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TildeATH posted:Indonesia is uninhabitable at 3.7C? These temperatures are not immediately deadly, they just tend to cause significant excess deaths. Much like how 70 000 excess people died during the 2003 heat wave in Europe. Not everyone died.
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TildeATH posted:Indonesia is uninhabitable at 3.7C? Depends on your threshold for "uninhabitable" but 350 days a year of what has in the past proven deadly (the map quoted is integrated with the site https://maps.esri.com/globalriskofdeadlyheat/ that you can play with) is uh... inimical to habitation, yes. If you hit "About" on that website you can see the methodology by which they derive "deadly". As Flowers says it's just "in the past, people have died a lot at these conditions".
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TildeATH posted:Indonesia is uninhabitable at 3.7C? For all those lazy posters, this is their definition of deadly 
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Rastor posted:Humans have a wide variety of technological solutions, whole lotta other species are going extinct A whole fuckton of humans will be joining those extinct species.
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Rastor posted:Humans have a wide variety of technological solutions, whole lotta other species are going extinct There's no practical technical solution to heat/humidity going past the human heat transfer threshold in a population center. If going outside without air conditioning means entering a literally unlivable environment whenever there's a heat wave, then the town/city in question is simply going to disappear.
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Conspiratiorist posted:There's no practical technical solution to heat/humidity going past the human heat transfer threshold in a population center. If going outside without air conditioning means entering a literally unlivable environment whenever there's a heat wave, then the town/city in question is simply going to disappear. There are however behavioral responses that mitigate harm. Modern regions exposed to seasonally dangerous average temperatures shift activity away from noon and towards nighttime. This is not theoretical. In places like Iraq it is already the status quo in summer. If minimum temperatures were to shift towards something unlivable now then you'd have a problem.
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I burned some dead leaves in my backyard this past weekend. Doing my part! 
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Rastor posted:Humans have a wide variety of technological solutions, whole lotta other species are going extinct Even ferns are starting to die off around seattle, according to a blurb I saw in the paper today.
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Squalid posted:There are however behavioral responses that mitigate harm. Modern regions exposed to seasonally dangerous average temperatures shift activity away from noon and towards nighttime. I've been to the tropics with high humidity 34°C at night. Shifting that a couple degrees upwards is exactly the problem I'm talking about.
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Conspiratiorist posted:I've been to the tropics with high humidity 34°C at night. I was going to say something skeptical but then I looked at the climate in Dallol, Ethiopia, the place with the highest average temperature, and their average lows in July are 31.8 C so, yeah not much room for that to increase safely.
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Conspiratiorist posted:There's no practical technical solution to heat/humidity going past the human heat transfer threshold in a population center. If going outside without air conditioning means entering a literally unlivable environment whenever there's a heat wave, then the town/city in question is simply going to disappear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE
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This is not great... and it's still mostly due to Antarctic sea ice, as the Arctic still ranked 4th yesterday in sea ice extent. Unlike last year, this year has not once been within 2 sigma (it did get really close the second week of May):
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The study linked up-thread is interesting, they applied a machine learning technique (SVM) on a set of temperature/rH input data for a set of cities labelled by whether people died from heatwaves. Incidence of heatwave casualties, not magnitude so people pointing at red zones as death zones are overstating what the authors are pointing out. Also, the training set is almost entirely from European and NA cities which makes generalization to other regions questionable, and the marking of wide swathes of the subtropics red as of 2010.
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What do you experts think about the climate leadership council's proposal on tax & dividend? Good idea? Politically feasible? Sounds like it is developing a diverse group of supporters although the cheeto in chief would probably never get behind it.
