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grack posted:It's sad and all but I'm honestly surprised that more teams don't do this. The NFL and MLB, for example, are absolutely ruthless about getting rid of "fan favourites" when they can no longer meaningfully contribute or are overpriced.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:NHL rosters have more room for meh players though because of how bad most 4th lines and 7th dmen are. NFL and MLB rosters don't really have room to use guys in the same way. The way the game is evolving I'm not sure how true this is any more, moreso for forwards than defensemen. There's been a massive shift towards fast checking forward 3rd/4th lines rather than plugs. Spring Break My Heart posted:They got rid of Doan basically as soon as he wasn't good any more. This is exactly what I meant when I said I'm surprised more teams don't do this? 
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grack posted:It's sad and all but I'm honestly surprised that more teams don't do this. The NFL and MLB, for example, are absolutely ruthless about getting rid of "fan favourites" when they can no longer meaningfully contribute or are overpriced. I'm just surprised that Arizona couldn't flip him for a late pick or something at the deadline so he could chase a cup.
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He had an NMC
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doan's probably gonna have to agree to PK, not be on the PP, not be paid well, and be on the 4th line, so it will be interesting to see where he goes and how he fits in. he hasn't been the best player on the team in years and he was still the captain, so he did better than dustin brown at least. also, i don't really think he's been done dirty in any way here. he's not getting cut, free agency hasn't started, and i'm assuming we're retiring his number when he's done
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Jun 19, 2017 21:18
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shane doan, the most beloved 2nd-liner who has never won anything
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grack posted:This is exactly what I meant when I said I'm surprised more teams don't do this?
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Cutting out Doan now also avoids awkwardness of trading or sending down the captain mid-season.
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jagrs never won a cup in the Bettman Era, at least
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:He had an NMC Yes, but I'm sure if Chayka said "Chicago are interested in you, do you want to go and try and win a cup there this year? We won't be re-signing you," he'd agree to a trade.
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Twin Cinema posted:Just saw that Ryan Strome isn't protected, and I haven't seen anyone mention it. Is there no hope left for him? He's had two weak seasons in a row after a very strong 2014-2015 year. Inconsistent effort and constant benchings under Capuano, although he, much like every other young Isles player, looked much better when Capuano was canned and Weight took over. Still has the high hockey IQ that he showed in that 50 point season but he's regressed in a lot of areas since. I don't think he has that first line upside anymore, but if it were possible I'd like to see him with a full season under Weight before completely writing him off.
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re: shane doan they're not competitive and perennially struggle to hit the cap floor, so i dont really see why they cant extend doans contract.
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ThinkTank posted:Yes, but I'm sure if Chayka said "Chicago are interested in you, do you want to go and try and win a cup there this year? We won't be re-signing you," he'd agree to a trade. I'm not sure that's true.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I'm not sure that's true. quote:Arizona Coyotes captain Shane Doan said Monday he has not been asked to waive his no-movement clause but didn't rule out agreeing to do so before the NHL Trade Deadline. https://www.nhl.com/news/coyotes-doan-open-to-trade-to-contender/c-285745978
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Why would an expansion team want a 3x Stanley Cup winning goalie and Face of the Franchise type player who is still in his prime and who is also universally adored by everyone except cynical goons? Weird 
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Weird that when they're trying to unload him, all of PAS suddenly loves MAF.
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i never knew MAF was universally adored or a franchise player
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Every team does that? Tell that to LA Gio posted:i never knew MAF was universally adored Credit where credit is due, Fleury absolutely stole the Washington series and was pretty good against Columbus as well.
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Jordan7hm posted:Mrazek's horrible no good very bad season was basically the same as MAF's. He's a good young goalie on a good contract. The worst part is that he'll probably be a better than average goalie given away for nothing. I couldn't care less if he actually became good, in fact I hope he does, same with Marchenko, because by the time this team isn't poo poo they'll be well past their primes so who cares good luck. It's definitely more that latter part of your last sentence where Holland continues to allow players with trade value walk away for nothing and just because they flame out doesn't make him right. Especially not when you fail to gain more assets and spend all the money you save on giving plugs 7 year loving contracts. I'm convinced Mrazek won't amount to anything purely because it'll give the Holland-stans more ammo and he'll literally be GM until he dies e: lol @ u if you don't know that Doan will be on a plane to Detroit within the first 20 minutes of the FA period Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Suspicious posted:Weird that when they're trying to unload him, all of PAS suddenly loves MAF. The "lol Fleury" stuff is amplified here more than anywhere, online or off, and has been getting run into the ground for like 5 years now
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Also, Fluery is the longest tenured Pittsburgh Penguin and most definitely was a franchise player here in Pittsburgh.
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I mean that basically says to me he wouldn't go.
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Teemu Pokemon posted:
He can play with Vanek who apparently Detroit is interested in again.
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Suspicious posted:Weird that when they're trying to unload him, all of PAS suddenly loves MAF. I also conflate salary cap realities for wanting to get rid of a bad player
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Teemu Pokemon posted:e: lol @ u if you don't know that Doan will be on a plane to Detroit within the first 20 minutes of the FA period huh, there are no direct flights from PHX to MTL? i guess a layover in detroit ain't so bad
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:I also conflate salary cap realities for wanting to get rid of a bad player lmao as if PAS' nonstop bellyaching about MAF had anything to do with his cap hit.
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Fleury hasn't been the MAFster in a few years at least. Since changing goalie coaches I guess. I don't think it's ever been a question he's an awesome dude and a great teammate.
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hifi posted:yes, but they can also talk to him right now which gives them a head start. vegas signing a ufa now would be stupid because players are like a week away from free agency so they aren't getting a discount and they lose their pick if they sign him lol if you think there's a single 'asset' available in Edmonton worth taking
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Suspicious posted:lmao as if PAS' nonstop bellyaching about MAF had anything to do with his cap hit. What's a PAS
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Suspicious posted:Weird that when they're trying to unload him, all of PAS suddenly loves MAF. it's exactly the opposite of weird that there are good feelings for MAF right now, since he's very likely not going to be on the pens anymore. hard to hate on such a lovable doof when you don't have to worry about more beachball gifs. and the fact that his hot streak was almost singlehandedly responsible for getting the pens into the ECF doesn't hurt either
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Teemu Pokemon posted:
e: though what would it hurt to sign him to a one year deal then flip him for literally anything at the deadline? or am i not thinking about this right
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I think the crazy Penguins vs Flyers series from 2012 will always be remembered fondly here, and Fleury didn't do well in that series. He's had that rep here ever since. I don't think it has to be one or the other, Fleury is just a goalie capable of playing both great and terrible, so he's streaky. Honestly, pretty similar to Rinne.
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streaky is another word for "mediocre" also rinne is way better than fleury.
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Weren't the Rangers rumored to be after Doan at the deadline?
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Gio posted:streaky is another word for "mediocre" 
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Matt Zerella posted:Weren't the Rangers rumored to be after Doan at the deadline? I think brooks has been trotting that every trade deadline for the past 5 years
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Is Vegas going to get their own AHL team? I haven't seen anything about that
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bizarre deformity posted:Is Vegas going to get their own AHL team? I haven't seen anything about that Chicago Wolves
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Chicago Wolves Were they unaffiliated before or did they steal the team from someone? I am not super familiar with who each team's farm team is.
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bizarre deformity posted:Were they unaffiliated before or did they steal the team from someone? I am not super familiar with who each team's farm team is.
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