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Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

sean10mm posted:

You're not turning into a Bengal version of Parm, are you?

its hosed up to nom some boys based on your team being filled with shite heads and not follow through with the votes afterward. This is all just A dream. im sorry b-boy (means baby boy, not the other thing)

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 22, 2017

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King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

The posters responsible for nominating and seconding every person ever associated with the Bengals.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


King Hong Kong posted:

The posters responsible for nominating and seconding every person ever associated with the Bengals.

Seconded, though whoever nominated Pacman is ok.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

i didnt think they would get in. god drat it

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
Probably won't happen but I think Clay Travis has an outside shot at this whole thing. The main problem is so much of his race baiting bullshit is about things other than football.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

King Hong Kong posted:

The posters responsible for nominating and seconding every person ever associated with the Bengals.

Cavauro and Ches Neckbeard

iospace posted:

Seconded, though whoever nominated Pacman is ok.

Zurreco and... Cavauro

Cavauro posted:

i didnt think they would get in. god drat it

All these other whiners had to do was second a bunch more guys than then did

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

the bad spits were always good

Zurreco
Dec 27, 2004

Cutty approves.
Pacman and Vontaze are legit candidates :colbert:

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.
Clay Tavis is a horrible human being with incredibly wrong and dangerous opinions.

If he seriously thinks there is no systemic racism in America then he must live in a room with no windows or doors.

Also lol at his hot take about Kaep flipping voters to Trump. What a loving dumbass

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Well this one is a blowout and we still have more loving bengals to get through so I'm calling it here.

Clay Travis wins 30-3.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Everyone who insisted Kaep insulted the troops vs. Shawn Williams


Everyone who insisted Kaep insulted the troops
Last season during the preseason Colin Kaepernick quietly began kneeling during the national anthem before games. A few people noticed and when asked, he presented his case: he was doing it in protest of racial injustice and police brutality, particularly towards black men and other people of color.

Unfortunately for Kaepernick, he ran headfirst into a deeply, deeply ingrained conglomeration of American myths, passions, convictions, etc. that go well beyond the already deeply contentious issues of race and criminal justice in the US. We do not need to hash those all out here: reasonable people can disagree about whether his protest was "appropriate," had or has potential to be effective, can or cannot be separated from the man and his other opinions, and so on.

But one particular aspect of the backlash that rapidly built against Kaep that I found especially douchebaggy was the conflation of a protest during the National Anthem, and some kind of connection to the US military.

I think this article in the Atlantic from last year presents the problem reasonably well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/08/colin-kaepernick-nfl-patriotism/498014/

quote:

America’s most popular sports league is also its most visibly patriotic, a trait discernible in everything from pregame fighter-jet flyovers to field-sized flags to coaches’ instructions about the anthem during behind-the-scenes shows. It doesn’t require an extreme amount of cynicism or research to note that this is as much about industry acumen as love of country—the league has a brand, and the stars and stripes are a part of it—but like all branding, it works best when it is assumed as a matter of course. With his means of protest, then, Kaepernick is not only using his platform as an athlete to raise awareness about ongoing tragedies. He’s also, whether by design or not, questioning the NFL’s insistent but narrow definition of patriotism, shining a harsh light on its red-white-and-blue wallpaper.

Essentially, to the extent that Kaep's protest "insults the troops," that is only the case because the NFL specifically, and to a lesser degree the entire country generally, absolutely loving loves to drape any aspect relating to patriotism with military iconography. This is deeply, deeply ingrained: the actual words to the Star Spangled Banner were written by Francis Scott Key as a poem called Defence of Fort M'Henry about the US flag staying up during the night of a fearsome battle - the bombardment of an American fort by the British during the War of 1812. But that connection is not, today, inherent: we sing the national anthem in many contexts in which the military is uninvolved. There's something more going on here: the NFL and the Pentagon have a tight, and monetarily-based, partnership in which they engage in cross-promotion for branding purposes. Basically, the reason people who watch NFL football are thinking about the troops, is because the NFL and the US government have spend a fuckton of money making sure of it. Per that 2015 article:

quote:

As much as $6.8M has been spent by the Department of Defense on secret payments to pro sports teams in exchange for tributes to the military over the past four years.



