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ziggurat posted:i am the only person itt who has ever been to the thriving township of bogan gate, i have supped and slept there, and i saw a flock of wild cockatiels flying free in the desert sunset i grew up in the desert, you merely adopted it!
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open24hours posted:It's as much a pejorative for snobby Guardian readers as it is a reference to an actual class. Fine, it has just become so overly misused that sometimes it's hard to tell
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I honestly prefer people identifying as middle class than believing that bullshit that Australia doesn't have a class system, because it's slightly less overt than Britain's.
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starkebn posted:Fine, it has just become so overly misused that sometimes it's hard to tell There is a class structure: I would characterise it as the rich, the managerial class, the political class, the employed, the working poor, and everyone else in order of who looks down on who, and who gives the orders. Maybe we should classify full time and part time in that, but I tend to think part timers are working poor anyway. But upper, middle, and working divisions are just as useless today as white and blue collars.
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ewe2 posted:There is a class structure: I would characterise it as the rich, the managerial class, the political class, the employed, the working poor, and everyone else in order of who looks down on who, and who gives the orders. Maybe we should classify full time and part time in that, but I tend to think part timers are working poor anyway. But upper, middle, and working divisions are just as useless today as white and blue collars. I'm seeing this spectrum juxtaposed against that PETA "Where do you draw the line" billboard about food v. cuddly pets; except with regard to where we start feeding the guillotines.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I honestly prefer people identifying as middle class than believing that bullshit that Australia doesn't have a class system, because it's slightly less overt than Britain's. I like British white collar poor people that treat blue collars like poo poo despite earning half their income and being perpetually on the brink of suicide.
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ewe2 posted:There is a class structure: I would characterise it as the rich, the managerial class, the political class, the employed, the working poor, and everyone else in order of who looks down on who, and who gives the orders. Maybe we should classify full time and part time in that, but I tend to think part timers are working poor anyway. But upper, middle, and working divisions are just as useless today as white and blue collars. I was thinking along the same lines while eating lunch just now. I would maybe call the rich 'Owners' but I don't know if that's too muddying of the waters
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I think the most important divisions are the owner/investor class, managerial class, employees and labour hire/casual/serf class. Oh and if you go sideways between employee and managerial you get cashed up bogans in utes that work for themselves, but the great housing implosion will kill them down to labour hire.
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Owners isn't a bad name but doesn't quite reach the parasitical nature of it. Someone argued that they're really just the new aristocracy but are too scared to admit it. I look at the political response to Grenfell as a good example of their detachment and greed.
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two classes then - Glorious Job Creators or Leaners
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starkebn posted:two classes then - Glorious Job Creators or Leaners
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...dfa0d7648fc6180quote:Pauline Hanson says autistic kids should be removed from mainstream classes Pauline Hanson can gently caress right off a cliff into a ravine and take Queensland with her
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NXT and PHON pushing Gonski 2.0: gently caress the Children through. https://twitter.com/srpeatling/status/877328861733638144
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Bogan King posted:NXT and PHON pushing Gonski 2.0: gently caress the Children through. PHON macht frei.
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Never fear, catholic schools will stay rich because something something base.
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gently caress me dead. People are attacking the head of the RBA like he is the CEO of a public bank after he said workers should demand higher wages, which flies hard counter to the bullshit the government of Australia shovels down people's necks day in day out. He is literally saying "things are pretty good and getting better in my opinion as the country's head economist, so get stuck into your boss or whatever other authority is available to boost your increase each year" and people are maligning him as an out of touch fuckhead. Meanwhile private sector unionism sits at 10%
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tithin posted:http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...dfa0d7648fc6180 It would be so easy to make a similar argument to this but not come across as scum too
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JBP posted:gently caress me dead. People are attacking the head of the RBA like he is the CEO of a public bank after he said workers should demand higher wages, which flies hard counter to the bullshit the government of Australia shovels down people's necks day in day out. He is literally saying "things are pretty good and getting better in my opinion as the country's head economist, so get stuck into your boss or whatever other authority is available to boost your increase each year" and people are maligning him as an out of touch fuckhead. They've won. When the starkebn fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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JBP posted:gently caress me dead. People are attacking the head of the RBA like he is the CEO of a public bank after he said workers should demand higher wages, which flies hard counter to the bullshit the government of Australia shovels down people's necks day in day out. He is literally saying "things are pretty good and getting better in my opinion as the country's head economist, so get stuck into your boss or whatever other authority is available to boost your increase each year" and people are maligning him as an out of touch fuckhead. Counterpoint: I'm on a bargaining team and our CFO just blew up 12 months worth of negotiations over a few hundred thousand dollars (out of a > half billion dollar salaries bill) The head of the RBA needs to be telling employers to stop being shitheads TBQH. Edit: Like seriously, if you think that unions and employee advocates have the capability to get more money out of the enterprise bargaining process in TYOOL 2017 than they already are, you're an out of touch fuckhead. Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Pauline loving Hanson posted:We need to get rid of those people What the gently caress
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Don Dongington posted:Counterpoint: I'm on a bargaining team and our CFO just blew up 12 months worth of negotiations over a few hundred thousand dollars (out of a > half billion dollar salaries bill) Your CFO is a scumbag and I'm sorry to hear that. I also assume you don't have enough people to back you up in punching his lights out industrially? He doesn't have the power to do that and he has made repeated statements about corporate profits being out of proportion to wage increases. All he can do is comment on the economics being right for workers to get paid more and the ball is in your court as a worker to make the demand or cast the vote.
