a vote for A is a vote for potentially finding out what happened to Korean Salaryman and Brave Office Chair. Hopefully PTN hasn't turned Korean Salaryman into Downtrodden Laborer Caste Korean.
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As tempting as seeing the FedSuns in action in a major action would be, I can't help but fall for the allure of yet another crazy, daring Amaris plan. It's a close call, but the fact that Red Dawn is such a devious underhanded dickpunch, guaranteed to give several Clanners spontaneous rage-induced aneurysms, is enough win me over. As such, I gonna have to vote for B. Also mind the chance for a mis-jump that results in us fighting sentient birdmen
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Also since it's been so long, which one are the 2nd Crusader Wave Clans angry about: Not being told there's an Amaris around or not being told that they successfully reformed the Star League?
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I thought it was not being told they're very special boys and girls who are the best at everything. That generally seems to be what Clanners are pissed about.
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you'll have to speak up, i can't hear anything over the sound of you being smarter than everyone
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