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Alpha Mayo posted:I think the real issue here isn't even QM, it is how serious Unranked takes itself and the lengthy draft process complete with Bans and everything. If it was a simple quick chat lobby where you just lock in a hero and go, it would be much better, and I think the comps would be far better. But I understand right now the point of Unranked is to test new comps without it going against your ranking. Yeah this is what I was thinking with my QM suggestion, picking your team basically as if you were a 5 man pre-made without having to interact with the other team's picks, bans, etc. But I can see how that raises other issues.
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Tender Bender posted:Yeah this is what I was thinking with my QM suggestion, picking your team basically as if you were a 5 man pre-made without having to interact with the other team's picks, bans, etc. But I can see how that raises other issues. It'd make QM even more toxic, because bad picks would be the teammate's fault instead of the awful matchmaking
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Jun 20, 2017 19:21
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EdRush posted:Blackhearts Bay liker checking in  The most fun it is possible for a human to have in this game is playing murky on bhb. You're so good at running camps that you'll constantly have 6+ coins, but the risk of getting ganked is so great. the risk makes the reward that much better imo.
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Jun 20, 2017 19:46
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I like BHB from a fun standpoint but I can see why some people don't because optimal play ignores most of the flow of a HotS game
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Jun 20, 2017 19:55
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If you like BHB you should give Try Mode a shot. It has both siege and bruiser camps, and as soon as you've cleared them you can reset and go again. You can experience a full 30 minute BHB game in less than half the time.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:03
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Gustav posted:If you like BHB you should give Try Mode a shot. It has both siege and bruiser camps, and as soon as you've cleared them you can reset and go again. You can experience a full 30 minute BHB game in less than half the time. Yeah but then I don't have the thrill of enemy players and the humor of teammates complaining about the map
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Jun 20, 2017 20:05
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Yeah but then I don't have the thrill of enemy players and the humor of teammates complaining about the map But it has Arthas. And maybe they can give your Malf some lines complaining about your skill, and asking why you are in Try mode if you don't even know your hero.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:21
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The only thing I'd say would help qm is if heroes had a minor adjustment to the chance they would show up on their worst maps.
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Tender Bender posted:Yeah this is what I was thinking with my QM suggestion, picking your team basically as if you were a 5 man pre-made without having to interact with the other team's picks, bans, etc. But I can see how that raises other issues. That sounds like league's team builder E: which they got rid of
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Jun 20, 2017 20:22
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I like BHB but it's mainly because aesthetically the best map between the setting, music (especially the War2 music cue that hits during turnin), and of course announcer. Also IIRC it's the first map I played back in the alpha, so that probably ingrains it in my mind too. Does Blackheart still have the "There's no one left to stop you!" line after a teamwipe? That was my favorite line but I don't remember hearing it recently.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:24
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I like BHB because there's a number of different strategies that you can use to approach it, meaning it has a huge amount of potential team combinations. I hate BHB because some of the strategies that you can use on it are loving miserable to play against. For instance, anything involving Tracer.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:21
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How is tracer miserable on bhb? I think everyone is so used to the map it's a lot better now. Since I've had to start playing on it again I haven't had a really miserable match yet. Garden is as I remember it
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Jun 20, 2017 22:44
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Garden is apparently not like a lot of people remember, because I keep seeing people running back and forth dropping the plant at every fort even though it doesn't appear to do damage anymore.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:54
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That change happened before Chromie was added, Jesus Christ.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:57
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Lots of us haven't played in a while and came back for 2.0 
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Jun 20, 2017 22:59
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EdRush posted:Blackhearts Bay liker checking in Big old same. I also like Braxis but mostly for selfish reasons
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Jun 20, 2017 23:44
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Garden has also been out of rotation a long long time
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:How is tracer miserable on bhb? Due to how Tracer attacks, she can destroy Chests nearly instantly. Couple that with her extreme mobility, a well-played Tracer on BHB is a loving nightmare.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Garden has also been out of rotation a long long time Yes it has been a good time.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:19
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Garden is good
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Jun 21, 2017 00:40
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Macaluso posted:Being free of Garden is good
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Garden is apparently not like a lot of people remember, because I keep seeing people running back and forth dropping the plant at every fort even though it doesn't appear to do damage anymore. What does it do now? Just stun buildings and you need to whack em?
