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To clarify, Solemnity does not stop "enters the battlefield with counters" effects because they are not yet a permanent, right? But yeah that seems like a solid board card in Modern. Not sure if it beats out existing anti-affinity or anti-infect etc. cards, but it's pretty versatile.
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The Sexual Shiite posted:Affinity and infect hate? How do you type cumulative upkeep and get that
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Sickening posted:Was relic too good for standard? Seems more like a sidegrade than an upgrade or downgrade. Adding 1 mana for the ability to get rid of the specific card you need gone without losing it, in exchange for losing the free card when you blow it up.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Deck: Mardu Reanimator Thanks. So you have 7 draw and dump spells just for Liliana to reanimate?
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TheKingofSprings posted:How do you type cumulative upkeep and get that Oooh, time to go digging for ways to abuse this.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Deck: Mardu Reanimator Oh right, this was the Void Winnower deck. Is that card still effective vs the post-Marvel-ban field?
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The Shortest Path posted:To clarify, Solemnity does not stop "enters the battlefield with counters" effects because they are not yet a permanent, right? That would mean that Melira and Vizier of Remedies would not be able to prevent a -1/-1 counter from being put on a Kitchen Finks when it is revived with persist.
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I, for one, am glad to finally get a decent Marvel/energy hate card
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evilweasel posted:Seems more like a sidegrade than an upgrade or downgrade. Adding 1 mana for the ability to get rid of the specific card you need gone without losing it, in exchange for losing the free card when you blow it up. The mana to activate the first ability can't be ignored. Not getting a card upon exile is a big deal. I prefer this to having nothing but why not just print relic?
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80s James Hetfield posted:haha these gy hate cards are infuriating. i buy into a deck all bout reanimation because there haven't been anyway to deal with it for the last few sets and i order the cards friday and now all the gy hate is being spoiled Eh, it's not like the existence of a few counter-play cards in the sideboard is going to invalidate the deck.
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How does that counters card not work with depths? Don't the counter get put on 'when it etbs'
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Sickening posted:The mana to activate the first ability can't be ignored. Not getting a card upon exile is a big deal. I prefer this to having nothing but why not just print relic? Because Creative didn't feel a card that references Progenitus fits thematically on blah blah blah
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 Fraying Sanity 2U Enchantment - Aura Curse Enchant Player At the beginning of each end step, enchanted player puts X cards from the top of his or her library into their graveyard, where X is the number of cards that went to their graveyard from anywhere this turn.
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Star Man posted:That would mean that Melira and Vizier of Remedies would not be able to prevent a -1/-1 counter from being put on a Kitchen Finks when it is revived with persist. You're right. So it's a combo with Dark Depths, then, for one. It's also great with Glacial Chasm. It seems like an extraordinarily powerful hate piece in Commander, against the right things. Not sure whether it will see play in other formats, 3cmc is a tad high for proactive hate. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Elyv posted:
Great, i guess esper mill is going to have another card.
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DangerDongs posted:Thanks. You have Nahiri as well.
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I mean, solemnity basically kills any kind of energy deck, right? Any GB Energy deck is destroyed by this.
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How does the counters enchantment interact with Phyrexian Unlife?
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Smashing Link posted:How does the counters enchantment interact with Phyrexian Unlife? You can't lose from damage or loss life.
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Smashing Link posted:How does the counters enchantment interact with Phyrexian Unlife? you basically can't die to damage
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YggdrasilTM posted:I mean, solemnity basically kills any kind of energy deck, right? Any GB Energy deck is destroyed by this. In a vacuum world where enchantment answers did not exist yeah probably
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80s James Hetfield posted:Deck: Mardu Reanimator Where did this come from originally? I like it but find the colors a bit unreliable sometimes, and I'm not sure Whispers has been that great.
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Jun 20, 2017 16:33
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If this had been printed in, oh, say, 1998, it would have said: "Counters can't be put on permanents." Might have even had: "Remove all counters from all permanents."
