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Lasher posted:Putting mney on her being an easily stunned, real fast Jason who has a unique way of killing her. This is what I'm expecting, all the Pam is actually a counsellor proposals seem like they would break down super easily if you were familiar with the people you are playing with or as the game shifts toward a long parade of Adam and buggsy.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Ok, so you are stating that Pamela is given a counselor's model. So all I have to do is know who chose which counselors, and I know who Pamela is right away, unless you force everyone to be choosing random counselors. This mean immediately the game turns into a posse to hunt her down. It's sounds like it'd work like the TF2 spy's disguise where you'd have the same model and name-over-your-head of another player, but presumably a bit smarter so you don't have two of the same people in the same place together.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:16
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I get that part 4 Jason isn't all that disimilar to part 3, but was that the only reason he's not in the game. I liked his black nails in that one. 
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Jun 19, 2017 21:17
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Again, this suffers from the fact that without a Jason actually walking around the map, this gets real easy to figure out real fast. Once a few minutes have gone by people have been meeting up, and there are walkies active, the first thing people will start asking is "seen Jason yet, is this a Pam map?" And as soon as that is figured out, everyone will stop doing normal escape gameplay and focus on figuring out who is the Pam, and killing her.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:18
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Got the game today, very first match I get to be Jason and even killed 5/8, the last being Tommy Jarvis who complains I was cheating because I morphed in front of his car, which caused them to swerve hard and wrap around a lamp post, subsequently getting grabbed and dickchopped.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:18
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I was wondering about something like "You start off as Pamela, but if you die you come back as a weaker Jason, coming from the water.".
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Ok, so you are stating that Pamela is given a counselor's model. So all I have to do is know who chose which counselors, and I know who Pamela is right away, unless you force everyone to be choosing random counselors. This mean immediately the game turns into a posse to hunt her down. Nope. You're Woodrow. Playing as Chad. On your loadout screen you see living players and Huff is Jason. I'm Hodor, playing as Pam. Duster is Lachappa. Tinfoil is Tiffany. When I, Pam, approach you, I have the look of Duster. His Lachappa. His call sign over his head. If you ask "Hey Duster, are you Pam" and get no response, you know that either the person walking up to you is Duster and Pam hit her radio blocking power, or I'm Pam. But you also saw that Huff was Jason in the player list. So what do you do since you can't confirm that this guy who looks like Duster is maybe Pam? Run? Potentially teamkill? I'm Pam. I can be anyone or no one. Whatcha gonna do since you can't know for sure?
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drat Snatch Duster hosed up in a PYF thread and got nailed with a 30 day probation. Someone else will have to make sure to keep us updated on his Friday the 13th exploits.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:22
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They'd also have to change up the intro to not have the killer shown anymore, since it would give away what type of killer you'd be facing.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:23
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Hockles posted:They'd also have to change up the intro to not have the killer shown anymore, since it would give away what type of killer you'd be facing. gently caress that the game doesn't truly begin until you see Chad react to Generic McDeadguy's murder. The full viewing of the murder is essential.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:25
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Nope. Yes, yes you are giving Pam a counselor model. So what happens if I am next to Duster when we see you? Is it just some other counselor? What if 3 of us are together? 4? This breaks down real easily, since yeah, they moment he does not respond, I'm running and assuming he is Pam, and will warn everyone else this is a Pam map.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Nope.
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Hockles posted:They'd also have to change up the intro to not have the killer shown anymore, since it would give away what type of killer you'd be facing. Gotcha covered. It shows the Jason intro. You can see the player list. The player you think is Jason is muted. If that player approaches you, as a counselor, because they are one, you see them wearing the skin that the Pam chose. So you think Dave is Jason, Dave appears as Steve's Chad, Steve is Pam, Pam looks like Dave's Adam. You can't guess because the menu lies, you think it's Jason, and on your screen you only see counselors wearing character bodies matching the menu list.
