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I, Butthole posted:well wouldn't having all the autistic kids in one place mean improved herd immunity among them? I like this post.
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Well probably not anymore, the libs gutted the original gonski reforms into this weird mess
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I read something recently where a big thing teachers feel they're not prepared for when it comes to getting into the profession is dealing with kids with special needs. I'm pretty sure shortly after I graduated with my Masters, there was talk of Melbourne Uni introducing a subject about dealing with autistic students. There're a lot more of them out there in the classroom than people think and they can be a difficulty, and there's a lot of teachers who are convinced they'll be a difficulty. Hello, feedback loop. But the answer isn't removing them from the system, particularly when I'm pretty sure the 'special schools' have been gutted for years. Where are these kids going to go? The schools which all the other kids mock? Segregated classes to the same effect? These kids need to be included, because it's the only way to make people not abuse them. I went to primary and most of secondary school with a kid with Down Syndrome. Sam was an amazing kid. Everyone loved him and took care of him and helped him out, even when he could become a real handful. But he also had two dedicated teaching aides and generally operated on his own basis when it came to classroom education. He still took part in things, even had lines in the Year 9 play. But a lot of had known him since Prep, so, we were used to him and stood up for him when newer kids tried to get him in trouble. The teachers knew him. Everyone knew him and was sad when he left at the end of Year 9. I think everyone assumed he'd be there until Year 12, with everyone else. And that says wonders for how everyone viewed him. When I read something of Tithin's, about kids telling kids like that that their brain is broken. I just don't get it. No one ever did that to Sam. As mentioned, maybe it was because we'd grown up with him. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of teachers out there who espouse the line that they need to devote a disproportionate amount of time and resources to kids like that in their classes. As far as I know, public schools are supposed to have a certain number of teaching aides for the kids who require them, but also most public schools simply don't get them. The whole thing is messed up.
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racing identity posted:Teachers are absolutely not given the appropriate resources or training to manage classes with diverse learning requirements This is true, too. But I'm pretty sure Anidav was quoting a dumb Internet comment.
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ziggurat posted:bitch i come from the tribe of judah i come from the land down under
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ziggurat posted:sorry i just really loving hate pauline You are missed
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Even with bad funding teachers shouldn't even consider the line of thinking Pauline is talking about.
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What if you are a teacher that simply doesn't like teaching kids with autism? e: not in a rude way, but these people exist
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Some teachers are bad people. Like the social studies / poli sci teachers that kick students out of class rooms for arguing in favour of socialism
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JBP posted:What if you are a teacher that simply doesn't like teaching kids with autism? They can gently caress off out the industry
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Yeah I mean it's part of the ticket, you cannot exclude children from your learning environment because they make your job harder.
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Don Dongington posted:Some teachers are bad people. Like the social studies / poli sci teachers that kick students out of class rooms for arguing in favour of socialism I got the insane inverse of this: my bemulleted history/sport teacher taught me about the Marxist model of history.
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Macquarie Bank executives drug colleague with valium and laxatives http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/macquarie-bankers-drug-colleague-with-valium-and-laxatives-20170621-gwvb8e.html 
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Lid posted:Macquarie Bank executives drug colleague with valium and laxatives Well... a banker stoned out of his mind and making GBS threads himself is pretty funny...
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Mr Rosenbaum, who continues to work in the stockbroking industry, wrote in the email: "...Chilean style, don't fark with me, u end up down the rabbit hole".
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ziggurat posted:sorry i just really loving hate pauline just wanna say you have my moral support for murdering your political enemies (not practical support because i'm a coward)
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BBJoey posted:just wanna say you have my moral support for murdering your political enemies (not practical support because i'm a coward) At least be a McKenzie Friend when she goes to court.
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JBP posted:Nothing will destroy capitalism because everyone has a #personalbrand now and they think when they post a sad story on facebook that people will actually give a gently caress about them as an individual rather than simply let them die face down and stomp on their head to get a loaf of bread. Nothing will destroy capitalism because brands are our new tribes. Anidav posted:Like any teacher worth their weight is fully trained for all kinds of kids and alot of schools offer kids who need it assistant teachers who accompany kids in vital classrooms like maths ect. Bigger classrooms have sub teachers who assist the main teacher too and I hear classrooms have iPads and Laptops these days so whatever teachers are telling Pauline Hanson to kick autistic kids out of classrooms is in the wrong profession. Which planet are you from again?
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Anidav posted:Yeah I mean it's part of the ticket, you cannot exclude children from your learning environment because they make your job harder. I feel like you should do a teaching degree then take a high school class in a low socio economic area then report back with your findings.