But Kaepernick himself made clear from the very outset that his protest was specifically about police getting off scott free for the racist oppression and murder of black people.

quote:

A couple days after sitting for the anthem, Kaepernick addressed reporters and said his actions aren’t intended to insult the military. “I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country,” he said. “And they fight for freedom, they fight for the people, they fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. That’s not happening.”

And yet countless douchebags, including some of his own teammates, cannot take the man's word.

quote:

When asked about Kaepernick’s actions, his ex-teammate and now-Minnesota Viking Alex Boone, whose brother served as a Marine, spoke passionately. “That flag obviously gives him the right to do whatever he wants. I understand it. At the same time, you should have some loving respect for people who served, especially people that lost their life to protect our freedom.”

The response rests on certain assumptions. The anthem is, in Boone’s presentation, a means of honoring America’s military—not the country’s ideological foundation or its cultural or political history—and so Kaepernick is offending the military. Contrast this understanding with, say, that of the national anthems played for the victors at the Olympics. American medalists tend to report on the experience of hearing the anthem played as a prideful and reminiscent one that brings up visions of parents, hometowns, and training partners and coaches along the way. It is celebratory, not supplicant, patriotism.

Sure Boone, but Kaep explicitly and publicly expressed that respect. People were, and still are, wilfully ignoring it. Why? Because by insisting that the whole thing is about disrespecting the troops, they can ignore the actual issues being raised. We don't have to confront the fact of police violence against black men, and the legal and political systems that ignore, condone, or even promote it, if we can instead take the opportunity to be insulted on behalf of our troops, who we obviously must honor at any and every opportunity.

If you think it's wrong to kneel instead of stand for the Anthem, OK - I strenuously disagree, but that's a point people can make. If you think there's no racism or the police are doing just fine or cops are being appropriately punished for blowing away unarmed black men on a routine basis, OK, you're a loving idiot, but fine. But insisting that someone's protest is exactly what they are clearly and unequivocally stating it isn't, is just douchebaggery. Especially when you use that as an excuse to avoid the real problems being raised.

Shawn Williams
Shawn Williams (born May 13, 1991) is an American football safety for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League. He was drafted by the Bengals in the third round of the 2013 NFL Draft. He played college football at Georgia.


I can't find an even vaguely douchebaggy image of this fairly unremarkable football man

Cavauro posted:

I'm nominating Shawn Williams, of the Cincinnati Bengals, for a hosed up hit that is to be named later but happened in 2016

Ok here it is if you were waiting. He was fined twice in the same London game where his team tied the Washington Redskins. First he speared DeSean Jackson with a helmet-to-helmet hit that luckily did not result in a concussion and then he had a serious facemask call for a total of 33,424 dollars in fines.

OK Cavauro. If Williams was fined, then he was punished for these hits. I should have caught this earlier but I didn't. Fortunately, googling for "Shawn williams dirty player" came up with something else:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/how-the-bengals-used-dirty-play-to-tie-the-redskins-and-stay-alive-in-2016-103016

quote:

There were at least a dozen examples from Sunday (and probably more than a hundred this season), but the play pictured at the top of this post, where Shawn Williams almost Poltergeisted Jamison Crowder's head with a facemark at the goal line, went uncalled.

This article argues that the Bengals' systematic dirty play erodes the officials' ability to call penalties for everything they do, which, OK, that argument belongs to the general Bengals entry. But to the extent Williams contributes to it, and doesn't get called, that qualifies him for DotY.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 22, 2017

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.
Another Bengals loss. Cavauro should be used to his team underperforming in knockout rounds though.

People who insisted Kaep disrespected the troops

Mostly white arrogant fucks who dont want their perfect vision of America to come down on them.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
Don't like voting for large disparate groups much but, gotta get the Bengals out so this thing can get to real matchups.

People who insisted Kaep disrespected the troops.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Shawn Williams

-he's 50% to 60% as bad as mike mitchell, which still equates to a fairly bad boy
-multiple people worked hard at exposing his underground deeds to the national tff audience and now it's finally possible to get justice

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Can we do all the people who said stupid things about Kaepernick and all the Bengals en bloc?

