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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Zephro posted:Speaking as a commuter on a line with an iffy mobile signal, train wifi is deeply poo poo. As in "won't even send you to the mandatory sign-in page 80% of the time" poo poo. I assume that train wifi is basically going over 4g anyway, there's no magical wired connection to the internet through the rails or anything. So the same signal problems that affect your phone as it's hurtling down the line through rural areas with no signal are also going to affect the wifi. Edit: 20th June 1940. Italy invades France and fucks it up. Much like May's Conservatives, they are the clown car of rightwing authoritarian regimes. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Vitamin P posted:"Tickets are affordable if you book in advance at off-peak times" is the she-shouldn't-have-been-dressed-like-that of train chat. It's a poxy little victim-blaming deflection that doesn't relate to the actual issue. comparing train ticket prices to rape is in poor taste
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Jun 20, 2017 11:57
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DeadButDelicious posted:Aww that just reminded me of how I used to go on holidays to Hemsby Pontins as a kid, then about 6 months ago I found all these urban exploration pictures of it abandoned and trashed and felt so
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Jun 20, 2017 11:59
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Pretty sure mum cried when she saw the pictures.
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coffeetable posted:Ok. This isn't a bait question: where do you think the money should come from? No-one is secretly making vast profits off the railways - margins are thin, prices are comparable with Europe, and excess profits go back to the gov - so presumably for the amount you pay to go down there either needs to be ~efficiency savings~, or the money needs to come from somewhere else. It provides wider economic benefits not directly passing through railway ticket offices.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:01
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I know that the U.K. has to make new deals with the rest of the world re. the European referendum vote, but this is ridiculous!
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Jun 20, 2017 12:05
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Cerv posted:comparing train ticket prices to rape is in poor taste I'm very obviously comparing the arguments used not the actual topics, behave. coffeetable posted:The actual issue is that demand varies wildly between peak and off-peak. What's the alternative way of smoothing it? Nationalise the the franchises away from independent companies that are still, despite your 'it's really efficient already!' claims, paying dividends in the same years as they increase ticket prices above inflation. Run the whole system as a nationalised whole and make investments as necessary, remembering that government borrowing is less damaging to the economy than some poor arsehole of a commuter shelling out half their salary on a rail pass. Then let the grownups handle it poo poo man I ain't a rail engineer.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:06
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coffeetable posted:UK trains are actually really cheap compared to other countries when booked in advance and used off-peak. They're only more expensive when you book for today and travel in peak hours. 'In case you think London-Sheffield is a special case, I tried London-Manchester. £12.50. ' Like loving bollocks. I used to travel that route a lot (albeit Oxford to Manchester, which should in fact be closer), I booked in advance and I never got it cheaper than 60 quid. Someone want to fact check this guy? Edit: I wish Bozza was still around. You know the guy who actually works in the rail industry and makes effort posts about how hosed up and inefficient it is. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Jun 20, 2017 12:06
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It is possible to secure cheap rail travel providing you plan your journey in advance.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:15
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feedmegin posted:magical wired connection to the internet through the rails
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Jun 20, 2017 12:15
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Never ever sign into free wifi, my droogs. Those companies are rifling through your phone and finding out how much anime porn you look at.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:18
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feedmegin posted:'In case you think London-Sheffield is a special case, I tried London-Manchester. £12.50. ' Like loving bollocks. I used to travel that route a lot (albeit Oxford to Manchester, which should in fact be closer), I booked in advance and I never got it cheaper than 60 quid. Someone want to fact check this guy? My experience is the same - I'm closer than London to Manchester, and it was always around £60 return. From that site: London to Sheffield (1 month in advance) £12.50 on the 12:03 Cheapest using the same site I can get is £16.50, and a few other sites it's more like £20. London to Manchester start at £20. Same with the next day travel - that site says £22, yet I can't get it under £32 Same day travel? Site says £69.50, yet I can't get it for less than £169 Also, you'll notice that the fares for France, Italy and Germany are pretty much constant. A same day ticket costs the same as one booked well in advance.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:19
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communism bitch posted:Never ever sign into free wifi, my droogs. Those companies are rifling through your phone and finding out how much anime porn you look at. good
