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Stop trying to out-fishmech fishmech you fucks
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The goon criminal lives in a demographic where there is produce and if you want to dismiss individual culpability under capitalism that extends to the 1% you stupid idealist. The "goon criminal" as you describe him is doing his part to fight the system and help poor people. What are you doing?
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Jun 19, 2017 23:01
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Blut posted:The "goon criminal" as you describe him is doing his part to fight the system and help poor people. What are you doing? lol @ 'fighting the system', get a grip
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Jun 19, 2017 23:07
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Blut posted:The "goon criminal" as you describe him is doing his part to fight the system and help poor people. What are you doing?
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Jun 19, 2017 23:10
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I valiantly swapped the bar code on some electronics and saved 30 bucks. Some people may think I'm just a cheap jerk but I'm going against 'The Man' so all is forgiven.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:10
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Blut posted:The "goon criminal" as you describe him is doing his part to fight the system and help poor people. What are you doing? How's he helping poor people by stealing food, unless he's turning around and giving it to the poor? If you steal food when you can afford to buy food, you're increasing the cost of food for everyone and hurting the poor. It's probably not a huge increase, but it's not altruistic or good either.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:11
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folks, i think we can all agree crime is cool as hell. but please stop posting about it in the retail thread
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Jun 19, 2017 23:19
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theft bringing a socialist workers paradise isn't though, he can expand on that.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:22
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Heliogabalos posted:citation needed, I want the exact loving statute that exactly words this in no uncertain terms Heliogabalos posted:I used to be a teacher. lmao
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Jun 19, 2017 23:28
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holy poo poo gently caress can't amazon buy all american retail outlets today to stop this derail? that alone would propel it from the status of "moderately terrible company that may or may not be better than the companies it outcompetes" to "company that's so good it could be mistaken for a charity".
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Jun 19, 2017 23:41
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Sundae posted:I've discovered this one weird trick where, as long as I jiggle the back door lock correctly, I can get a bunch of food out of Heliogabalos' refrigerator whenever he leaves to go to the store. I just substitute a big pile of "nothing" for the "whatever" he has in his fridge, and it's all the same since nobody was there to see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xebSF8vRvZI
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Jun 19, 2017 23:46
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I am an older millennial and I get mad when someone fucks up my order, but I remain calm and politely ask them to get me the food I actually ordered. I can understand why a boomer would get hella upset, but they don't know about the current economy and a lot of people are forced into service jobs when they have no service skills or can't develop proper service skills, so lashing out at them doesn't help.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:51
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Another advantage of internet supermarkets - much less shoplifting (probably still some from the warehouse workers, but most places are pretty draconian about searching bags.)
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Jun 20, 2017 00:00
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Freakazoid_ posted:I am an older millennial and I get mad when someone fucks up my order, but I remain calm and politely ask them to get me the food I actually ordered. I find that politely informing them that it is wrong usually does the trick and is the key to a lot of things. Just don't be an rear end. Depending on the severity of the screw-up they'll probably comp something too without asking.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:04
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The only thing I can't stand is when service staff get unreasonably defensive about something and act like jerks. A mistake is a mistake, we all make them, it's not reasonable to get really pissed off about it or to act like you're infallible. Luckily, this happens extremely rarely in practice -- I can only remember two occasions when I thought "this fucker is being a jerk and will not get a tip." One was a waiter trying to argue that a faulted bottle of wine was not faulted*, and the other was a taxi driver that took us for a bunch of out-of-towners and took an unreasonably long and stupid route to get to our destination. * This was the one that pissed me off the most, because it's just A Thing That Happens. It's not the restaurant's fault, it's not the waiter's fault, it's not the winemaker's fault in general. The distributor, and later the producer, will eat it as a cost of doing business, and it's not like there's any point to lying about it, because we haven't actually drank the wine and we're not looking for a free bottle (just a replacement, non-faulted bottle, which will be paid for). So why bother challenging a customer on it? That's literally the whole point of pouring out a little bit of wine from the bottle for someone to taste before pouring for the whole table.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:11
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Baronjutter posted:Actually most theft is by capital from its employees My direct boss is a barely above minimum-wage hourly pay worker. Also a Republican, which is funny.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:20
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Raldikuk posted:I find that politely informing them that it is wrong usually does the trick and is the key to a lot of things. Just don't be an rear end. Depending on the severity of the screw-up they'll probably comp something too without asking. You're far more likely to get something free from the manager if you throw a tantrum. My experience was that upper middle class white people were the absolute worst demographic for that; they were very frequently whiny, entitled babies. If the slightest thing was wrong (they'd invent something if they had to) they'd complain to high heaven until they got something/everything free. Cranky people of any other demographic were just that; cranky. Give them their dinner and leave them in peace; that's all they wanted. Broke people were far more often the nicest and most patient. Either that or they were rabid white trash who would try to convince you that they can totally order two tiny adult dinners then get a poo poo load of kids' meals free. Yes, all 8 of them are totally under age 5 and it's reasonable to expect 10 meals for $15.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:25
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Here is some advice from reddit how to shoplift better: https://np.reddit.com/r/Shoplifting/comments/6dy7ll/if_someone_tries_to_stop_you_just_say_you_have_a/di69ypk/ LP are required to back off of a shoplifter if the lifter even says they have a gun (without actually showing one.) I have lifted three times this past week and my plan has been to just say "Leave me alone I have a gun." if anyone tries to stop me. Since I'm not actually pulling a gun out I can't be charged with it. If I get caught later on by the cops it's just a shoplifting case because LP can't prove I threatened them with a gun. They would have to have me recorded saying it, legally the court can't just take their word for it that I said anything. I'm not saying make a big scene obviously but to calmly say to anyone that tries to stop me "Hey man, I'm carrying a gun, back off." and just casually walk out. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 20, 2017 00:45
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If they stop you while you're trying to steal something just tell them you're travelling and you refuse to create joinder with them, it works every time.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:47
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Just be born rich then you can just steal the whole loving company and what can they do to you then?
