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Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Look at all the Nazi apologists in this thread.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:37

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# ? May 14, 2024 19:45

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Seems more rude to not apologise for Nazis imo.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:46

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

SMH posted:

A bit more on the tampon tax.

Labor will not support the Greens' amendment which means it won't be successful.

If only taxes were consistent. It does seem strange, doesn't it, that things like condoms don't attract the GST but tampons and pads do.

ALP will not support a bill that does something they say is a good thing to do.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:49

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Maybe the ALP needs Nazi guns

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:52

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Anidav posted:

Maybe the ALP needs to gun Nazis.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:53

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

For gently caress's sake ALP, I wonder what the reasoning is besides just gross pettiness

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:55

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

I still don't see why GST had to have exemptions. This picking and choosing business just adds a whole bunch of stupid poo poo to argue over.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:55

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

I'm surprised none of the companies have rebranded them as 'incontinence pads', which apparently are GST free. The advertising campaign writes itself.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:56

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Futuresight posted:

I still don't see why GST had to have exemptions. This picking and choosing business just adds a whole bunch of stupid poo poo to argue over.

Because the GST is a regressive tax. For living hand to mouth a uniform 10% tax on all goods and services is essentially just an extra 10% tax on their income.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:59

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Futuresight posted:

I still don't see why GST had to have exemptions. This picking and choosing business just adds a whole bunch of stupid poo poo to argue over.

What the gently caress?

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:01

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

Well gently caress someone tell gaspy he isn't getting a secret santa gift this year.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:05

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

No I get that the GST was a regressive, lovely tax. But the better response would have been to adjust income taxes on the lower brackets and increase welfare. I guess Johnny being in charge made that other way impossible, but it's still a lovely legacy system that should either be repealed or compensated for directly. Choosing what gets to be exempt just allows for politicians to directly advantage/disadvantage different types of goods for political reasons.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:06

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Futuresight posted:

No I get that the GST was a regressive, lovely tax. But the better response would have been to adjust income taxes on the lower brackets and increase welfare. I guess Johnny being in charge made that other way impossible, but it's still a lovely legacy system that should either be repealed or compensated for directly. Choosing what gets to be exempt just allows for politicians to directly advantage/disadvantage different types of goods for political reasons.

That is a feature not a bug

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:10

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Waiting for Andrew Bolt to downplay the terrorist attack that occurred in front of a mosque today

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:10

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Tampongate: Guardian live blog reports

quote:

Finance minister Mathias Cormann says they are not luxury goods, they are just not listed as health items.

The Greens move to abolish GST on sanitary goods has failed 33-15.

BUT

quote:

Senate has voted 32-16 in favour of the amended bill on GST low value goods, which would delay the implementation of the tax on imported goods below $1,000 to 1 July 2018. It will also refer the issue for a Productivity Commission review.

Make tampons part of the terms of reference then. Oh and the RC into the banks was defeated as part of ALP amendment on the levy bill in the HR 70-76.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:10

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Recoome posted:

Waiting for Andrew Bolt to downplay the terrorist attack that occurred in front of a mosque today

He's going to have to go hard to beat this

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:11

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Lifehack: Buy your tampons on eBay from overseas and avoid GST.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:12

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

The exemptions (on things like fresh food) were a compromise to get it passed, that's it.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:13

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Futuresight posted:

No I get that the GST was a regressive, lovely tax. But the better response would have been to adjust income taxes on the lower brackets and increase welfare. I guess Johnny being in charge made that other way impossible, but it's still a lovely legacy system that should either be repealed or compensated for directly. Choosing what gets to be exempt just allows for politicians to directly advantage/disadvantage different types of goods for political reasons.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:17

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Futuresight posted:

No I get that the GST was a regressive, lovely tax. But the better response would have been to adjust income taxes on the lower brackets and increase welfare.

That's the same logic that results in lovely unions giving up worker rights in exchange for a slightly higher hourly rate.

Spoiler: What always ends up happening is that over time those improved rates diminish until they are left on the same equivalent pay they would have otherwise had with less rights.

The same thing with welfare and taxes.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:18

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Is there a GST on vintage Nazi weapons or do I have to buy that online too?

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:40

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Anidav posted:

Is there a GST on vintage Nazi weapons or do I have to buy that online too?

You just need to classify it as an incontinence product.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:50

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

hooman posted:

Comedy is Andrew Bolt getting glitter bombed.

Comedy is Andrew Bolt getting glitter bombed and then lionising himself as a tough guy. His ego was so jacked by this he's auctioning off the glitter suit as memorabilia of "The Battle of Lygon Street". To his credit, morons are actually paying thousands for it.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:53

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

hooman posted:

You just need to classify it as an impotence product.

Viagra etc don't get GST.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:56

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

Except that the other negotiating party gets into power as well.

I get that there were practical reasons behind it and this is maybe the best the GST deal was going to get. But I still think a GST with exceptions is a pretty dumb idea in principle. The very existence of exceptions undermines the stated purpose of being an undodgeable tax and admits its inherent problems of hitting poor people overly harshly. It's just such a useless compromised thing as it stands now. Was it a campaign promise for the Libs or something and that's why they cared so much to get it even in the compromised state? I only vaguely remember the politics around it. The biggest thing I remember from the Libs is being mad over tradies doing under the table deals to dodge income tax.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:57

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

snoremac posted:

Comedy is Andrew Bolt getting glitter bombed and then lionising himself as a tough guy. His ego was so jacked by this he's auctioning off the glitter suit as memorabilia of "The Battle of Lygon Street". To his credit, morons are actually paying thousands for it.

More to this point, it's strange that Bolt's book was a total flop and yet his fans kept posting photos of it near landmarks all around the world (Bolt used this to promote the book on his blog). Does he have a really dedicated bunch of rich fans? Or were the miserable book sale numbers a fabrication of the totalitarian Left?

# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:01

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Futuresight posted:

Except that the other negotiating party gets into power as well.

I get that there were practical reasons behind it and this is maybe the best the GST deal was going to get. But I still think a GST with exceptions is a pretty dumb idea in principle. The very existence of exceptions undermines the stated purpose of being an undodgeable tax and admits its inherent problems of hitting poor people overly harshly. It's just such a useless compromised thing as it stands now. Was it a campaign promise for the Libs or something and that's why they cared so much to get it even in the compromised state? I only vaguely remember the politics around it. The biggest thing I remember from the Libs is being mad over tradies doing under the table deals to dodge income tax.

It was a promise that they wouldn't do a gst but they had such a raging loving bone on for it that they did it anyway. The libs were the ones that mooted exceptions originally, but that was simply a way to get it done and still look like human beings.

You're also right, one of their big arguments was curtailing tax avoidance on services because it's impossible to say "you pay cash I do good price" with a GST in effect :downs:

# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:02

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

JBP posted:

It was a promise that they wouldn't do a gst but they had such a raging loving bone on for it that they did it anyway.

To be fair to Howard, he actually did go to an election saying that he had changed his mind on the GST and would bring it in if re-elected.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:07

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Yeah the 1998 election was as close to a referendum on the GST as you'd get under our system.

# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:12

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

What I mean is they never gave up the GST dream after Dr John got dead to Keating. Anyone that thought we would never ever have a GST was delusional.

e: it's also a testament to the liberals doing whatever they want by waiting for the ALP to run out of steam with the electorate. Howard basically went "I'm a good guy, no GST" to "GST now" in two years before the electorate could get over their hatred of Paul Keating's use of big words and general attitude.

JBP fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jun 19, 2017

# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:19