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The original movie is basically a giallo that takes place at a summer camp, and because of that its gonna be super tough to adapt to a video game. The whole point of a giallo is that the killer is a mystery, the victims get knocked off one by one and even if the audience knows who the killer is the characters definitely don't until the very end. Not the same at all as what Friday the 13th eventually became, which is kids being mercilessly hunted down by Jason. Much different dynamic and it would change the entire game, so I find it hard to believe they'll do anything like that. At most I'd maybe expect a Pamela character who acts exactly like Jason except she has less strength and more stealth. All these ideas are nice but seem way to involves to be realistic.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:30
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Alternatively, perhaps the game drops showing who everyone's playing as - maybe just for Pam matches, maybe for everyone. That's always struck me as an odd design choice.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:32
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The last 3 people to comment missed that communication is dead. It's very simple. Your screen shows Pam as not-pam. You can't communicate. You're told by the game there's a Jason. If the real Pam can get close enough to where they can talk withouta walkie, they're close enough to kill. If you evade, all you can do is say it's Pam, not Jason. But because it's a Pam game, you still will never see the Pam as Pam until it's way too late. The funny part is that this is ridiculously simple to execute if you think about it. Pam just looks like a living character and the menu lies about who is Jason. It would take a weekend to write the code for Pam. The Anime Liker fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 21:34
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I don't think there's any rules you can come up with that will avoid tipping people off to the fact that it's a Pam game, and therefore sparking an all-out TK-fest. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing...
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Jun 19, 2017 21:37
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The only way they can make this work is by creating a Pam specific map that has specific rules to allow Pam to easily hide and create situations akin to the movie, and steal from other "stealth" kills Jason uses. For example, you force some of the repair options to happen in cabins, and they are multiple stage operations, and Pam gets a warning each phase of the operation so she can hide for the next one. She can teleport into cabin hiding places and surprise counselors there, etc. The inherent problem is there is no real way to recreate a movie about an elderly woman sneakily killing some teens without just giving her superpowers, or drastically corralling the players in order to shepherd them into potential kill zones. The game as it is works because you cannot kill Jason, only stun him. This recreates the movies pretty well, or at least the feeling of them.
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Basebf555 posted:I don't think there's any rules you can come up with that will avoid tipping people off to the fact that it's a Pam game, and therefore sparking an all-out TK-fest. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing... That's the fun. No one could know unless they meet up in a gang of 8 and start trying to solve the riddle of who is Pam based on voice recognition.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:40
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Or, You could just have Pam in a Pam intro and a visible Pam killing people as Pam, but Pam controls like a counselor.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:44
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:The last 3 people to comment missed that communication is dead. So again, how is it determining which model the Pam is using? I get the idea that the game lies and shows player C another counselor with another player's nameplate to lie to them. How does this work if player C is standing next to the counselor Pam is mimicking? Do both counselor's see different players approaching them? Do they still see the same fake counselor, despite the real one being right there and blowing Pam's cover?
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This is closer to what I would expect, except instead of the stuff about player dots. Using the same spotting rules as Jason but instead showing a counselor dot instead of Jason's map icon would probably work better; this way the dot isn't always in the screen and promotes the ambush hit and run style better. Edit: or yes just copy and paste tf2 spy into the game, I would absolutely love that, haha Lastdancer fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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If you see two Dusters, what do you do? Teamkill duster? Run from Hodor? Cuz if you both escape all you can tell others is SOMEONE is Pam, because I don't look like Duster to them, and it's awful suspicious that you ran towards people screaming about Pam, who could look like you to them.
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Sticky Nate posted:I want a Manhattan map Ideally, they hype a Manhattan map and then only 10% of the map is actually urban NYC. I don't have this game yet -- one question: I often like to play games w/o a mic but I don't really want to gently caress up the game for others. Is it common for people to play without a mic? I know that almost all games are better with a mic, but I'm sorry: I'm old and I don't have fun getting screeched at by teenagers or having music from anime blasted into my ears at midnight (unless it's done in a hilarious way which is almost never).
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InfiniteZero posted:Ideally, they hype a Manhattan map and then only 10% of the map is actually urban NYC. IIRC during the kickstarter, that's what they advertised as a Manhattan map - that it would be focused on Central Park.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:The last 3 people to comment missed that communication is dead. You're acting like the only form of communication is walkie talkies, unless you're seriously suggesting pam magically gets rid of proximity chat. The proximity chat range is large enough to go between houses, it's not nearly close enough for kills. A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you see two Dusters, what do you do? Teamkill duster? Run from Hodor? If there's 2 dusters visible one of them is probably about 3 seconds from beating the poo poo out of the other one. It's going to be apparent real quick. imweasel09 fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you see two Dusters, what do you do? Teamkill duster? Run from Hodor? Just realized that, say the Double Duster event happened at Stillwater. When Woodrow saw Hodor as Duster, he could run screaming to the Higgins barn, yelling about Pam, but because HodorPam teleported to the barn Hodor now looks like Tinfoil. "Oh thank God! Tinfoil! Pam was just back there. There were two Dusters!" Hodor as Tinfoil as secret Pam: Oh no! *stab*
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Jun 19, 2017 22:00
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Obviously they're only one team and we can shout ideas off forever, BUT hypothetically (and if I won the lottery) there's be a boat level too.