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Jun 20, 2017 01:04
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PT6A posted:If they stop you while you're trying to steal something just tell them you're travelling and you refuse to create joinder with them, it works every time.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:11
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Gold fringed bar codes
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Jun 20, 2017 01:16
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Here is some advice from reddit how to shoplift better: This is akin to physically threatening people, IMO. Also your time being dragged into court. Is really worth it eh? Just dont get caught. If you are that desperate to steal that you have to threaten to carry a gun there are other problems in your life to worry about. Baronjutter posted:Gold fringed bar codes
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Jun 20, 2017 01:23
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The worst thing about Amazon is that you can't shoplift from them. Well, until they start using delivery drones. That will make shoplifting a lot more fun.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:37
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PT6A posted:How's he helping poor people by stealing food, unless he's turning around and giving it to the poor? If you steal food when you can afford to buy food, you're increasing the cost of food for everyone and hurting the poor. It's probably not a huge increase, but it's not altruistic or good either. yup, I follow local activists who post on behalf of struggling individuals and families in my area and occasonally microdonate where/when I can. This forum used to be a lot less judgemental - I remember an Ask/Tell thread where someone was a career shoplifter and no one gave a gently caress. Sorry that it went into derail but I don't apologize for the self-righteous morons who choked on their spit and went cluelessly ballistic. To address another topic, as I now have to occasionally deal with angry customers, those are the ones I never give in to. Invariably it's a white male, and without digressing into the tangent of entitlement, more appropriate is how we've been socialized to accept the validity of white male anger, when often the response in context is completely disproportionate (kind of like the response herein to the ethical propriety of lying to a machine). I'm more inclined now to ask the person to calm down, and if he doesn't immediately, ask him to leave. I'll save the discounts for poor/nice people.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:41
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Man, you're just not getting it. I don't give a gently caress if you steal a little bit or not, to be perfectly honest. Just don't pretend it's not theft, and don't pretend it's some kind of altruistic way of sticking it to the man. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 20, 2017 01:45
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Is everyone pearl clutching because it's in a retail store or something? Does the poor stealing from the rich become worse if you add in several insulating layers of business? Let him steal, who gives a gently caress
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Jun 20, 2017 01:50
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Gah this is frustrating to lurk. Its not so much that they steal as it is that they think it isn't stealing.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:04
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I do give a gently caress about people stealing just for shits and giggles. Shops factor shrinkage into their prices, not their profit margins.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:12
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BarbarianElephant posted:I do give a gently caress about people stealing just for shits and giggles. Shops factor shrinkage into their prices, not their profit margins. So why don't you blame the shops for this?
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Jun 20, 2017 02:21
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Stealing is bad, especially if you are a garbage person who does it recreationally instead of some poor orphan who is stealing a loaf of bread for survival or something.
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Paradoxish posted:So why don't you blame the shops for this? You are driving at some sort of gently caress capitalism message? Honestly I kinda like capitalism and the way most people get to eat regularly these days. But playing silly dick Communists seems to be all the rage round here though. Good luck with the purges and famines. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 20, 2017 02:26
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I'm more curious what location this is with "good" organic regs.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:27
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Stealing is bad, especially if you are a garbage person who does it recreationally instead of some poor orphan who is stealing a loaf of bread for survival or something. Plenty of homeless folks out there really need to steal to eat. I guess "gently caress the man" recreational hipster organic food thieves provide some cover for them. Maybe.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:28
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plenty of homeless folks out there really need to steal to eat. I guess "gently caress the man" recreational hipster organic food thieves provide some cover for them. Maybe. How would that even work?
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Jun 20, 2017 02:29
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BarbarianElephant posted:You are driving at some sort of gently caress capitalism message? Nope. What I'm saying is that there are basically three actors in this situation: 1) The thief, whose individual actions are largely meaningless unless we're talking about some kind of high volume serial shoplifter. The collective action of many thieves is obviously a problem. 2) The shop owners, who choose to pass the cost of theft onto consumers. 3) Non-thieving consumers, who can't really affect anything in this situation. If you're going to complain that theft costs you money, then blaming individual thieves makes no sense. I realize that's not satisfying. (this isn't intended to be a defense of shoplifting, which is obviously a lovely thing to do)
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Jun 20, 2017 02:30
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:How would that even work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VdZewCFyfg
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Jun 20, 2017 02:30
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Paradoxish posted:Nope. By this same logic, you can't be mad at anyone for who they vote for or donate money to because a single vote or donation never tipped an election.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:34
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:By this same logic, you can't be mad at anyone for who they vote for or donate money to because a single vote or donation never tipped an election. If you're mad at someone for being a Trump voter, it's not because their one vote helped him win, it's because it signifies they are an idiot. But yes, getting mad over individual votes is pointless.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:By this same logic, you can't be mad at anyone for who they vote for or donate money to because a single vote or donation never tipped an election. You're probably picking the wrong person to take this approach with, because I've got posts in the Trump thread arguing exactly this. I'm happy to call individuals out for their lovely opinions that lead them to vote for lovely people, but I don't think you can lay the blame for an election outcome on individual voters at all.
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