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Brony Car posted:Is a large part of what makes populism palatable for a lot of voters involves alienating minorities? What the gently caress? Of course not.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:What the gently caress? Of course not. Protectionist trade policies made more "authentic" by railing against illegal immigrants and building walls?
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Brony Car posted:Protectionist trade policies made more "authentic" by railing against illegal immigrants and building walls? Just because horrible right wing fringe "populism" is all you're aware of doesn't change what the word means. Bernie or Corbyn fit the definition better.
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JeffersonClay posted:So we've moved from "phrenology" to "did not use empirically valid measurements (20 years before they were created)". I'll concede that Hillary Clinton was not a time traveler. Diagnosing someone without relying on empirically valid measurements is exactly as valid as phrenology (ie, not at all). And of course you're still playing dumb and refusing to acknowledge the problem was ""emotional intelligence"" used as a justification for enslaving black people (well that and state budget deficits lol).
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quote:Republican Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff Tuesday in a special election to fill a Georgia congressional seat, dashing Democrats’ hopes of flipping a House district in order to build momentum ahead of the 2018 midterms. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/handel-wins-georgia-special-election quote:The democrats are a waste.
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Isn't Ossof just the kind of lovely dem that JC would pop a boner over? If we get our wave election in 2018 but it's a bunch of centrist fucks, will it even be worth it?
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Social Security has calculated US median wages are 65% of average wages. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html Seattle-Tacoma's average wage is $30.40, so a rough estimate of a median wage is $19.76. So a $13 dollar minimum wage is a .66 ratio to local median wages. In the context of the US overall ($23.86 AW), this is roughly equivalent to a $10.23 minimum (roughly). That said, according to Berkeley we haven't reached the point where there are major employment effects. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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So this makes how many seats lost by Obama exactly? I stopped counting once it got to four digits.WampaLord posted:Isn't Ossof just the kind of lovely dem that JC would pop a boner over? It's going to be a wave, but in the other direction. Which is probably for the best because Trump vs. a veto-proof Congress is a real interesting battle, a real Aliens vs. Predator type of deal.
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JeffersonClay posted:Do you think single payer healthcare is literally the only issue on which politicians might hold a strong position? Democrats like Ossoff and Quist certainly have strong beliefs about repealing the ACA and are campaigning on those beliefs. I'm happy they're not listening to the morons in this thread more worried about their purity than winning elections. Good thing Ossoff maintained his anti-UHC purity, since he didn't win lol
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[quote="“VitalSigns”" post="“473605862”"] Good thing Ossoff maintained his anti-UHC purity, since he didn’t win lol [/quote] But you see he wouldn’t have done as good as he did in a deep red district....
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Can we try Left wing populism now?
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In total fairness, the worthlessness of the democrats in these three elections is not in running Ossoff. That district is a solid 35% luxury car dealerships and pool maintenance outlets by volume. If there is any place that brand of candidate belongs, it is there. The worthlessness is in deciding of the three districts available to try to flip, a proper allocation of resources is 0 to the guy in Kansas, the bare minimum to the left-winger in Montana, and five loving million to the thesis "we can get suburban republicans to vote dem, you guys, honest, unlike the last ten years this time it will work" in Georgia.
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The Kingfish posted:Can we try Left wing populism now? do not gently caress with guns, and sure
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Blue Raider posted:do not gently caress with guns, and sure Honestly gently caress gun grabbers
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Ze Pollack posted:In total fairness, the worthlessness of the democrats in these three elections is not in running Ossoff. That district is a solid 35% luxury car dealerships and pool maintenance outlets by volume. If there is any place that brand of candidate belongs, it is there. Except this time they can't even fall back on "BUT THE POPULAR VOTE!!!!".
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oh, give them time, they'll come up with an excuse. the illusion that their golfing buddies have any reason to listen to them politically cannot fail, it can only be failed
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WampaLord posted:Isn't Ossof just the kind of lovely dem that JC would pop a boner over? At this point a bunch of centrist fucks won't even win
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Ze Pollack posted:In total fairness, the worthlessness of the democrats in these three elections is not in running Ossoff. That district is a solid 35% luxury car dealerships and pool maintenance outlets by volume. If there is any place that brand of candidate belongs, it is there. The claim that Ossoff could win a Republican district by running against health care for Americans was always stupid though. Ze Pollack posted:The worthlessness is in deciding of the three districts available to try to flip, a proper allocation of resources is 0 to the guy in Kansas, the bare minimum to the left-winger in Montana, and five loving million to the thesis "we can get suburban republicans to vote dem, you guys, honest, unlike the last ten years this time it will work" in Georgia. Exactly. Millions of dollars on a bet that a Republican-lite could get the rich to vote against their race and class interests finally so we don't have to have poor people in the party anymore, and a pittance to areas with the people who would actually benefit from what Democrats have to offer them. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:The claim that Ossoff could win a Republican district by running against giving health care for Americans was always stupid though. Dude didn’t even back $15 mw
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Centrists are basically Republicans that can't win elections. In that light, it's impossible to get upset over what amounted to a Republican primary. If Hillary Clinton couldn't beat Donald loving Trump, Ossoff, a considerably less fearsome candidate, was never going to beat a conservative with bona fides.