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Jun 20, 2017 12:19
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feedmegin posted:'In case you think London-Sheffield is a special case, I tried London-Manchester. £12.50. ' Like loving bollocks. I used to travel that route a lot (albeit Oxford to Manchester, which should in fact be closer), I booked in advance and I never got it cheaper than 60 quid. Someone want to fact check this guy? I had a look on my work's corporate booking thing. If I booked a ticket from London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly for 12pm on Monday 24th July, the cheapest single is £22. It's the same for the rest of the week until Friday 28th where the cheapest is £38, presumably weekend pricing. These are both for advance singles of the "use it or lose it" type, so don't miss the train! I have no idea how this guy was finding stuff for £12.50.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:21
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It's been a long time since I used trains with any regularity, but the best way to travel cheap on short notice was to ask the people in the ticket office the cheapest way, whom, being masters of the arcane, would somehow know that if you went back a stop or two and then caught a different train after clicking your heels three times and whistling a jaunty tune to beelzebub, your ticket magically drops to a fifth of the cost. Probably mainly ticket machines now
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Jun 20, 2017 12:22
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DesperateDan posted:It's been a long time since I used trains with any regularity, but the best way to travel cheap on short notice was to ask the people in the ticket office the cheapest way, whom, being masters of the arcane, would somehow know that if you went back a stop or two and then caught a different train after clicking your heels three times and whistling a jaunty tune to beelzebub, your ticket magically drops to a fifth of the cost. When I was traveling in Japan, they were incredibly helpful people.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:27
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DesperateDan posted:It's been a long time since I used trains with any regularity, but the best way to travel cheap on short notice was to ask the people in the ticket office the cheapest way, whom, being masters of the arcane, would somehow know that if you went back a stop or two and then caught a different train after clicking your heels three times and whistling a jaunty tune to beelzebub, your ticket magically drops to a fifth of the cost. Split ticketing is magic. I was going up to Birmingham every week for a while and it was about £100 all in. Every couple of weeks the booking system would spit out split tickets instead and drop it to £66, with absolutely no change in the actual journey (it even booked me the same reserved seat).
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communism bitch posted:Never ever sign into free wifi, my droogs. Those companies are rifling through your phone and finding out how much anime porn you look at. If they're looking for recommendations, they could've just asked. I use a VPN now anyway.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:28
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Pissflaps posted:It is possible to secure cheap rail travel providing you plan your journey in advance. Sometimes you can't plan in advance for different reasons, and you shouldn't be penalised by 3x price multipliers like I was last weekend.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:30
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I think that expression means something different over there. They were only discussing Uganda.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:34
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Why don't you just travel offpeak and arrive at work 3 hours late to save money? Idiots.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:35
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Why don't you just travel offpeak and arrive at work 3 hours late to save money? Idiots. I believe we're discussing long distance, one-off journeys than regular commuting for which I assume a season ticket would represent best value.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:37
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I'm not a heavy rail user but my experience is largely positive. This weekend for instance I'm planning to see a relative who lives in a tiny village in North Yorkshire and I'm able to get a ticket for a fiver with no transfers, only a five minute walk at either end door to door. That's great service.
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Pissflaps posted:I believe we're discussing long distance, one-off journeys than regular commuting for which I assume a season ticket would represent best value. Season tickets, at least for me, have a minimal discount. I've not done the maths on my current route, but on my old one, which was a longer trip, switching from individual tickets to a weekly was around 8%, which is pretty good, but switching to a monthly was less than 1% better, and switching to a yearly from the monthly was about another half a percent.
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UKMT Pissflaps Lasted Two Weeks: Good Morning Fellow Rail Fans
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Zephro posted:Speaking as a commuter on a line with an iffy mobile signal, train wifi is deeply poo poo. As in "won't even send you to the mandatory sign-in page 80% of the time" poo poo. Have to say i never use it because the three sim card i have in my laptop does the job 99% of the time i'm not going through a tunnel
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not a heavy rail user but my experience is largely positive.