If not, I guess the people who said stupid things about Kaepernick who are somehow distinct from the previous individuals who said the same things.

King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 22, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

After this we've just got Joe Mixon I guess. Oh and Marvin Lewis.

The Kaep category is specifically the Are Troops crowd, a distinct subset of the antikaep.

Zurreco
Dec 27, 2004

Cutty approves.
Kaep people.

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

I hate voting for nebulous groups, but the Kaep people don't even care about the troops unless they're using them as a rhetorical cudgel. Worst of all, the Kaep people won.

Ches Neckbeard
Dec 3, 2005

You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!
Kaep People

You're welcome Cavauro.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Cavauro.

(Kaep people)

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
People who insisted Kaep disrespected the troops. Once problems become un-ignorable and voices appeal to our consciences for change, some people attempt to drown that out by loudly proclaiming your support of something necessary and commendable (in this case, voluntary military service) solely as a means to create a platform with which to denigrate those who disagree with their worldview. This show is all just to avoid having to ask the themselves the question, "Is it possible that I am privileged enough to be unaware of a longstanding injustice in my beloved country?"

gently caress those people.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Kaep people. No explanation cause this will (probably) win.

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR
Protest vote for Shawn Williams because he's not a faceless amorphous group.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
Alright, let's get some :911: Real American :911: poo poo in here.

I used to be one of Are Troops. The Army sent me to 3rd world shitholes to unfuck the planet's rear end in a top hat clusters for God and Country. I got ribbons and silver jump wings and all kinds of poo poo, and I'm here to tell you effete little buttermilk-making GBS threads special snowflake pisspants motherfucks that the correct answer to the question of "Who should win this round of douchebag voting?" is:

People who insisted Kaep disrespected the troops.

I don't like mass awards, but the fake-patriotic uproar over what Kaepernick did was just stupid bullshit all the way down. Plus, again, nobody cares about the Bengals.

aperion
May 15, 2007

i want to believe
Grimey Drawer

sean10mm posted:

Plus, again, nobody cares about the Bengals.

At least not until the next time Burfict concusses Antonio Brown.

Also yeah, people who think Kaepernick disrespected the troops.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

OK calling it after 24 hours because gently caress it

Everyone who insisted Kaep insulted the troops wins, in real life and in this contest. 20-6.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Marvin Lewis vs. Bob Craft


Marvin Lewis
Marvin Ronald Lewis (born September 23, 1958) is an American football coach who is the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League. Lewis has held the position since January 14, 2003 and is currently the second-longest tenured head coach in the NFL behind Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots. He is also the longest tenured coach in Bengals history. Previously, he was the defensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens from 1996 to 2001.


Marvin Lewis loves Burfict

Benne posted:

Marvin Lewis for claiming that touchdown dances are "not a good example for young people" http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/26900/marvin-lewis-on-new-celebration-rule-not-a-good-example-for-young-people

Reminder that Marvin Lewis' team employs noted role models Joe Mixon, Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict.

quote:

“I’m not for that at all,” Lewis, who is on the NFL Competition Committee, said of the change. “We had a good standard, and the whole standard has always been, you want to teach people how to play the game the correct way and go about it the correct way, and that’s not a very good example for young people.”

Lewis said he didn’t like the idea of emphasizing individuals in a team sport.

“The rules were changed for a reason, and I thought we had a good outcome,” he said. “Again, this is a team game, and ... I don’t understand why we want to give in to individual celebrations.”

Marvin Lewis is not the GM of the team, so it is not really his responsibility to select players... but I think it's fair to say that if he wanted rid of Burfict, Pacman, etc. it would happen. It is definitely his job to keep control of his players on the field, though, so their on-field misbehavior absolutely reflects upon him as a coach. And it's deeply hypocritical of him to make lofty declarations about players being role models while his team continues to employ two of the dirtiest and most-fined players in the league. I wish the ESPN interviewer, Katherine Terrell, had asked him if he thought Burfict was a good example for young people.