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A New Harvard Study Just Shattered the Biggest Myth About Bernie Supporters: In the face of endless propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Just because horrible right wing fringe "populism" is all you're aware of doesn't change what the word means. Bernie or Corbyn fit the definition better. Bernie had issues reaching out to minority voters and was counting on economic populism to win them over and it didn't work. Populism and identity politics aren't mutually exclusive, but they aren't ready partners either.
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https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/877353969420353537 https://twitter.com/jeffroe/status/877285835124682752 DCCC IE's GA-06: $4,992,130 KS-04: zero SC-05: zero MT-AL: $340,000 Total of KS-04,MT-AL,SC-05: $340,000 KS-04: +20 pts compared to HRC SC-05: +16 pts compared to HRC MT-AL: +14 compared to HRC GA-06: -3.7 pts compared to HRC mila kunis fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Brony Car posted:Bernie had issues reaching out to minority voters and was counting on economic populism to win them over and it didn't work. Kokoro Wish posted:A New Harvard Study Just Shattered the Biggest Myth About Bernie Supporters: In the face of endless propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men.
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Kokoro Wish posted:A New Harvard Study Just Shattered the Biggest Myth About Bernie Supporters: In the face of endless propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men. And this is why the Democrats will never get my vote ever again until they do some major house cleaning. They are just Republican Lite: Same lovely taste with half the calories.
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Brony Car posted:Bernie had issues reaching out to minority voters and was counting on economic populism to win them over and it didn't work. otoh jeremy corbyn
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Lol the Panera bread strategy is in shambles. gently caress off and vote gop centrists.
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This argument doesn't really address my point. It's not really surprising that a well-known liberal politician is more popular among women and minorities than he is among white males, right? It's an interesting poll, but did the poll compare Sanders versus Clinton in 2016? It's a measure of how people are looking under President Trump right now, no? Sanders versus 16 other currently prominent political figures including Trump, Ryan and McConnell? I'd like to see how Sanders' message works in another political race. Maybe things will be different and he's be more responsive to minority concerns.
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Brony Car posted:Maybe things will be different and he's be more responsive to minority concerns.
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The Kingfish posted:Honestly gently caress gun grabbers This. So this.
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Brony Car posted:This argument doesn't really address my point. It's not really surprising that a well-known liberal politician is more popular among women and minorities than he is among white males, right? holy poo poo dude the goalposts were like three miles back that way.
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https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/877367888037818368 Democratic campaigns make more sense when you view them as vehicles for grift and giving each other money than actual attempts to win and/or improve the country. What's odd is why donors continue to waste money on these losers.
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Pollyanna posted:The only things worse than the Democrats are the Republicans.  "Because forward is the way forward."
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Hillary's billion dollar campaign was like the scam from the producers except successful.
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tekz posted:https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/877367888037818368 Yup. When someone asks you for money to do a thing and repeatedly fails to do that thing you should stop giving them any more money because you are the victim of a scam or something indistinguishable from a scam.
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This is why I say some chairs better be thrown at conventions.
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Kokoro Wish posted:A New Harvard Study Just Shattered the Biggest Myth About Bernie Supporters: In the face of endless propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men. I'm glad that a left-wing politician is more popular among minorities and women than among whites and men. The opposite is what would be news. This is a bad article except maybe the Daily Kos quote, which is not the central "we are bad at statistics or being intentionally dishonest" thesis.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:holy poo poo dude the goalposts were like three miles back that way. I'm not moving the goalposts. I just think you're reading too much into that Resistance Report link. Don't get me wrong. I'll support and vote for another McGovern or Mondale. I just won't be surprised when he or she loses as I don't think you're going to see a big leftward shift in a lot of this country without a massive and undeniable failure of Republican policies (which the Democrats will hopefully be able to pounce on instead of offering some halfass crotique). NewForumSoftware posted:the only people unresponsive to minority concerns are hillary voters And all the minorities who voted for her? Come on.
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