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if an animal's name includes the thing it can do to harm you then you want to actively fear what it can do
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Yah I learned that the hard way from the tickle bird.
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jesus, please don't post anything else that reminds me of my encounter with that buttfucking kangaroo
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 So, I haven't seen all that many of these transporter vaults, but this one stood out to me as particularly nasty.
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LordSloth posted:
 Does anyone know if the various calculations on learndb for things like hit chance, damage, etc, are correct? Or is there a better way to find them, other than code diving?
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You can see the damage numbers ingame now
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LordSloth posted:
This is a thing of beauty.
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someone awful. posted:You can see the damage numbers ingame now
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Not like, how much damage you do, how much damage things can do to you. Sorry to get your hopes up. 
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someone awful. posted:Not like, how much damage you do, how much damage things can do to you. Sorry to get your hopes up.
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welp, 11 runes down the toilet because I got bored in Pandemonium. Went through like http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Inde/morgue-Inde-20170619-234743.txt to mourn my sick gear
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someone awful. posted:You can see the damage numbers ingame now Yeah I know that, I'm just interested in digging into some of the mathematics behind the game.' e: While Im asking questions, how do you guys play using Gozag. Set up a shop every change you get? Always have enough reserve gold for potion effects? vulturesrow fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Jun 20, 2017 01:41
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vulturesrow posted:Yeah I know that, I'm just interested in digging into some of the mathematics behind the game.' Saving enough gold for potions is pro-mode, forgetting to build shops until you've finished a branch and you've got a million bucks is god-mode, never spending any of it because you forgot totally... ultra-hardcore. Honestly, I usually just build shops as I remember to or unless I run into a wall and need to see if I can get some great gear to help me along the way. Especially as a spellcaster if no books have shown up. Mummys of Gozag are quite fun once you actually make it to mid-game and you've managed to find some half-decent spells.
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vulturesrow posted:Yeah I know that, I'm just interested in digging into some of the mathematics behind the game.' Coming at this from a Vine Stalker perspective: A: Once you get past the early game, always keep 1500 gold on you for emergency potions. Before you start your money train, use your regular consumables. B: Don't acquire more than one shop before clearing Orc 2. C: Branches are where you farm up money, branch ends are where you spend it. You may blow through 3000 gold clearing the Vault 5 ambush as a melee dude, but you'll easily recoup all of that by clearing Vaults 1 through 4. D: Provided you can survive, Hell/Abyss will fund everything else you might want because the enemies there actually drop gold despite respawning infinitely.
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1500 is way too much gold to hoard. With Gozag you should have more basic potions than regular characters (potion and scroll shops are always a safe bet if your other choices suck) and potion petition isn't so much better than drinking regular potions, so you should generally only use it when you really need to, like when you're completely out of heal wounds or super likely to die next turn. With that in mind and considering potion costs, having ~600g spare is plenty. That gives you 1-2 petitions most of the time. You won't be able to buy the crazy 1000g cure-heal-magic-haste-invis-might-agility potion slurry but those are usually a bad choice anyway. Don't get those unless it's free or you are super desperate. You want to be pretty proactive about setting up shops, they give you new gear. It's fine to float a bit of gold though since you need extra to actually buy the things in the shop anyway.
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Since I've been trying to get a Gozag Octopode run to work lately I've been leaning pretty hard into rushing a shop so I can get a jewelry shop opened to fill out those ring slots.
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Glagha posted:Since I've been trying to get a Gozag Octopode run to work lately I've been leaning pretty hard into rushing a shop so I can get a jewelry shop opened to fill out those ring slots. Since the shops are XL-based I generally try to get to XL12 before opening my first shop and for future shops if I am near a new level I hold off on until I ding. I think that's still valid with Op as long as you are surviving. If you are struggling I would get a shop as soon as you can afford it. Generally how I survive is I backpedal as soon as there is gold on the ground. The distraction will break up groups and give you a chance to lose some of them or at least fight more of them one on one. It's the same as any other class, wait until you absolutely are about to die without a shop. Just Podes tend to fall into the "about to die without it" category a lot more easily than most races. If no jewelry shop is afforded, antique shops and general stores can have jewelry and if you already need scrolls, scroll shops can have acquirement. For anyone but podes who just need jewelry too badly, it's good to wait until after Orc for your 2nd or 3rd shop. I generally bribe V5 after I've killed as many guards as I can stand and Zot 5 once I hit the vault. If I am not desperate for gear I will save funds to bribe Zot, Depths, and possibly Dungeon on the way out. Also try to get OOD as it's absolutely hilarious with Gozag.
