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General Battuta posted:"Soft earth, plowed deep" or whatever. Neither active nor agentic. Like doesn't her vag like suck the life out of some guy?
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kcroy posted:Like doesn't her vag like suck the life out of some guy? It ages him from pasty youth to callused man, while she goes from withered crone to young and firm. It's basically win-win
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savinhill posted:Just got past the part where Saubon and his crew climb up on that redoubt or whatever it was and go down fighting an endless swarm of Sranc, so fuckin metal that scene was, wish it could be memorialized in a Frazzetta painting yeah that scene can only be described, as you put it, as "Metal as gently caress". Aside from a Frazzetta painting, it should also be turned into an Iron Maiden song.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:It ages him from pasty youth to callused man, while she goes from withered crone to young and firm. It's basically win-win I'm gonna say going from 15 to 30 is a net loss for the guy.
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I would suggest that Bakker never considered female nonmen sorcerers in the context of the lore, because he killed them off at the very start and their role in the narrative was encapsulated in that death. Do we even hear about any female nonmen at all, outside of the womb-plague and how that loss destroyed the entire species? Should we? Would that progress the narrative? In what ways? Trying to write fantasy in the era of Tumblr derived opinions must be the most anxiety producing career. 
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I think the boatman's song is the only connection to a time when the nonmen still were mortal coming up in the text itself. There might have been something in the TTT Apendix.
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Rime posted:I would suggest that Bakker never considered female nonmen sorcerers in the context of the lore, because he killed them off at the very start and their role in the narrative was encapsulated in that death. Do we even hear about any female nonmen at all, outside of the womb-plague and how that loss destroyed the entire species? Should we? Would that progress the narrative? In what ways? He never bothers about the female characters cos he stuffed them all in a fridge thousands of years ago to make the men immortal and pissed off with the Inchoroi, pro defence here guys.
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Rime posted:I would suggest that Bakker never considered female nonmen sorcerers in the context of the lore, because he killed them off at the very start and their role in the narrative was encapsulated in that death. Do we even hear about any female nonmen at all, outside of the womb-plague and how that loss destroyed the entire species? Should we? Would that progress the narrative? In what ways? the mother fuckin tumblristas are at it again. ...
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Rime posted:I would suggest that Bakker never considered female nonmen sorcerers in the context of the lore, because he killed them off at the very start and their role in the narrative was encapsulated in that death. Do we even hear about any female nonmen at all, outside of the womb-plague and how that loss destroyed the entire species? Should we? Would that progress the narrative? In what ways? Ah those crazy Tumblr derived opinions!!! Read the books, you goof. There's a bunch of crazy poo poo going down before the womb plague, mostly around Arkfall. Any female Quya heroes would've been important there and probably pretty helpful too. This is one of those things like Kellhus comparing a glacier to a woman where it's just a hole in the story. (Did the nonmen grow Tall before immortality? Does the narrative around Arkfall suggest they have big ol giant men already? Do sranc grow Tall?  )This reminds me, I saw a theory suggesting the womb plague was genuinely meant to help and the inchoroi just hosed up, is there any strong textual support for that?
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amazon posted:This title will be released on July 25, 2017. what is this crap.
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Jun 29, 2017 01:01
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kcroy posted:what is this crap. EAMD (ever amazon manufactures delays)
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General Battuta posted:EAMD (ever amazon manufactures delays)
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So I finished the Unholy Consult. Since there are differing release dates for various countries, I will just say this : Not actual spoilers, but I'll do it anyways. gently caress the Dunyain. Nicely done, Bakker in making the ending anticlimactic. Apparently the Dunyain aren't as smart as they think.
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Prediction time: Kelhus is trying to turn the world into P-Zombies. Philosophical-zombies are indistinguishable from real humans, they react, they appear to have emotions,but they don't have any internal life, they lack consciousness. Cnauir describes the Skinspies as such - they exist only in the world, they are not bottomless pits to the Outside. When you seal the outside shut you're not just going to condemn the dead to oblivion as the Consult want, you're going to remove free-will from all the people left alive. All men are their own causes, they're all trying to come before each other. If Kellhus closes the Outside to everyone but himself then he'll become the only conscious being in the universe. This way he becomes the only causative agent in existence, grasping the absolute, unmoved soul etc etc.
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That would own, and change everything for the better, because any p-zombie behaviorally identical to its human counterpart will also include all that human's internal states, since consciousness is simply a calculation performed by dumb matter :smugscrambler: God if I lived in earwax I wouldn't want any qualia either.
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Cardiac posted:So I finished the Unholy Consult. 
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vortmax posted:Where are you that the book is out? It doesn't come out in the US until the 25th! Unless Amazon is lying to me...... Sweden. It is a mystery why, especially since I got the Great Ordeal one month later than US. Also, Great Ordeal was better.
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Bummer there's no amazon sweden to buy the kindle version from. You got a swedish ebook store or something we could check out?
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Bummer there's no amazon sweden to buy the kindle version from. You got a swedish ebook store or something we could check out? Sfbok.se, who apparently sell outside of Sweden for credit card payments . Only physical copies though.