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coffeetable posted:Ok. This isn't a bait question: where do you think the money should come from? No-one is secretly making vast profits off the railways - margins are thin, prices are comparable with Europe, and excess profits go back to the gov - so presumably for the amount you pay to go down there either needs to be ~efficiency savings~, or the money needs to come from somewhere else. Nationalise the railways, tax the rich more, increase first class prices, take it from the gross subsidies that the private rail companies get, whatever. We live in a world where it's cheaper to fly than it is to take the train. This is silly. Flying is horrendously inefficient, environmentally dodgy, but nah, you have to pay extra to take the train despite it taking about 8 hours extra from here to London than flying, even including the time to get to the airport & then from the airport to the centre of London. Have higher taxes on domestic air fares to subsidise cheaper rail travel. It's a public service. It doesn't need to run at a profit, there's considerably more important things than profit. feedmegin posted:I assume that train wifi is basically going over 4g anyway Considering there's decent Wifi on Scotrail's route from Inverness to Glasgow & Edinburgh, which involves going through mile after mile of empty wilderness, no much in the way of 4G up here. feedmegin posted:'In case you think London-Sheffield is a special case, I tried London-Manchester. £12.50. ' Like loving bollocks. I used to travel that route a lot (albeit Oxford to Manchester, which should in fact be closer), I booked in advance and I never got it cheaper than 60 quid. Someone want to fact check this guy? Technically those fares do exist. You just need to know exactly when they go on sale because they sell out almost instantly. It's bullshit. gently caress these companies pulling off that bollocks trick.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:47
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Also i'm travelling to birmingham this week and could have got one leg of the journey for £5 because i'm leave a 620 ish AM but i paid £55 for first class because it's going to be 620am
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Jun 20, 2017 12:49
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communism bitch posted:Never ever sign into free wifi, my droogs. Those companies are rifling through your phone and finding out how much anime porn you look at. Jokes on them I only jerk off to regular non-porn anime
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Jun 20, 2017 12:50
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Booty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:56
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Maw posted:Jokes on them I only jerk off to regular non-porn anime I bet you hate beans and and like black pudding too, you sicko.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:57
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forkboy84 posted:Considering there's decent Wifi on Scotrail's route from Inverness to Glasgow & Edinburgh, which involves going through mile after mile of empty wilderness, no much in the way of 4G up here.7 Must be the only route then because I've never had consistent wifi on any train from dundee to glasgow or edinburgh, always lines up with when I have 4G signal in general.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:59
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Miftan posted:I bet you hate beans and and like black pudding too, you sicko. like beans, like black pudding, come at me
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Jun 20, 2017 13:04
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Tesseraction posted:Booty is in the eye of the beholder. Namtab posted:Show me the booty.
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Jun 20, 2017 13:06
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Nice try but I won't walk into Kitty Jailing myself that easily.
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Jun 20, 2017 13:09
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coffeetable posted:The actual issue is that demand varies wildly between peak and off-peak. What's the alternative way of smoothing it? Invest in a decent nationalized coach service with fast intercity coaches that don't drive into the middle of towns, and linking buses that do. Take the pressure of passengers off trains, invest in a transport system currently used by poors and that is much more easily expandable, win all round.
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coffeetable posted:The actual issue is that demand varies wildly between peak and off-peak. What's the alternative way of smoothing it? Make flexible working a cultural norm, so "Rush hour" isn't a thing?
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Jun 20, 2017 13:18
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feedmegin posted:I assume that train wifi is basically going over 4g anyway, there's no magical wired connection to the internet through the rails or anything. So the same signal problems that affect your phone as it's hurtling down the line through rural areas with no signal are also going to affect the wifi. quote:I've not done the maths on my current route, but on my old one, which was a longer trip, switching from individual tickets to a weekly was around 8%, which is pretty good, but switching to a monthly was less than 1% better, and switching to a yearly from the monthly was about another half a percent. They used to say that was because paper tickets could be re-used by someone else and you could be selling them to your mates on the sly. That was dubious at the time because you need a photo-ID to go with your ticket. It's even more dubious now that they've introduced smart-card ticketing which lets you remotely revoke a lost card. That's the reason* TFL will give you as many replacement season tickets as you like. But SWT still only allow you to have one. *Well it's the proximate reason. The ultimate reason is that TFL don't need to make a profit so have less incentive to gently caress their customers over. Zephro fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Rarebit on toast This is just too much toast, you've gone mad.
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