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So on a similar note, is the endgame survivability plan for OpTm just get to statue form or something? Or should you expect to stock up on artifact rings that make up for your lack of armor? Or both?
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statue form or dragon form.
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Darox posted:1500 is way too much gold to hoard. With Gozag you should have more basic potions than regular characters (potion and scroll shops are always a safe bet if your other choices suck) and potion petition isn't so much better than drinking regular potions, so you should generally only use it when you really need to, like when you're completely out of heal wounds or super likely to die next turn. With that in mind and considering potion costs, having ~600g spare is plenty. That gives you 1-2 petitions most of the time. You won't be able to buy the crazy 1000g cure-heal-magic-haste-invis-might-agility potion slurry but those are usually a bad choice anyway. Don't get those unless it's free or you are super desperate. Counterpoint- as a Vs you can't heal with regular potions so you might need blow two petitions in a row if you absolutely need healing now (same applies for mummies)
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Araganzar posted:jesus, please don't post anything else that reminds me of my encounter with that buttfucking kangaroo FR: buttfucking kangaroos
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Is there a reliable way to generate a ton of noise quickly? I want the whole floor to be nearby when I spread the gospel of Ru, and even after using a wand of lightning and shouting a few times there still are always some monsters that don't notice me until after using Apocalypse.
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Konstantin posted:Is there a reliable way to generate a ton of noise quickly? I want the whole floor to be nearby when I spread the gospel of Ru, and even after using a wand of lightning and shouting a few times there still are always some monsters that don't notice me until after using Apocalypse.  Scrolls of noise might help? I'm not sure if they're louder than lightning wands or not.
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Konstantin posted:Is there a reliable way to generate a ton of noise quickly? I want the whole floor to be nearby when I spread the gospel of Ru, and even after using a wand of lightning and shouting a few times there still are always some monsters that don't notice me until after using Apocalypse. LearnDB says lightning bolt is only a little quieter than shatter, so there you go.
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Konstantin posted:Is there a reliable way to generate a ton of noise quickly? Summon Buttfucking Kangaroo
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Araganzar posted:Since the shops are XL-based Wow, I never would have thought of that. Thanks - will reinforce my "buy what you know about" tendencies over my "but the next one could be spectacular - you know you want to". Any idea how big the effect is?
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Konstantin posted:Is there a reliable way to generate a ton of noise quickly? I want the whole floor to be nearby when I spread the gospel of Ru, and even after using a wand of lightning and shouting a few times there still are always some monsters that don't notice me until after using Apocalypse. Find the Shield of the Gong. Alternatively smash two Orbs of Destruction together!
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rchandra posted:Wow, I never would have thought of that. Thanks - will reinforce my "buy what you know about" tendencies over my "but the next one could be spectacular - you know you want to". Any idea how big the effect is? Never knew they were XL based either, that changes a couple of things for me.
