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Elotana posted:Democrats should get rid of Pelosi because voters hate her. As of February she had a net favorability of -25 according to NBC. "We should get rid of every single person the Republicans ratfuck people into disliking" is a great way to assure you have nobody left. It also proves that all the Republicans have to do is make a concentrated attack effort and the Democrats will do their job for them.
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i loving love pelosi precisely because she pisses off Rs. boohoo we couldn't win newt gingrich's seat over it. god drat.
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awesmoe posted:same but paul ryan http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/paul-ryan-favorable-rating
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americans have been saying "all those people in congress are terrible and need to be purged. oh except for MY congressperson he's the absolute bestest" since 1792
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ImpAtom posted:"We should get rid of every single person the Republicans ratfuck people into disliking" is a great way to assure you have nobody left.
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AriadneThread posted:i'm getting some serious secondhand embarrassment here there's a great schadenfreude thread in PYF; this should be crossposted
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I just spoke to Paul Ryan and he told me if the Dems want to win in 2020 they should run Lena Dunham. Thoughts?
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Boon posted:Every single goddamn discussion about healthcare in this thread always focuses solely on who pays for healthcare and conveniently ignores cost drivers - assuming that a public option magics away any need to contain said costs. Let the government set a list of reimbursements for procedures and pharmaceuticals alakazam
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Dear leader is speaking in Des Moines, live feeds available. He still thinks he's running for the Presidency.
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Elotana posted:Again, look at the change over time. Politicians have a shelf life. Yes if you replaced Pelosi with another Democrat the Republicans would start ratfucking them. But that takes time, because voters are stupid and not paying attention and you need years and years to lock in the kind of disapproval ratings she has. That's why you change leadership every so often instead of keeping the same people in charge for more than ten years. right, except 2 years, because ryan
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Boon posted:Every single goddamn discussion about healthcare in this thread always focuses solely on who pays for healthcare and conveniently ignores cost drivers - assuming that a public option magics away any need to contain said costs. Cost drivers like hospitals negotiating with insurance providers, or how we code different procedures, or how people are getting older and we're really good at keeping old people alive, or how care providers bill patients are a definite thing that need to be addressed. However, if you live in a world where any of those things can be addressed in a way that doesn't get slaughtered by lobbyists or manage to screw over the poor, then I want to live in that world. While in an ideal situation there are tons of things on the surface that could be addressed to fix problems, realistically the best way to do this is to use the power of the federal government to lean on the entire industry. To do that you have to get as many people involved as possible, meaning you open up medicare or you buy out like BCBS and give them medicare rates. It's not ideal, but it's realistic.
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Boon posted:Every single goddamn discussion about healthcare in this thread always focuses solely on who pays for healthcare and conveniently ignores cost drivers - assuming that a public option magics away any need to contain said costs. You play around with the costs and services covered within the framework of a public option. Pretty much every other country does it
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awesmoe posted:right, except 2 years, because ryan
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Elotana posted:Democrats should get rid of Pelosi because voters hate her. As of February she had a net favorability of -25 according to NBC. Elotana posted:Again, look at the change over time. Politicians have a shelf life. Yes if you replaced Pelosi with another Democrat the Republicans would start ratfucking them. But that takes time, because voters are stupid and not paying attention and you need years and years to lock in the kind of disapproval ratings she has. Where the gently caress is your self-respect and dignity? Politicians have a shelf-life? What the gently caress are you even talking about? Goddamn, you're a coward. I'm literally upset that you're just parroting stupid bullshit the GOP wants idiots like you to parrot. Get mad, stand up for your leaders who have been effective. Ffs.
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Elotana posted:Again, look at the change over time. Politicians have a shelf life. Yes if you replaced Pelosi with another Democrat the Republicans would start ratfucking them. But that takes time, because voters are stupid and not paying attention and you need years and years to lock in the kind of disapproval ratings she has. That's why you change leadership every so often instead of keeping the same people in charge for more than ten years. Who was the last leader to hold on to party leadership AFTER they lost congress? That's a good natural breaking point.
