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Even then the Romanoi emperors of what we call the Byzantine Empire went on to rule for another thousand years after the “fall“ of the western empire.
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I'm aware of the byzatines like any good goon  But while they were the most direct continuation of the Empire they always felt like such a strongly separate entity, culturally.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:35
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That's mostly because you are looking at the Empire through a western lens, though. We always associate the Roman Empire with Latin speakers and the city of Rome and Augustus and whatnot, but throughout its existence the Empire had a Greek speaking eastern half that was always culturally distinct from its western counterpart (although the cultural connections and similarities were at least equally strong). And finally don't forget that the public perception of the eastern empire is strongly influenced from medieval and later Romantic western cliches and prejudices, which are not only not necessarily representative of reality but also came to be many centuries after the separation of the two halves of the Empire, so the East simply had a lot of time to develop on its own and follow a trajectory that would naturally end in an empire that towards its end looked very different from what it was a thousand years before.
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Jun 20, 2017 13:50
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You're not telling me anything I didn't know. If it makes you feel better I'll remember to use the term western Roman emperor here.
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Jun 20, 2017 13:57
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RagnarokAngel posted:You're not telling me anything I didn't know. If it makes you feel better I'll remember to use the term western Roman emperor here. Try and keep this in mind, if all an emperor is known for before he is assassinated is his goofball impulses it usually means he didn't gently caress up anything too badly. He was most surely a puppet controlled by his mother until their murders. The Roman Empire at that time was so lumbering and distant from border to border that most places on the edges had military rule or de facto autonomy and one kid used as a human rubber stamp in the middle couldn't mess it up too badly unless he tried.
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Jun 20, 2017 14:36
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Is Putin a tsar/caesar? Because one gets the feeling he'd like that honorific.
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Jun 20, 2017 16:12
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Putin is czar grozny as gently caress (e: but not in title)
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Jun 20, 2017 16:20
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This is the gun that cosmonauts use to have with them in space: The reason they had them is that they landed in Siberia after the end of their mission. And Siberia has wolves and bears.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:01
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You left off the part where it had a stock that was also a machete.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:10
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They just issue Makarovs now.
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chitoryu12 posted:They just issue Makarovs now. Pffft, what's the point of even becoming a cosmonaut if you don't get your awesome machete gun.
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syscall girl posted:Is Putin a tsar/caesar? Because one gets the feeling he'd like that honorific. Their coat of arms is a doubled-headed eagle, which is a late Byzantine thing, so they're definitely still trying to project that kind of authority.
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Frogfingers posted:Their coat of arms is a doubled-headed eagle, which is a late Byzantine thing, so they're definitely still trying to project that kind of authority. Related to this I just found out Americans might've had a double-headed eagle on the Great Seal.  quote:
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Jun 20, 2017 23:46
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RagnarokAngel posted:Considering how long Rome existed I kind of considered 200 years not that much time but fair enough. I should have generalized it to Roman emperors in general. Rome existed for a long, long drat time. You were guaranteed to end up with more than a few really loving weird people in positions of power over that period of time. Humanity as a whole is just plain weird and gross so it shouldn't come as a surprise when you turn up emperors who were bug gently caress crazy. Elagabalus was by all rights kind of a poo poo head too; he demanded increasingly insane levels of decadence and would torment people who passed out drunk by locking the doors after leading leopards or bears or some other such animal into the room. So people would wake up from their stupid and go OH gently caress HUGE PREDATOR. What really topped it though was that he took a liking to ostrich brains. That's it; just the brains. Now, ostriches have pretty tiny heads and pretty tiny brains. They're not exactly the smartest creatures around so to have a whole meal of ostrich brains you need quite a few of them. Which had to be imported. To Rome. From Africa. In large numbers. During the 3rd century. This was not a cheap endeavor at all. There's disagreement historically on how much of it is true and how much of it was made up but there's evidence that he was a total poo poo that everybody hated. It seemed that he took "I'm both Emperor of Rome and a literal loving god" far too much to his head and just demanded whatever struck his fancy at the moment. It became so absurdly expensive just to give him the food he wanted people were like "this little fucker has to die."
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I was reading his ~Wikipedia~ article because I've never heard of him before. He sounds like a nut. But it did get me to wondering why that one guy dismantled the Vestal Virgin thing. Had it really been around for 1,000 years? I remembered there was an A/T...but I'm sure they already covered it.
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I.C. posted:I was reading his ~Wikipedia~ article because I've never heard of him before. He sounds like a nut. But it did get me to wondering why that one guy dismantled the Vestal Virgin thing. Had it really been around for 1,000 years? It's unknown when the Virgins really came to be - when Roman legend is to be believed, they were originally created outside of Rome some 650 years or so BC. Emperor Theodosius abolished them in 391 as part of his efforts to christianise the Empire, but they had slowly been dissolving away before that, too, owing to the Roman elite beginning to turn towards Christianity from ~350 AD onwards. There was at least one woman who left the Vestals and became Christian, for example, which would have been an utterly unthinkable thing not long before that. The Virgins weren't the only ones affected, either; there was a bunch of other ancient priestly colleges that went away around 400 AD too.