Bob Kraft
Robert Kenneth Kraft (born June 5, 1941) is an American businessman. He is the chairman and chief executive officer of the Kraft Group, a diversified holding company with assets in paper and packaging, sports and entertainment, real estate development and a private equity portfolio. His sports holdings include the National Football League's New England Patriots, Major League Soccer's New England Revolution, and the stadium in which both teams play, Gillette Stadium.


Bob Kraft loves Donald Trump and wants to kiss him on the mouth.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Belichick and Bob Kraft: being generally evil and also Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/05/03/robert-kraft-patriots-deflategate-trump/101237572/

quote:

New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft said “envy and jealousy” played a role in the NFL’s Deflategate sanctions over a violation he described as “nonsense and foolishness" at a business leader summit on Tuesday night.

quote:

“Well, I don’t hold grudges, but I also don’t forget anything,” Kraft said with a smirk. “Envy and jealousy are incurable diseases. I’m going into my 24th season as an owner. I’m passionate about owning a football team in my hometown.

"If I hadn’t won, I would be so angry at our folks and thinking about what we’d have to do (to win a title). So, our competitors, I understand how they brought pressure on the league office to be very strong and (lobbied) not to compromise on an issue that was nonsense and foolishness.”

quote:

Kaft praised his team’s ability to go 3-1 without Brady at the start of the 2016 regular season. He called the Patriots’ historic comeback victory against the Atlanta Falcons at Super Bowl LI a “great lesson for the millennials on how hard work, perseverance and never giving up” can pay off.

Kraft also discussed his 25-year friendship with President Donald Trump...

Kraft doesn’t like how Trump is often portrayed in the media, but added that “part of that is self-inflicted.”

“He doesn't mean everything he says,” Kraft said. “I'm privileged to know that. People who don’t know him maybe don’t see the better side. I tell you one thing: He’s very hard-working."

Also, this:
http://deadspin.com/this-is-the-story-about-robert-krafts-casino-holdings-t-1794594130

quote:

It goes without saying (hey there, Las Vegas Raiders!) that the NFL’s gambling policy is a hypocritical mess. But now that I no longer work for Rupert Murdoch, I can plainly state that every word out of Roger Goodell’s mouth about legalized sports betting for the past 20 months has been nothing but lip service.
...
You can see for yourself. Just look up Patriots owner Robert Kraft with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Kraft is making money from casino gambling and sports betting, and the NFL knows all about it.

Why you didn’t learn about this before—at least not from me—is a story of a media mogul and his company’s golden goose, of the bulletproof owner of football’s most dominant franchise, and of the perfect nexus of NFL soft power: television billions, one-percenter alliances, and a press corps too deferential to risk upsetting either.
...
So at least since [August 2015], Goodell and the NFL’s Park Avenue office have been aware one of their owners has been flouting its zero-tolerance ban on casino ownership—a mortal-sin prohibition that dates to the league’s founding in 1920—with a backdoor investment in Caesars Entertainment, one of the world’s largest chains of casinos and sportsbooks.

Kraft’s support for legalized sports betting isn’t exactly a secret. He and Jerry Jones remain investors in the DraftKings daily fantasy site, which is allowed under NFL rules.
...
For the last three years, Kraft has held a spot on the board of directors of Manhattan private-equity behemoth Apollo Global Management. Among Apollo’s investments is one it made in 2008, when it teamed up with another private-equity outfit, TPG Capital, to buy a controlling 60 percent stake in Caesars.
...
Apollo will still share a 16 percent investment in Caesars Entertainment, and will possess what Apollo describes as “significant” investments in the powerhouse British-based bookmaker Ladbrokes (which takes NFL action) and in American Gaming Systems, one of the world’s largest manufacturers of slot machines and other casino games.

Kraft started amassing his current stake of 267,240 Class A shares in Apollo shortly after joining its board in May 2014.
...
Kraft’s investment in Apollo (worth approximately $7 million based on recent trading) is pocket change relative to an estimated $5.1 billion fortune that ranked the 75-year-old Kraft No. 102 on Forbes’ most recent list of the world’s richest people. Kraft doesn’t hide his role with Apollo, either, listing his board spot in his bio in the Patriots’ 2016 media guide. He’s listed on Apollo’s site as well.