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I decided to play some OpTm and Dragon form is even better than I remember. I bought it from a book store in lair and have just been on an absolute rampage. I oneshot both of the dragons guarding the depths entrance. I tabbed through the desolation of salt at xl18 and that place is usually nightmare hard. I've had some close calls but luckily Gozag also gave me an extra 4 blink scrolls on top of my existing pile so I have emergency options for days. And even burning all that food on dragonform casts I've still got plenty of food and have bought no food shops. OpTm is pretty rough to start with (The first two attempts ended in less than 20 turns) but once it gets rolling it's so good. Araganzar posted:Since the shops are XL-based I generally try to get to XL12 before opening my first shop and for future shops if I am near a new level I hold off on until I ding. I think that's still valid with Op as long as you are surviving. If you are struggling I would get a shop as soon as you can afford it. Generally how I survive is I backpedal as soon as there is gold on the ground. The distraction will break up groups and give you a chance to lose some of them or at least fight more of them one on one. What part of them scales with XL? Also I'd say antique and general stores are pretty low tier, I usually wouldn't pick them over potions or scrolls. My ranking: Jewelry > Potions > Scrolls > Armour > Antiques > Weapons > General > Books > Food > Gadgets Obviously they change depending on your current character/gear, an OpTm doesn't care about armour or weapons and someone with full artifact jewelry might not value more jewelry stores but that's the general priority.
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Darox posted:My ranking: Jewelry > Potions > Scrolls > Armour > Antiques > Weapons > General > Books > Food > Gadgets Interesting choices. For an Op going Jewelry first is obviously the smart choice but in general I would (depending on how good the other shops and floor god have been to me) do Armour/Jewelry/Weapons up top, and then Books and Scrolls. I always figured antiques had a higher chance of generating artifacts but there is no basis for it except observation bias I guess. FulsomFrank fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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It's basically just picking the things that have the highest chance of a useful return. A jewelry store especially early has a high chance of giving you either a resist you don't have, extra AC/EV/Slaying, or just an amulet you're missing with a decent shot at a useful artifact on top of that. Everyone can wear all rings, most people only want one weapon type or a particular armour weight class. A potions shop basically always has some of curing/heal wounds/might/agility with the chance at haste. Similar thing with scrolls, although the common stuff is less useful than common potions. Armour is better than I gave credit though, I'd probably revise that list with armour above scrolls, and for the first couple of shops I'd also take it over potions. You're more likely to have empty or unbranded aux slots to help the odds. The highrolls for armour and weapon shops are real nice but the low result is literally nothing so I dislike them. Antique versions have a higher chance of success though.
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I've been splitting a LOT of OpTr's. The secret to getting one off the ground seems to be playing locally and filling the dungeon with hundreds of weak OpTr ghosts that you can then consume and use the XP to get the good forms rolling.
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Thanks to everyone here, I'm going to undergo an exercise in self-hatred and run back some OpTm on CBRO for much of the evening. While I'm familiar with the game, when it comes to OpTm, I have no loving clue other than I hate how my transmuters of any variety all die spiteful deaths. Feel free to spectate if you want to see someone be bad at it http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-LordSloth Or drop a link if you plan to play some Octopodes online and want to share your misery. Edit: Done for night, somehow made it through lair and orc despite many butt-clenching brushes with death. LordSloth fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Hi Crawl thread, I have a BaSu who's done Orc and is just wrapping up L6 (I did Orc first because Nessos was on L5). I've got 7 spell levels and I'm looking to learn a level 7 Summoning spell. The problem is...Summon Hydra, Monstrous Menagerie, and Summon Greater Demon don't seem to immediately suggest which ones are good for which situations. Which one should I memorize? I just don't know which factors favor which choices. I've been playing this dude as a bit of an infighter, because it's easy to hang out with my summons until it gets hairy and then hop and blink out. Here's a dump if it helps. He has sick resists so I'm really hoping not to splat this one.
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Summon hydra can be useful for the entire game. Its a short duration spell so its no good for preemptive summons, but you can call some up during battle to tear through opponents. Monstrous menagerie is suited for a higher level chaff spell with some decent power behind it. Summon greater demon is awful and should only be used if you feel like getting yourself killed.
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Hello. Can ziggurats still spawn in Pan, or anywhere else? I used the one in Depths already, but bailed out around floor 10. I have been wandering Pan for a while, but no zig. TIA.
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chukamok posted:Hello. Can ziggurats still spawn in Pan, or anywhere else? I used the one in Depths already, but bailed out around floor 10. I have been wandering Pan for a while, but no zig. TIA. Nope. You get a zig spawning token at the end of tomb though.
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