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yeah the physical books have been leaking everywhere meanwhile us legit e-book purchasers have to wait <  >
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Cardiac posted:Sfbok.se, who apparently sell outside of Sweden for credit card payments . Only physical copies though. I thought about it but...$47 and nebulous shipping time? It looks like it might come out as early as the 5th in germany - will probably just get that ebook version.
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General Battuta posted:That would own, and change everything for the better, because any p-zombie behaviorally identical to its human counterpart will also include all that human's internal states, since consciousness is simply a calculation performed by dumb matter :smugscrambler: Strictly speaking probably yes, but Earwa has proof (or at least circumstantial evidence) of the soul, which means there's a meaningful ditincrion between "Input > Internal State > Output" and "Input > Output"
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Malcolm XML posted:yeah the physical books have been leaking everywhere That's just one of the differences between books and e-books v  v
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Yasss, It's here! Can't wait to dig into it.
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Mine arrives somewhere before the sixteenth. Curse you, 4th of July and your business day eating ways!!
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You can get it for Kindle now if you're willing to make up a UK address.
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Or a French one.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:You can get it for Kindle now if you're willing to make up a UK address. I thought the UK Kindle stuff required a UK payment card. Is that no longer the case? It was always much pickier than the rest of Europe for some reason.
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Rereading the books before starting The Unholy Consult, I realized I missed the first time that Cnaiur totally wanted to bang Proyas. Bakker posted:What need had he, man-killing Cnaiür, of a woman?
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Neurophage posted:Rereading the books before starting The Unholy Consult, I realized I missed the first time that Cnaiur totally wanted to bang Proyas. And when Conphas looks into Mattheus' eyes he thinks how pretty his sister must be. Whole lot of sexual repression going on.
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R. Scott Bakker & The Prince of Nothing: Better than Eating and loving a Radioactive Leper
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Even with a UK address it is telling me a release date on the 25th. Oh well. I'm an idiot fixed and now reading! US payment methods worked for me. FayGate fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Welp, my book came yesterday. Today I am finished. My first reaction: No let's put my thoughts into a mini-review: As I've heard, Bakker is planning to churn out even more books, so the story not ending shouldn't be a surprise, but still. Is writing good endings too hard for authors nowadays? The book ends in a cliffhanger so steep, it wraps around to itself, turning into a Möbius strip of suckage. But apart from the ending, the bad philosophy and the other Bakkerisms ("Death comes swirling down"), the book was actually good. It also was a rather painful experience to read, since it shows Bakker could be so much better if he just took his head out of his rear end, but oh well. Wishing for people to change is a fool's errand, so back to waiting how this turns out. Though at this point I'm almost sure Bakker tries to go down the road of Jordan and just write book after book after book, with the true ending always teasing us from afar. Anyway, I've read books from authors who actually could put a good end into their books, regardless of how they were placed in their insane fictitious universe time line, so Bakker really has no excuse. But! Reading The Unholy Consult is still worthwhile, just for the sheer madness Bakker puts in there. Most of it is stuff you probably already expected, but Bakker is throwing us some mean curveballs here. It's also incredible impressive how Bakker, at the very end of his second trilogy, decides to end it with a cliffhanger so brazen, it makes you feel physical pain. Now that's bravery. It's also completely insane, but that's Bakker for you. And because I don't want to write an entirely spoiler-free post, don't read this if you want the Unholy Consult unspoiled: Kellhus is killed by an evil child. The evil child becomes the No-God and kills everyone. The End.
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I haven't finished it yet, but I was under the impression that TUC was wrapping up this story arc but wasn't ever planned as the final book of the series.
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The Ninth Layer posted:I haven't finished it yet, but I was under the impression that TUC was wrapping up this story arc but wasn't ever planned as the final book of the series. Two more in a new series is what I have read. Makes sense with the ending of UC. Next series will end with Moenghus killing the NoGod with the Heron Spear, which the Scylvendi had found from sacking Cenei
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The Ninth Layer posted:I haven't finished it yet, but I was under the impression that TUC was wrapping up this story arc but wasn't ever planned as the final book of the series. Well, then either your impression was utterly wrong, or Bakker should look up the meaning of "wrapping up" in a dictionary, because holy hell was that a jarring ending.
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It's always been obvious that the Second Apocalypse is mirroring the First in its broad strokes. Kellhus' ancestor was not the ultimate victor.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:It's always been obvious that the Second Apocalypse is mirroring the First in its broad strokes. Kellhus' ancestor was not the ultimate victor. Achamian is Seswatha m/b?
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General Battuta posted:Achamian is Seswatha m/b? Always the most obvious bit. This cycle just reversed which guy banged the other's wife.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:It's always been obvious that the Second Apocalypse is mirroring the First in its broad strokes. Kellhus' ancestor was not the ultimate victor. Now that I'm reflecting on this, yes. You could say the Second Apocalypse has some similarities to how the first one went, if you ignore like 80% of what is happening. (Of course, I may be unfair since I've already read the Unholy Consult.)
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