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DancingShade posted:I feel like you should do a teaching degree then take a high school class in a low socio economic area then report back with your findings. So Dancing Shade take your completely refuted bullshit somewhere else. Completely refuted. You made the challenge these are the results. Sorry that they make you look like a jerk.
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Cartoon posted:Challenge excepted. Is it OK that I did all the qualification stuff before you asked? I especially focus on the special needs kids. One time I only found out the fifteen year old couldn't read because I devoted enough one on one time. Let's be brutally frank: The HSC isn't all that loving hard. If you are bright and apply yourself you'll do well despite the attention of any number of teachers. These are the students that are being put forward as the ones being disadvantaged by being disrupted by the less able. Even that part of the premise is bullshit. What is really really hosed up is the mental process that divides society into worthy/not worthy. gently caress That Noise. Seriously that is the asperational John Galt bootstraps bullshit that sees the gap between rich and poor get wider every day. You know like what's happening here in Australia. That's cool. Teaching is only one of my degrees and I moved on many years ago. I hope you were a curriculum lead for your school. Also John Galt? lol I have to now ask, is Anidav an alt account of yours? DancingShade fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Cartoon is my protector
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Anidav posted:Cartoon is my protector 
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DancingShade posted:I have to now ask, is Anidav an alt account of yours?
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Cartoon posted:Challenge excepted. Is it OK that I did all the qualification stuff before you asked? I especially focus on the special needs kids. One time I only found out the fifteen year old couldn't read because I devoted enough one on one time. Let's be brutally frank: The HSC isn't all that loving hard. If you are bright and apply yourself you'll do well despite the attention of any number of teachers. You say a lot of poo poo, Cartoon, but this might just take the cake.
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I'll have you know I use my level 9 wizard powers to zap knowledge right into the brains directly. It saves a lot of time and hassle. My mentor was quadruple professor Adonis C. Nut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvkrcWE9Mkc&t=63s DancingShade fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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"If students are intelligent and motivated, they'll do well!" No poo poo, Sherlock. What about the kids who aren't intelligent, aren't motivated, were failed by their previous teachers, have a home life that prevents them from focusing on their studies, have peers who think it's 'uncool' to display initiative or intelligence, etc. etc. etc.
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Presumably they'd be included in the list of 'kids who need help and attention', unless you're suggesting that teaching certain groups of disadvantaged kids justifies removing another group of disadvantaged kids. e. perhaps there should be a 'disadvantage' scale where if you're too disadvantaged you get cut off from
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*watches Milky Moor slowly turn into a giant Pauline Hanson Decepticon*
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Well obviously if the kids don't turn up to the cathedral on Sundays for Tony Abbott's sermon then they should be cut off from further support as the devil's spawn. Get touched up by a priest? Don't question God's work heathen.
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meteor9 posted:Presumably they'd be included in the list of 'kids who need help and attention', unless you're suggesting that teaching certain groups of disadvantaged kids justifies removing another group of disadvantaged kids. No. I'm arguing against someone who implies that anyone who doesn't succeed at secondary education is a lazy idiot, like some weird educational variant of the bootstraps argument. What, do people think the average kid comes to the HSC or VCE or whatever with the skills, knowledge, and background they need to apply themselves to their learning? I'm actually the one saying that kids who need help and attention are more than "kids that are autistic" and "kids that can't read". Because that latter category -- if expanded to kids who read below their expected level -- is huge. There're plenty of secondary school classrooms where Year 11 kids can't really read at an appropriate level, where they still need to sound words -- and these aren't poor schools by any metric. In 2013, a study found that 44% of Australians have such low levels of literacy that they have difficulty with daily tasks. That's huge! Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Oh, and if you think I've argued that kids with special needs should be "gotten rid of", then you might just fall into that 44% edit: "But the answer isn't removing them from the system... These kids need to be included..."
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They should make those mandatory bible bashers I mean federal funded religious education teachers (you know, the ones we have instead of actual student counselors now) trained in managing special needs students. Maybe they'd be put to good use then helping out the various classes as TAs instead of feeling up the students after beating them senseless with a hardback King James.
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DancingShade posted:They should make those mandatory bible bashers I mean federal funded religious education teachers (you know, the ones we have instead of actual student counselors now) trained in managing special needs students. This can only, and in the past has only, gone really well for everyone involved.
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Zenithe posted:This can only, and in the past has only, gone really well for everyone involved. Exactly! What could possibly go wrong? We could get a respected 3rd party who understands Australia to oversee operations. I'm thinking George Pell.
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D&D, the shittiest thread.
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Save us Raptorfag.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Save us Pavel.
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