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Escobarbarian posted:Weird people are assuming the shoot was going badly rather than it was good but wasn't the super formulaic Disneyfied thing they want. Are we not used to producers being the worst by now Maybe I'm naive, but for Christ's sake, has Disney not come to the realization that anything connected to Star Wars is going to make half a billion without breaking a sweat? Just hire good people, give them a broad framework to work within and get the gently caress out of the way.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Maybe I'm naive, but for Christ's sake, has Disney not come to the realization that anything connected to Star Wars is going to make half a billion without breaking a sweat? After Rogue One made more money than even Disney expected, I guarantee you they focus-group every new Star Wars project into oblivion to make sure it makes at least a full billion.
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The MSJ posted:Nah, Joss Whedon have Batman and Superman and Batgirl I thought that was Tarantino with the fetish
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Making a Han Solo film was pretty much the height of cynicism and everything I feared when Disney bought Lucasfilm. There was no way this movie was going to be good, no matter what. Want to know Han Solo's origin? It turns out he was a good guy, before he turned into a bad guy, and then turned into a good guy again! But then I guess he kinda turned into kind of a dick in between VI and VII so
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homullus posted:Disney probably won't take too many chances until they've made their four billion dollars back and then some more for good measure (and to keep stockholders happy). They recouped half their investment on the first movie alone.
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More from Variety: http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/ Variety posted:Miller and Lord were stunned to find that they were not being granted freedom to run the production in the manner that they were accustomed to. They balked at Kennedy’s tight control on the set.
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This is why I'm always skeptical of "[This creative person] is good but they need to be reined in by a strong editor/producer! Somebody needs to know when to say no!"
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Per Deadline, Ron Howard(!?) is the top replacement choice: http://deadline.com/2017/06/ron-howard-han-solo-star-wars-movie-replace-phil-lord-christopher-miller-directors-1202117289/
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Firing young hip sexy directors and hiring bald old farts to lock it down is extremely my jam.
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I can see how they would be the wrong fit for the tone that Kathleen Kennedy was going for, but you'd think they'd have had more forethought with that when it came to choosing directors. They've mostly done comedies, and ones that aren't visually brilliantly shot or anything when it comes to the live action ones.
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Shoulda gotten the Russo brothers.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Shoulda gotten the Coen brothers.
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All of this talk about "culture clash" really makes me hope that Kathleen Kennedy showed up to set one day, only to discover a Rodney Dangerfield-esque booze and boob party. Then her monocle popped off and she expelled Lord & Miller from the studio grounds.
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Abner Assington posted:Ron Howard is cool, so get him. The whole thing sucks, no doubt. But Howard's biggest weakness is an affinity for godawful scripts. He's a solid craftsman who won't rock the boat. He can't reverse the lovely decision, but if it had to happen, he's probably as good as we can hope given that we obviously weren't going to get a brilliant auteur to come in and do their thing.
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I won't judge a movie before it's even finished but I think it's safe to say this movie very well may suck. I mean the more and more we hear about this the more and more it sounds like a total cluster f***.
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They wanted a "Western feel", so just have Kasdan take over.
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Hell, bring in Sam Raimi. My dude is well-familiar with tackling both big-budget effect flicks and studio meddling. I mainly say that because I want to see someone chase Greedo around with a camera strapped to a dirtbike, but really, who doesn't?
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This is starting to sound almost worse than Star Trek Discovery, and that's saying something.
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They are 6 months into filming, they are not looking for someone to bring their own unique style to the movie, they're looking for someone who is going to keep the project going so that it still comes out next May. In that respect, Ron Howard is a very good choice because Ron Howard is talented and respected enough that he'll be able to keep the ship afloat.
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Ron Howard also has nice historical ties with Lucasfilm through Willow. If he does come on, I'm sure he'll finish it out for now. They'll then regroup with him, and plan for extensive reshoots in September/October where he can course correct as needed. I trust Lucasfilm at this point, because they "fixed" whatever was wrong with Rogue One essentially 7 months before release and still had a solid movie which I quite enjoyed. They still have a year to go here.
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I'm calling it now, they'll hire James Gunn to try and ease the geeks, and the film might turn out alrightish but nowhere near as interesting as it would've been with Lord and Miller. Not that James Gunn is a slouch, but I'm sure any filmmaker coming on in the last minute to complete a film, and not just do a few reshoots and editing touches, won't gel much with what already existed.
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Teek posted:Ron Howard also has nice historical ties with Lucasfilm through Willow. Well, the official story on Rogue One was that the action scenes were a little to intense or something, and they were getting shots that were a little less brutal.
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Maxwell Lord posted:That's not really how Hollywood works, and even if it were, they're probably too far along in development now. It's pretty obvious that Lord and Miller were fired solely to make this post look silly in hindsight.