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Cythereal posted:IIRC during the kickstarter, that's what they advertised as a Manhattan map - that it would be focused on Central Park. I was making a joke about the movie. Hardly any of it actually takes place in Manhattan. Back in the day, people were pissed. More importantly: can I play w/o using voice all the time?
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imweasel09 posted:You're acting like the only form of communication is walkie talkies, unless you're seriously suggesting pam magically gets rid of proximity chat. The proximity chat range is large enough to go between houses, it's not nearly close enough for kills. Already covered that. Is the silent person just out of earshot? Because if they're in ear shot they're close enough to run up and kill you because Pam is as fast as a counselor. Plus, based on my voice, you can't tell if I'm Pam or not. I can tell you I saw Jason. If you ran, away and they're not Pam, you're giving yourself away to Pam, or potentially Jason depending on whether or not you've figured out if the killer is Pam yet. Trust me. It's airtight on all fronts, people just keep missing something already covered.
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InfiniteZero posted:More importantly: can I play w/o using voice all the time? You can, lots of people play without a mic. Or they have a mic and don't speak English. Just be prepared to be kicked from private lobbies, they are quite particular about it.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Just be prepared to be kicked from private lobbies, they are quite particular about it. I'm fine with that and completely understand. Are there hotkeys for communication or anything like that (like how in Overwatch you can send basic information to teammates like "need healing" with a keypress)? That might be handy.
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InfiniteZero posted:I'm fine with that and completely understand. Are there hotkeys for communication or anything like that (like how in Overwatch you can send basic information to teammates like "need healing" with a keypress)? That might be handy. Nope, T is push to talk if you have it enabled. You can't even rebind keys.
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No. You kind of have to get creative with communicating with mutes/non english speakers. Like dropping the keys at your feet them picking them right back up again to show you've got them and the likes.
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just make pam a music-less, fast moving killer that has better ranged damage but can be killed much more easily
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Tomahawk posted:just make pam a music-less, fast moving killer that has better ranged damage but can be killed much more easily I love the shell game idea, but this is probably simpler all around for people who wouldn't get into the cloak and dagger aspect when playing as Pam. Dumb pubbies could easily pickup and play Pam if she controlled like a counselor but had the kill selection. Chases would be fun, too. A fast Pam running down Lachappa's fatass would be great. But a bold Lachappa could take her down with a machete.
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WHY DON'T PEOPLE BURST THROUGH DOORS WHEN THEY HAVE RAGE MODE? Not complaining because it make it easier to avoid them, but pop them drat doors, dudes.
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Lastdancer posted:I like the concept behind the idea, it's just that you would get maybe 2 or 3 games out of it before everyone just groups up to go Pamela hunting. The distractions and ambush setups would have to be pretty powerful otherwise I'm not sure how you would counter an organized mob as the Pamela you've described. Probably the best option would be to do what was suggested and disguise whether it's Pamela or Jason at first, so nobody realizes it's Pamela until they've spotted her or gone too long without anyone noticing a Jason killing them. One other option would be to have things like bushes added to the maps that she could hide in, similar to cabinets or outhouses. By combining numerous hiding places with additional stealth (the ability to crouch and sneak and not having music play when she's nearby), she could easily hide even in "plain sight" along the path and spring out when someone's back is turned. You'd likely also want to cut down on the number of bladed weapons so you can't get a whole pack of roaming counselors with machetes, and give her some short invincibility time after being knocked down where she could run or even attack someone without being stunned again, to discourage just standing over her and beating her for 20 minutes until the match times out.
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MORE GOON GAMES Part 9. In Which Duster Is Jason (And Burk Is A Hood Ornament) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmyA-9g0Fdk Part 10. In Which Clayren Makes A Mistake (And Doesn't Recover) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0RzPw-G10 Part 11. In Which Fakiu Accomplishes Little (And Burk Even Less) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwL7P_G9A0 Part 12. In Which Duster Doesn't Shoot Burk (But Likely Wanted To) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow7NFFOBQpM Part 13. In Which Duster Dusts (And Terry Screams) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOXWm9AvETE
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Lasher posted:No. You kind of have to get creative with communicating with mutes/non english speakers. Like dropping the keys at your feet them picking them right back up again to show you've got them and the likes. The flashlight is good for getting people's attention. If you flick it on and off a bunch of times right in their face they know to follow you as if you were Lassie.
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