Holding that position would appear to be a clear violation of the NFL’s gambling policy. While the policy allows for owners to have minor investments in equity firms like Apollo that invest in casinos, serving as an officer or director of a “publicly traded enterprise” with revenue from “gambling-related operations” is specifically banned. Apollo has been a major stakeholder in Caesars Entertainment since January 2008. That means Kraft began openly violating the league’s gambling policy the moment he joined Apollo’s board three years ago.
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All of this, one imagines, wouldn’t go over well with Sheldon Adelson, Tony Romo, James Harrison, Tim Rooney, Chris Christie or anyone else who felt Goodell’s public wrath for their connections to legal sports gambling.
...
Warnings about gambling are posted in every NFL locker room, and all league personnel are regularly cautioned to avoid casinos. The announcement in mid-April that dozens of players will be fined for participating in an arm-wrestling tournament at the MGM Grand Casino in Las Vegas without permission followed a lengthy legal fight with Romo (which the NFL won) over his bid to sponsor a 2015 fantasy football convention a casino-adjacent convention center. Members of the league’s officiating crews are advised against vacationing in Vegas.

The league’s zero-tolerance rule on casinos and gambling is even more strict for owners. In the most notable example, the NFL forced Tim Rooney—son of the Steelers’ beloved founder and NFL icon Art J. Rooney—to sell his entire stake in the team in 2008 because Yonkers Raceway, which he owned, received a gaming license.

The author, formerly a New York Post reporter, goes on to explain how this story was quashed within minutes back in 2015, most likely because Kraft or Goodell called up their buddy Rupert Murdoch and had it silenced. That act is outside our statute of limitations for this douechebag contest, but Kraft's ownership and apparently rules-violating presence on the Apollo's board remains.

SO, who is the bigger douchebag?

aperion
May 15, 2007

i want to believe
Grimey Drawer
I'm not a hater on the Patriots. But that doesn't stop me from thinking Bobby Kraft needs to see this through.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Bob Kraft Seriously though can we filter out the rest of the Bengal entries for this round if they keep on ending up in these lopsided match ups?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Bob Kraft

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Hunt11 posted:

Seriously though can we filter out the rest of the Bengal entries for this round if they keep on ending up in these lopsided match ups?

be sure to do this and dont even bother with the last guy. no one would vote for him; it's a waste of everyone's time

Zurreco
Dec 27, 2004

Cutty approves.
Marvis Lewis is just a crotchedy old man who should have been fired by now.

Bob Kraft is a poo poo heel owner who enables Belichick and Brady, believes in the Patriot Way, and even weaponized his wife's death to bolster the brand. He also promoted the idea that Deflategate was a conspiracy against Brady and, when he saw the writing on the wall, tried to throw himself onto the sword to spare Brady to make himself look like an innocent owner.

gently caress him.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Hunt11 posted:

Bob Kraft Seriously though can we filter out the rest of the Bengal entries for this round if they keep on ending up in these lopsided match ups?

Kraft was seeded 25th while Lewis was seeded 8th, so I don't feel like I can anticipate who should or shouldn't be kept. In any case there's only one Bengal left, and it's Joe Mixon who was seeded fifth.

So basically no, sorry.

e. Just to be clear, Marvin Lewis was nominated by Benne and seconded by Anals of History and Cavauro. With two seconds, he's seeded in a group of 8 nominees that included Mixon, while the other Bengals that have been complained about were ones with 1 second, so they were all seeded lower.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 24, 2017

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Bob Kraft.

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR
gently caress to Bob Kraft and all Patriots and all NFL team owners.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
Bob Kraft

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

Some Pats fan during the Super Bowl, to me posted:

Robert Kraft is my second-favorite person, after Tom Brady.

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
Bob Kraft because he is a Trump-supporting slurring drunk retard

tk
Dec 10, 2003

Nap Ghost
Bob Kraft Macaroni and White American Cheese

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Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
I wonder if Cavauro's long con was making us so sick of dumbass Bengals entrants that no one would vote for a legit one? Marvin Lewis is absolutely worthy of a vote, he doesn't believe in concussions, he hates celebrations, he has terrible opinions on a hell of a lot of things.

Well if it was, it worked. Bob Kraft.

~~Andey

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