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Sickening posted:The mana to activate the first ability can't be ignored. Not getting a card upon exile is a big deal. I prefer this to having nothing but why not just print relic? Well, assuming we're talking about standard: how much stuff depends on the number of cards in your graveyard rather than specific cards in your graveyard? This lets you exile the targets of refurbish/rise from the grave, lets you nuke Prized Amalgam if it's going to be triggered, lets you nuke any specific embalm creature you want to stay dead, and stay on the board. So you're paying one mana to keep the card around when you haven't been able to pre-clear the graveyard. Because you don't need to clear out the graveyard completely to get rid of specific cards you don't need to activate it every turn. I think in modern it doesn't seem useful in most cases since you're going to be nuking the entire graveyard more than a specific card, but there's matchups where you'd prefer this.
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TheKingofSprings posted:In a vacuum world where enchantment answers did not exist yeah probably I need to draw my hate, you need to draw an answer form my hate. It seems fair.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Where did this come from originally? I like it but find the colors a bit unreliable sometimes, and I'm not sure Whispers has been that great. Angry Grimace posted it a few pages back. I am not sure where he got it. But it looked interesting to me so I been playing the poo poo out of it online to decent results and bought it when they banned Marvel. Whispers is great when you hit it late game with a Dark Dwellers w/Delirium 80s James Hetfield fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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evilweasel posted:Well, assuming we're talking about standard: how much stuff depends on the number of cards in your graveyard rather than specific cards in your graveyard? This lets you exile the targets of refurbish/rise from the grave, lets you nuke Prized Amalgam if it's going to be triggered, lets you nuke any specific embalm creature you want to stay dead, and stay on the board. So you're paying one mana to keep the card around when you haven't been able to pre-clear the graveyard. Because you don't need to clear out the graveyard completely to get rid of specific cards you don't need to activate it every turn. There is little chance this sees play in modern over the options it already has available.
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Solemnity is a guaranteed sideboard card in Modern.
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Here's an exhaustive list of all the cumulative upkeep cards that are even kind of good with Solemnity: illusions of grandeur ritual of subdual reality twist naked singularity inner sanctum infernal darkness snowfall thought lash tidal control tombstone stairwell tornado a whole bunch of lovely slightly-undercosted vanilla or french vanilla dudes Unfortunately all of them are 3+ cmc and most are not modern legal, so at best some of this might be cute in commander.
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Also stops Experience Counter generals.
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The Shortest Path posted:Here's an exhaustive list of all the cumulative upkeep cards that are even kind of good with Solemnity: Phyrexian Soulgorger. 3 mana 8/8. Sheltering Ancient: 2 mana 5/5 trample Survivor of the Unseen: 3 mana, tap to draw two and put one card on your library I'm reading cumulative upkeep correctly: you must first put the counter on, then pay for it, so no counter put on = no payment at all, correct? evilweasel fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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That's correct. Soulgorger is probably the only vanilla dude worth using with it, but that's still not fantastic. Two 3cmc cards that are bad alone for an 8/8 with no evasion is... not great. At that point you're better off playing Saheeli combo.
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Plus this:  Play any instant or sorcery.
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Man, it would be cool to see a white based enchantress deck based around unlife and solemnity.
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Doesn't that also combo with Devoted Druid for infinite mana?
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DariusLikewise posted:Doesn't that also combo with Devoted Druid for infinite mana? Nah, this prevents you from paying the cost, like Melira, whereas vizier modifies the cost.
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It would've been pretty funny if they hosed up and included "planeswalkers" in that list of permanents.
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TheMaestroso posted:Plus this: Turn 3 Solemnity. Turn 4 Thing in the Ice, Expedite, bounce your poo poo swing for 7 seems good. Edit: I'm putting Swarm Intelligence in my Intet deck. I'm building The Locust God. Animar is getting Crucible Man. Hour is a good EDH set. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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The Shortest Path posted:Here's an exhaustive list of all the cumulative upkeep cards that are even kind of good with Solemnity: Mystic remora makes for a potential draw engine as well
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