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Jun 21, 2017 01:31
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Garden is ok but I hate when maps are out of rotation for so long. I've gotten people in their placement matches who have literally never played blackheart's bay.
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Macaluso posted:Garden is good
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Bruceski posted:What does it do now? Just stun buildings and you need to whack em? Yeah. Stunned buildings take quad damage from the terror or something like that. And it stuns core too now.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:42
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Also the terror's melee attack will kill all of the minions nearby in an aoe, so if you're crossing a lane and walking across a minion wave it's helpful to stop and smack it once.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:52
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Tracer is so much fun. Yeah she eats poo poo if the enemy can lock her down, but just casually strolling along next to a Li-Ming that missed all of her skillshots and plinking her to death is the best.
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NeurosisHead posted:Also the terror's melee attack will kill all of the minions nearby in an aoe, so if you're crossing a lane and walking across a minion wave it's helpful to stop and smack it once. It also does a lot of damage to heroes but god help you if you do literally anything but beeline to a building and only hit it. On the other hand, feel free to only use the dragon to kick people.
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beejay posted:It also does a lot of damage to heroes but god help you if you do literally anything but beeline to a building and only hit it. On the other hand, feel free to only use the dragon to kick people. don't forget to breathe fire into a bush before you approach a structure
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Wow, you guys weren't kidding. Haunted Mines really does suck poo poo.
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The only maps I profoundly dislike are Braxis Junction, the Haunted Mines, and Hanamura.
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Haunted mines should spawn a creep on your creep wave every time you kill one underground. Braxis is good because of the beacons Hanumara is a bad map
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Schneider Inside Her posted:Braxis is good because of the beacons Actually Braxis is bad because of the beacons but also because of all the other terrible stuff about that map
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I bought valeera on a whim. One match impressions, I'm surprised people take the assassinate talents when garrote is so good and eviscerate does less damage than I always expect considering I need to build it up.
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Please don't garrote unless the caster is guaranteed to die during that time, if you cheap shot them at least they'll freak out during it and there's a much better chance that your team mates will dog pile the target. Maybe I'm using of garrote wrong but it just seems like Val'z worst ability. Speaking of her though Cloak of Shadows is an amazing ultimate.
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Replace all maps with Towers of Doom and maybe Warhead Junction for special occasions.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Lots of us haven't played in a while and came back for 2.0 You'd think people would catch on though? I slam-picked Shadowstalk the first time I played Tyrande after the update but it only took me a single time to realize that it had become a third version of Shadowstalk.
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Mierenneuker posted:You'd think people would catch on though? I slam-picked Shadowstalk the first time I played Tyrande after the update but it only took me a single time to realize that it had become a third version of Shadowstalk. Yeah, now Shadowstalk is super awesome. The level 20 upgrade to it is also amazing.
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BHB is good as long as your team remembers its a PVE map and doesn't try to ping you constantly to turn in coins when the other team is defending turn in and you're getting more xp and more coins while they're distracted. A good BHB draft results in a team that never tries to do more than skirmish because once you're ahead on that map there is jack all your opponents can do without taking huge risks I think Garden is the only map i've never liked in the game.
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Spudd posted:Please don't garrote unless the caster is guaranteed to die during that time, if you cheap shot them at least they'll freak out during it and there's a much better chance that your team mates will dog pile the target. Garrote is better against casters in coordinated play, but yeah in QM hearing that classic 'cheap shot' sound makes everyone excited to jump on and attack.
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