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He didnt dismantle the virgins last i heard. He put his own god above the Roman God's, even Jupiter, and married one of the virgins which was A Thing You Weren't Supposed To Do. But it was Theodosius I who ended the vestal virgins over 150 years later because he made Christianity the state religion. Edit: beaten
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Not many people know this, but
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System Metternich posted:Not many people know this, but
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Shbobdb posted:I mean, there was a specific term for the policy blowback of their alliance with Germany. "Finlandization". Nobody wanted to touch a former Nazi ally so while remaining nominally unaligned they had to default to Soviet influence because if nobody wants to be your friend, your best option is to cozy up to the most powerful person next to you and hope they don't beat you up too badly. this really isn't correct etymology even if its use is very distantly applicable in this case, the term was created by west germans to criticize finland's detached but cordial cold war relations with the USSR, contrary to the position most other western nations took, such that term popularly developed to mean 'bowing to the east but not bending so low that it would be perceived as mooning the west;' so by not taking a firm stance against communism (or capitalism for the matter) and even being permissive of some soviet censorship of its media finland was seen as giving the USSR its implicit approval while still retaining its sovereignty and other relations with the west - the decision to pursue this kind of finely balanced foreign policy on the part of finland was mostly due to the precarious balance of power that it understood between itself and the USSR which dictated neutrality to both superpowers was the best course it's popularly taught that finlandization was considered a bad thing in the west because if other nations, especially the ones in NATO, decided to walk similarly cordial lines between superpowers it would weaken the united front the US expected all good nations to present the term can be applied retroactively to some countries in ww2 like switzerland in how they maintained cordial relations with both the german reich and the allies but the term 'finlandization' doesn't actually fit ww2 finland super well given its co-belligerence with germany then
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Nckdictator posted:Related to this I just found out Americans might've had a double-headed eagle on the Great Seal. I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of American imagery is directly Roman. Bald eagles, colossal statues of presidents in monuments, in fact, Abraham Lincoln's hands rest on a pair of fasces, the Roman symbol of authority. System Metternich posted:Not many people know this, but Those walls are still there and are big enough and span far enough that the course that runs between the inner and out wall is wide enough to play a game of basketball on, the inner walls are still pretty intact and used to be rented apartments in times of peace, and currently hold a fair few Syrian refugees, and the moat of the outer wall is thick enough that it has been converted into highway tunnel.
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Jun 21, 2017 09:39
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Do they still have that giant chain I heard about in a Turisas song?
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Nessus posted:Do they still have that giant chain I heard about in a Turisas song? Some of it is in the archaeological museum. You can touch it.
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Fun fact: Saying something cool is "off the chain" originates with the Byzantines who would say things that were grand in scale or extravagant were "Της αλυσίδας" ([as if] of the chain" and first entered English in 1877 when Reginald st.John Menzies Cholmondeley, earl of Scunthorpe, used the phrase to describe his trip to Siam.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Fun fact: Questionable etymology itt Off the chain simply refers to a frenetic dog that has been let loose. It is used in reference to something crazy and/or exciting
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Fun fact: Making up random facts that sorta sound like they could be true is fun.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Fun fact: It's the best. Fun fact: History is chock full of this
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Drunk Nerds posted:Questionable etymology itt Welcome to probably around half of the thread
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The bulk of Otis Redding's career as a recording artist took place from when he was about 21 until his death at 26, which I think is pretty amazing to realise when you listen to those songs.
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Jun 22, 2017 01:47
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FreudianSlippers posted:Fun fact: This is the equivalent of someone wearing a bowler hat, blue woad, a kilt and a pair of wellies while Morris dancing around a maypole drinking porter. 
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Helith posted:This is the equivalent of someone wearing a bowler hat, blue woad, a kilt and a pair of wellies while Morris dancing around a maypole drinking porter. Ohhh, it was hyperbole. I missed that with my mad rush to try to be right on the Internet.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:09
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Season greetings:
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Alhazred posted:Season greetings: My great uncle was a b-24 co-pilot with the 485th and flew a mission on Hitler's birthday. The bombs had "happy birthday, rear end in a top hat" on them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
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Crossposting from the D&D pictures thread:System Metternich posted:Styrian Völkertafel (table of the European peoples), first half of the 18th century:
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Alhazred posted:Season greetings: 
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Helith posted:This is the equivalent of someone wearing a bowler hat, blue woad, a kilt and a pair of wellies while Morris dancing around a maypole drinking porter. It's stereotypically british? I mean, that's basically what you people do all day, right
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Grand Prize Winner posted:It's stereotypically british? It's the name. The British upper classes, due to centuries of inbreeding, idleness and nannies chewing their food for them, became unable to move their jaws properly when speaking. Poor dears. So Reginald St. John Menzies Cholmondeley would have introduced himself as "Reginald Sinjin Ming Chumlee" Earl of Soval officehorpe. Problematic. Especially with the pronunciation issues that poor Reg has.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Rome existed for a long, long drat time. You were guaranteed to end up with more than a few really loving weird people in positions of power over that period of time. Humanity as a whole is just plain weird and gross so it shouldn't come as a surprise when you turn up emperors who were bug gently caress crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgbbiPItNes
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Helith posted:It's the name. nothing beats Featherstonehaugh for dumb aristocracy names
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