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ruddiger posted:There isn't a doubt in my mind that the stresses of the new Star Wars shoot aided in her relapse and ultimately killed her. So Disney is now responsible for making episode 7 so bland and lame they make the prequel trilogy look like high cinema, completely botching rogue one and having to hire a clean up crew of directors and editors try and salvage the film, had to cancel a boba fett movie because their choice of director was a junkie and they couldn't find a replacement director in time to meet Bob Igers insane release schedule, botched a han solo movie that didn't even need to get made with high profile directors leaving the project AND killing Carrie Fisher because of stressful shoots. Talk about ruining Star Wars
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Mr President posted:So Disney is now responsible for making episode 7 so bland and lame they make the prequel trilogy look like high cinema, completely botching rogue one and having to hire a clean up crew of directors and editors try and salvage the film, had to cancel a boba fett movie because their choice of director was a junkie and they couldn't find a replacement director in time to meet Bob Igers insane release schedule, botched a han solo movie that didn't even need to get made with high profile directors leaving the project AND killing Carrie Fisher because of stressful shoots. Well, I don't know that I'd say they're really responsible for killing Carrie Fisher. Also I'm not sure we know yet what really went on during Rogue One's production, and lots of people seemed to really like it even though I'd agree with you that large portions of it were a slog.
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Maybe they should just remake ESB and ROTJ to go along with the ANH remake and stop making new starwars movies for a few years until they have invested in an AI to write and direct all future projects.
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Guys, lets not start judging this movie until we see the Rotten Tomatoes score and some youtube reviews, ok?
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UmOk posted:Guys, lets not start judging this movie until we see the Rotten Tomatoes score and some youtube reviews, ok? We won't know that it's Star Wars done right until somebody on the internet tells us that it's finally Star Wars done right
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IanTheM posted:I can see how they would be the wrong fit for the tone that Kathleen Kennedy was going for, but you'd think they'd have had more forethought with that when it came to choosing directors. They've mostly done comedies, and ones that aren't visually brilliantly shot or anything when it comes to the live action ones. The most bizarre thing is that it comes after six months of shooting. Why now? What was the straw that broke the camel's back to fire them when production is very nearly done?
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Ron Howard directing a Han Solo movie is sort of an American Graffiti reunion.
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I wonder if tonally the movie was coming off more as a spoof of Star Wars than feeling like actual Star Wars. Like they were taking what should have been serious or neutral on the page, and made it tongue in cheek. I'm not seeing many people address Kasdan being unhappy with how they were doing it either. He was both the writer and an executive producer on the project, and if he wasn't happy with how they were treating the material he wrote, that seems like a recipe to get fired. Teek fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:This is starting to sound almost worse than Star Trek Discovery, and that's saying something. What's the news on that?
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Milky Moor posted:What's the news on that? Announced two years ago with Bryan Fuller at the helm, thirteen-episode season with a single story arc. Originally scheduled to start shooting in August of last year to meet a January 2017 launch date. August rolls around, and they haven't even started casting or working on the sets because Fuller's a notorious perfectionist prima donna and was still working on just the pilot script and hadn't even begun working on the stories for the next twelve episodes - so literally all CBS can show at its big TCA event is a terribly animated CGI teaser with the title and logo. CBS delays things for a month or two to give Fuller a little more time. Fuller continues to fart around (bear in mind he was also busy with American Gods) and only has the scripts for the first two episodes completed. CBS fires him and replaces him with two producers who have never run a TV show before, and hires Akiva Goldman to help out in the writers' room. The series is delayed from January to May. Turns out they don't even start shooting the series until the last week of January (when CBS announces a nebulous "fall 2017" release), and it takes them two months to shoot just the pilot episode (and midway through filming, one actor literally had his role switched from a Klingon to a Starfleet officer). They're still making casting announcements well into March. Insiders report that sets are being designed, built and then torn down because scripts are constantly changing. In May, CBS announces the episode order has been upped to fifteen. Last week, CBS announces a September 24 launch. Oh, and this is also the TV show that will air its first episode on CBS, then release episodes weekly on the $10/month CBS All Access streaming service. After the first eight, there will be a two-plus month hiatus (almost assuredly to buy them more post-production time) before the last seven begin coming out in January or February.
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Timby posted:Oh, and this is also the TV show that will air its first episode on CBS, then release episodes weekly on the $10/month CBS All Access streaming service. After the first eight, there will be a two-plus month hiatus (almost assuredly to buy them more post-production time) before the last seven begin coming out in January or February. I genuinely look forward to this plan failing spectacularly. CBS's main demo is old people, so they aren't likely to sign up for an online service. And this plan to "hook the nerds" with Star Trek just feels destined for failure, since there's nothing else on CBS they'd care about. They'd be paying $10 per month just for the new Star Trek show. I mean, some Trekkies will, sure, but not enough to keep the service afloat. And I don't know who else would pay $10 per month for the rest of the CBS lineup. New Star Trek will be the most pirated show this side of Game of Thrones.
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