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Lightning Lord posted:You play around with the costs and services covered within the framework of a public option. Pretty much every other country does it Yes, this is true. Our country also has far widened expectations of what healthcare entails, which turns out to be far more expensive. The medical device industry is built on that. E: I'm not saying it's not possible, I am saying you have no idea how expansive care in the US is, culturally, and that means hard and unpopular decisions. Boon fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Elotana posted:I dunno if you heard but Ryan had a pretty high-profile gig several years before he became majority leader. So the only way to win elections is to never have anyone in leadership that the public has heard of? becuase I'm not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through
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Boon posted:Where the gently caress is your self-respect and dignity? Politicians have a shelf-life? What the gently caress are you even talking about? Great! Let's run Clinton again in 2020. She was an effective Senator and Sec State!
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Elotana posted:Again, look at the change over time. Politicians have a shelf life. Yes if you replaced Pelosi with another Democrat the Republicans would start ratfucking them. But that takes time, because voters are stupid and not paying attention and you need years and years to lock in the kind of disapproval ratings she has. That's why you change leadership every so often instead of keeping the same people in charge for more than ten years. can you point to a national election that was definitively a referendum on a single sitting congressperson
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Hellblazer187 posted:Great! Let's run Clinton again in 2020. She was an effective Senator and Sec State! Yes, this is what I said. Good job.
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ekeog posted:Specifically, Omarosa is posting this chart https://www2.usgs.gov/usgs-manual/handbook/hb/431-2-h/chap4.html from the United States Geological Survey's internal guidelines for addressing people as proof that she's officially The Honorable Omarosa. She is without honor.
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Boon posted:Yes, this is what I said. Good job. Stand up for leaders that have been effective, man.
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Mustached Demon posted:She is without honor. We've basically written Keith Olbermann's next monologue
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Boon posted:Yes, this is true. Our country also has far widened expectations of what healthcare entails. The medical device industry is built on that. Public options internationally usually include reduced or negotiated prices for qualifying devices. For example, if you require an assistive device that you will be using for six months or longer, the government of Ontario will pay for 75% of the costs incurred. You're on the hook for the other 25%. They also do not pay for glasses at all, for example. Also famously there's no dental, barring necessary dental surgery performed in a hospital. The idea that public option = everything free is GOP propaganda Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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My greatest political fear is that Hillary Clinton will run again in 2020
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Hollismason posted:My greatest political fear is that Hillary Clinton will run again in 2020 https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/877682418194423808
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Boon posted:Where the gently caress is your self-respect and dignity? Politicians have a shelf-life? What the gently caress are you even talking about? It's not like I want to see Pelosi replaced with some Blue Dog gently caress. If anything I'd prefer that Democrats go left. But regardless of the direction, they need a change, if only to reset the preconceptions of swing voters.
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Clinton should make it seem like she'll run in 2020 and then just not. Make Fox News waste their time on her instead of the real candidates.
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Boon posted:Every single goddamn discussion about healthcare in this thread always focuses solely on who pays for healthcare and conveniently ignores cost drivers - assuming that a public option magics away any need to contain said costs. It pretty much does. The cost is so much lower under a public option that it's functionally free money. There are reasons the costs are so much lower in other countries.
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Elotana posted:Yes if you replaced Pelosi with another Democrat the Republicans would start ratfucking them. But that takes time  lets see now, 30 frames per second, 120 frames, that comes to four seconds even
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Lightning Lord posted:Public options internationally usually include reduced or negotiated prices for qualifying devices. For example, if you require an assistive device that you will be using for six months or longer, the government of Ontario will pay for 75% of the costs incurred. You're on the hook for the other 25%. They also do not pay for glasses at all, for example. You mistake me. Who gets what treatments are often much more selective in other countries. In the US, everyone gets treatment so long as a method to pay for it is there. That's a cultural thing.
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Jun 22, 2017 01:20
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Glad we found a new way to have term limits chat
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https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/877682225797582851 trump still thinks people buy newspapers or sell newspapers
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Boon posted:Yes, this is true. Our country also has far widened expectations of what healthcare entails, which turns out to be far more expensive. The medical device industry is built on that. Mind giving examples of some of those kind of decisions that would have to be made?
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Elotana posted:I'm sorry you're Literally Upset and Mad Online but this is the truth. Pelosi has been the Dem leader since 2003. How many party leaders in any democratic legislature were still popular after 14 years? who do you suggest replace her?
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Jun 22, 2017 01:22
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Right the fact that one of the largest prescription service cannot negotiate prices probably has something to do with it.
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Y'all whining about Pelosi been duped by RWM.
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Boon posted:You mistake me. Who gets what treatments are often much more selective in other countries. Are you talking about surgical waiting lists that the GOP purposely misunderstands for propaganda use?
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