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Concerned Citizen posted:yes it would be awful if instead of spending money on a sign with the candidate's name on them, you instead endeavored to actually speak to that voter about your candidate Wh... why not both?
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Wh... why not both? if you have the ability to do everything you want to do, sure go put out some yard signs. if you are operating with a scarcity of time and resources, as most campaigns are, then yard signs are last on the list of things to do. except, of course, doing the minimum necessary in that category so people leave you alone about yard signs
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Concerned Citizen posted:if you have the ability to do everything you want to do, sure go put out some yard signs. if you are operating with a scarcity of time and resources, as most campaigns are, then yard signs are last on the list of things to do. except, of course, doing the minimum necessary in that category so people leave you alone about yard signs Oh for sure, the Clinton Campaign was short on funds that was a great call
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Oh for sure, the Clinton Campaign was short on funds that was a great call yes well the clinton campaign probably should have had some signs, just so people would shut up about them. but it had no material impact on the election either way, it just antagonized annoying people who weren't going to be useful anyway. i usually find the people who complain the most about yard signs are also the ones who are always mysteriously too busy to help put them up
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes well the clinton campaign probably should have had some signs, just so people would shut up about them. but it had no material impact on the election either way, it just antagonized Of course, the computer told them beep boop no impact
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Hmm I wonder if a Clinton lawn sign in a yard would indicate to a ground team they could skip that house and thus cover more ground liable to win them votes. Nah, that is nonsense, the TRS-80 we hooked up says lawn signs are worthless
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Of course, the computer told them beep boop no impact idk somehow i doubt the people of michigan were lacking on opportunities to see hillary clinton's logo maybe she could have put it on a blimp? that's like a flying yard sign, if you think about it
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Jun 19, 2017 18:09
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"Time is not a finite resource" says bad dem campaigns
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Hmm I wonder if a Clinton lawn sign in a yard would indicate to a ground team they could skip that house and thus cover more ground liable to win them votes. no, that's not how it works. and you'd even be surprised to learn that many people who put up yard signs fail to vote on election day
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Jun 19, 2017 18:10
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yard signs win elections
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Serf posted:yard signs win elections triggered
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Concerned Citizen posted:no, that's not how it works. and you'd even be surprised to learn that many people who put up yard signs fail to vote on election day Oh but bothering them will make them vote?
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Oh but bothering them will make them vote? yes, actually
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Concerned Citizen posted:triggered hmm problematic
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes, actually oh okay
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Serf posted:yard signs win elections Should have run a yard sign, more charisma. Stands up straight and doesn't collapse too.
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Concerned Citizen posted:no, that's not how it works. and you'd even be surprised to learn that many people who put up yard signs fail to vote on election day the one paper that drove that particular campaign blunder said posted:“[I]t appears that signs typically have a modest effect on advertising candidates’ vote shares — an effect that is probably greater than zero but unlikely to be large enough to alter the outcome of a contest that would otherwise be decided by more than a few percentage points.” Good thing the race wasn't within a few percentage points in any key states
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:oh okay feel free to check out this book for a summary of some of the (older) public research that founded field practices used today by campaigns
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where did you find a search engine that works
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Concerned Citizen posted:feel free to check out this book for a summary of some of the (older) public research that founded field practices used today by campaigns cool i will check out this 13 year old book with hot modern strategies
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I want a yard sign about yard signs
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ooh ooh do primary salt next
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Trabisnikof posted:Good thing the race wasn't within a few percentage points in any key states the best part is the bit of that paper that says the impact from the part of the experiment where they placed signs in yards ended up being zero. there's actually no harm at all in putting up signs for races that are smaller and more likely to lack name recognition for a candidate, but in the case where recognition is universal it's not particularly useful frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:cool i will check out this 13 year old book with hot modern strategies as it turns out, the book is still pretty accurate despite piles of additional research. they pretty much nailed it.
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imagine if migf was allowed to post in the thread rn too
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zegermans posted:where did you find a search engine that works the sa search function is actually pretty decent
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Concerned Citizen posted:
Oh no doubt given the wave of victories ushered in by Dems
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Oh no doubt given the wave of victories ushered in by Dems well you wanted to know if door-to-door canvassing works ("bothering people"), and it turns out that in fact it does so 
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:ooh ooh do primary salt next  not quite at yard sign levels
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paranoid randroid posted:literally the most productive use of time in the hole war fixed
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Concerned Citizen posted:well you wanted to know if door-to-door canvassing works ("bothering people"), and it turns out that in fact it does so For sure, the Trump ground game was just SO STRONG
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:"Time is not a finite resource" says bad dem campaigns time is the fire in which we vote
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:For sure, the Trump ground game was just SO STRONG gop depends pretty heavily on extraparty institutions like the NRA and rightwing evangelical churches. Movement Conservatism is its own ground game
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got any sevens posted:time is the fire in which we vote Hillary Clinton struggling against Chekov "I want to go back! I want to go back! To before the election!"
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:For sure, the Trump ground game was just SO STRONG yes i don't think anyone claims field is a silver bullet that will win every election
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes i don't think anyone claims field is a silver bullet that will win every election I wonder if many parts, working together would work? Not lawn signs though, those are useless
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/876837278194315264
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:I wonder if many parts, working together would work? agreed
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goddamned freakaen obstructionists!!!111 
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i'm concerned citizen and unless you give senate dems unceasing bellyrubs/dark money funding for doing their jobs, they'll feel unappreciated and will allow healthcare to be stripped away from millions of citizens. and maybe if they wanted their healthcare, they could have been several thousand voters in the rust belt.
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