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spf3million posted:What do you experts think about the climate leadership council's proposal on tax & dividend? Good idea? Politically feasible? Sounds like it is developing a diverse group of supporters although the cheeto in chief would probably never get behind it. https://www.clcouncil.org/founding-members/ yeah here's an idea this group will never do anything whatsoever to change because they all make/made billions
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spf3million posted:What do you experts think about the climate leadership council's proposal on tax & dividend? Good idea? Politically feasible? Sounds like it is developing a diverse group of supporters although the cheeto in chief would probably never get behind it. It's this part that kind of gives the game away: quote:4. SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY ROLLBACK It's literally an attempt to bribe the American public into rolling back industry regulations disguised as a climate plan. Carbon taxes are worth discussing (although they have serious problems if they're implemented on a nation-by-nation basis), but the Climate Leadership Council's plan is about what you'd expect. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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If you have never experienced 50+ degrees Celsius in either a dry or wet heat, it's probably hard to imagine why that is deadly. Dry, you cannot enter the sun, it is like someone is running a blowtorch across your skin and the air itself is painful to breathe. Wet, it is the same, but your body also cannot use evaporative cooling to regulate temperature. The difference between 45/ish and 50 degrees is unfathomable. Dry heat is uncomfortable and dangerous, wet heat kills. The red places of that map have a high relative humidity in their climate, put the two together. It is not sustainable for human life to survive in those conditions without modern conveniences, a shift to that climate is one of the major reasons why the cradle of civilization is a blasted wasteland now. Rime fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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The only solution is mass suicide (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The status quo is mass suicide
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Buy stock in companies who formerly produced landmines and still have the tooling, pretty much.
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Rime posted:Buy stock in companies who formerly produced landmines and still have the tooling, pretty much. In the grim, dark future Lady Di collectible plates will be our currency 
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Thanks for all the very informative posts guys. We've finally obtained our Canadian PR visas and are landing next month. The information I've read in this thread and in other places has played a pretty large role in our decision to make sure we have a future outside of a developing country. Sad thing is people here (Brazil) would think I'm nuts if I told them that climate change was that important of a factor in our decision. Even here in the capital, where we're going into our second year of weekly water rationing. There's just no way the governments down here are prepared for what's coming.
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Even at 100-110 dry heat, air conditioning really struggles and also leads to more a/c burning more fuel. hooray!
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cheese eats mouse posted:Even at 100-110 dry heat, air conditioning really struggles and also leads to more a/c burning more fuel. hooray! No one outside of the US understands your non SI units.
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BattleMoose posted:No one outside of the US understands your non SI units. 43.33c I say chaps, it feels like forty-three point three three repeating degrees today.
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Choose! Choose the form of the Destructor! https://twitter.com/ashonashs2/status/877221612877230082
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Looks like a kettle to me.
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Fangz posted:Choose! Choose the form of the Destructor! I'd prefer a dog iceberg
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Hippo about to eat you.
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Feds see Lake Mead levels to be 20-feet lower in 2019 https://kdminer.com/news/2017/jun/18/feds-see-lake-mead-levels-be-20-feet-lower-2019/ Bad news for American Southwest quote:The sensational news about record-setting snowpack in the Sierra Nevada of California and “atmospheric rivers” delivering over 1,000 percent of normal winter rainfall to Big Sur has disguised a much less-than-sensational record of winter moisture elsewhere in the West, according to the Arizona Department of Water Resources. On top of that the less water in Lake Mead the lower the pressure of the water moving the turbines. Which means less electricity generated. The Hoover Dam will cease generating power at 950 feet.
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Yeah, RIP. It's not like Phoenix has been a byword for hubris for 30 years.
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah, RIP. Phoenix has a two-punch combo of seniors and pavement that will boil an egg that just never fails to disappoint.
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It's so hot in Phoenix that mailboxes are melting Paint on street signs too 
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enraged_camel posted:It's so hot in Phoenix that mailboxes are melting We need to ban things from melting, to stop the Obamocrat lie of climate change.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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enraged_camel posted:It's so hot in Phoenix that mailboxes are melting Related: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/23/arizona-heatwave-homeless-phoenix I can't imagine what happens if the power grid fails...
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xrunner posted:Related: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/23/arizona-heatwave-homeless-phoenix I can't imagine what happens if the power grid fails... Bunch of boomers might die?
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Phoenix was too hot a few days ago for planes to take off. Lol
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Mustached Demon posted:Bunch of boomers might die? 
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