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MonoAus posted:What
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Bill Shorten is a hero of the working class. Attacking the educated elite is the new ALP line.
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I think the time is soon that people will start gradually making higher wage claims (or unionising lol), because the economics are also saying that people are running out of savings to draw down to maintain their living conditions. When this happens it either triggers a
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Bogan King posted:Bill Shorten is a hero of the working class. Attacking the educated elite is the new ALP line. For fucks sake. So much for the old educated progressives. Full Trump now.
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Only the philosopher kings.
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JBP posted:For fucks sake. So much for the old educated progressives. Full Trump now. This is just a ham fisted way of saying that the White Australia policy that Dutton wants is dumb. ------------------------------------ Despite being removed from the equation completely now, Greens are still unable to commit to a position on Gonski.
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Bogan King posted:Bill Shorten is a hero of the working class. Attacking the educated elite is the new ALP line. Bill Shorten (Xavier College)
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I think he's right, BTW, but an arts/law aristocrat like himself doesn't get to say it.
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I haven't even checked if that's what he studied, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't
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JBP posted:Your CFO is a scumbag and I'm sorry to hear that. I also assume you don't have enough people to back you up in punching his lights out industrially? Again, you need to look at this in the context of the present industrial relations landscape. We have a WA University who have a very good chance of winning a bid to have their existing EBA struck down, returning them to the award rate (our estimates put that at a 30-35% real reduction in take home pay). At least one local industrial firm have already achieved this in the commission, and employers across the state are eyeing this option off very seriously. The same university have also engaged a union-busting law firm in order to pursue litigation against the Union staff on their bargaining team. The other universities are refusing to negotiate on pay full stop, with offers below 1% P/A across the board, and are quite likely assessing their chances of getting a non-union ballot through with that figure and a vast reduction in entitlements. Industrial action has to date resulted in nothing but increased vitriol from the employers. The commission have been steadily becoming more supportive of this type of action by employers, to the point of working to actively cut take home pay for casuals. The actions of the so-called "independent" umpire are in absolute contrast with assertions from the RBA that employers are in a good place right now. So I would argue that the ball is so far out of our court that people are right to criticise the statement as being out of touch.
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Don Dongington posted:Again, you need to look at this in the context of the present industrial relations landscape. It is even more urgent that workers fight hard given the current landscape. I've worked for 8 years in unions and been through 80+ EBA negotiations. Everything you say is correct and I don't deny it in any way, but it doesn't change the fact that something has to give and what must give is employers. The country desperately needs a general strike or for anyone under the age of 40 to stop paying their taxes for a year to punish hosed governance. This kind of thing is just a pipedream though because Australia has an industrially defeated population and people like you have to fight single battles at the enterprise level. It's Bob Hawke and Paul Keating's fault. Don Dongington posted:The commission have been steadily becoming more supportive of this type of action by employers, to the point of working to actively cut take home pay for casuals. The actions of the so-called "independent" umpire are in absolute contrast with assertions from the RBA that employers are in a good place right now. People thinking Fair Work is a friend or service to employees is the biggest loving snake oil lie of all. e: ee: maybe don't if they're at the stage of sending legal letters and monitoring communications poo poo, even if the chance of it being seen here is very small. JBP fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Spotted in the wild today
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ewe2 posted:There is a class structure: I would characterise it as the rich, the managerial class, the political class, the employed, the working poor, and everyone else in order of who looks down on who, and who gives the orders. Maybe we should classify full time and part time in that, but I tend to think part timers are working poor anyway. But upper, middle, and working divisions are just as useless today as white and blue collars. The managerial class might be above the political class in terms of snobbery (the only time when looking down on a class is correct and good) but I'm not sure they have the power to give them orders.
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Bogan King posted:Spotted in the wild today barcode placement preserves modesty
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:The managerial class might be above the political class in terms of snobbery (the only time when looking down on a class is correct and good) but I'm not sure they have the power to give them orders. Why do you think they're so against donation reform?
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JBP posted:e: Yeah I can't really do that without potentially compromising one thing or the other. It's not a simple matter of just saying "give us what we asked for or we're pulling our labour", regardless. I genuinely believe things were better before the Libs were in a position to start stacking the commission. If Labor wanted a sure bet at the next election, it definitely wouldn't hurt them to run on a platform of well-defined IR reform (or a platform, period). Removing the loopholes that allow employers to game the FWC would be #1. Removing the financial penalties for withholding labour (but allowing you to be fired or stood down if you just go "lol I'm on strike") would still be reasonable. I don't think it would require too much tweaking to restore balance and fix wage stagnation, casualisation and reduce the days of free labour employees are being forced to give away every year. Even Labor SHOULD be able to commit themselves to that. It's not like we're asking for them to nationalise the banks* *But they should
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JBP posted:anyone under the age of 40 to stop paying their taxes for a year lmao PAYG says no bitch
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Lizard Combatant posted:barcode placement preserves modesty 
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