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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:15 |
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CrazyTolradi posted:You know, I thought it was weird that Hobo Erotica brought his Mia posting back up again in the middle of autism in school chat but now I can see how they're actually very relevant to one another. Hey Hobo Erotica, please take note, this is how you have a dumb as dogshit and offensive opinion in a concise format so people don't have to read a novel to call you a fuckwit
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:18 |
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I wanted to post something about autism (and other conditions that result in behavioural issues) in schools since this year every primary school in my town is taking it very seriously and have been rolling out a program to address it. The buzzword around it is "interoception" but I don't think they use it in the strict dictionary definition of the word. I realised there's probably no point trying to explain any of it since I'm not an educator myself, I haven't been to any of the training and I can only guess at what they're hoping to achieve. I don't even remember the name of whoever is pushing it so I can't read up on it. Every teacher is applying it in their classes and we have a room set aside and staff/support time allocated to work on it. My best guess based on context is that it's about helping kids pay attention to what is going on inside their minds and bodies, so that they can better control their own behaviour, remove themselves to cool down before a melt down occurs, be aware if they are hungry or tired or need the toilet etc, which leads to less disruption to the rest of the class. But like I said, I really don't know. It's a big thing though and it seems to be successful so far, but not entirely sure what the metric is to measure that. My school has always had a small population of kids with varying disabilities or conditions and the outcomes from being part of the "normal" system have been extremely positive for those kids - and for the rest of the student population the benefits are exposure to difference, and tolerance of difference being normalised instead of a special case ie not switching on special behaviour just when a special needs kid is around. My own anecdotal metric is that my desk is directly across from the principals office so I overhear every kid who is a repeat offender being told off/suspended etc. These kids are not the autistic kids, they're not the kids who have ADHD (who come to the front office every lunch for their medication), very rarely the kid with downs, etc. In my experience it is a complete load of poo poo to blame the "special needs" kids for being disruptive. There are disruptive kids with problems whose needs are not being met but when they come from "normal" families and don't have a convenient diagnosis to lay the blame on (and maybe there isn't one, some kids just like misbehaving) it is much harder to address the problem. You need a diagnosis to get assistance, some parents are in denial and won't engage with that system. More often though the parents just have no interest in discipline or consequences for bad behaviour, or have had no success and don't know what to try next. It's a completely separate problem to addressing the needs of known special needs kids, which in my experience is being handled better and better all the time despite the lack of funding.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:21 |
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:21 |
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Thread hasn't been this spicy in quite a while. I appreciate the change in pace from the mind-numbing steady drip of bad things our government is doing.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:26 |
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What have I done!
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:28 |
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Stoca Zola posted:I wanted to post something about autism (and other conditions that result in behavioural issues) in schools since this year every primary school in my town is taking it very seriously and have been rolling out a program to address it. The buzzword around it is "interoception" but I don't think they use it in the strict dictionary definition of the word. I realised there's probably no point trying to explain any of it since I'm not an educator myself, I haven't been to any of the training and I can only guess at what they're hoping to achieve. I don't even remember the name of whoever is pushing it so I can't read up on it. Every teacher is applying it in their classes and we have a room set aside and staff/support time allocated to work on it. My best guess based on context is that it's about helping kids pay attention to what is going on inside their minds and bodies, so that they can better control their own behaviour, remove themselves to cool down before a melt down occurs, be aware if they are hungry or tired or need the toilet etc, which leads to less disruption to the rest of the class. But like I said, I really don't know. It's a big thing though and it seems to be successful so far, but not entirely sure what the metric is to measure that. A Good Effort Post
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:31 |
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Don Dongington posted:
Added to OP.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:34 |
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:36 |
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The best always comes out of this thread when it's at its worst. The sun that burns twice as bright, burns twice as dumb.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:37 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:Hey Hobo Erotica, please take note, this is how you have a dumb as dogshit and offensive opinion in a concise format so people don't have to read a novel to call you a fuckwit You know crazy is mildly autistic himself, right? I think his badly articulated point was that Hobo Erotica is awfully fixated on this issue.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:37 |
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Well Pauline did only say she wanted them removed from the schools and not actually submitted to a firey pogrom like some commentators have said. For this reason I believe *post continues for another 10,000 words*
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:38 |
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JBP posted:Well Pauline did only say she wanted them removed from the schools and not actually submitted to a firey pogrom like some commentators have said. For this reason I believe *post continues for another 10,000 words* You see when I said "We should gas the non-whites I simply meant,"
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:40 |
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Also is anyone else kinda disgusted that Larissa Waters breastfeeding in the senate chamber is considered anything other than business as usual in this backwards cousinfuck of a country? I mean I get it she's from Queensland where it's probably illegal but still.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:45 |
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Don Dongington posted:Also is anyone else kinda disgusted that Larissa Waters breastfeeding in the senate chamber is considered anything other than business as usual in this backwards cousinfuck of a country? I mean I get it she's from Queensland where it's probably illegal but still. It's part cognitive dissonance, part outdated 'child raising is a woman's domain' and the associated shame.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:52 |
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If that baby can suck a nipple then why can't the Prime Minister? Mr Speaker, the double standards from the so called tolerant left is disgusting for me, my family, this chamber and my nipples.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 08:58 |
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Anidav posted:If that baby can suck a nipple then why can't the Prime Minister? Mr Speaker, the double standards from the so called tolerant left is disgusting for me, my family, this chamber and my nipples.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:00 |
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Additional to my other post I was thinking on it further and realised that some of the kids most likely to have behavioural problems, kids who are in foster care under the guardianship of the minister and who are prone to being bullies, lying, stealing, raging out and flipping desks etc due to the lack of control or stability in their home lives - these kids still aren't the ones who end up most often at the principal's office. There is support available for them and they get regular counselling sessions and most of them show improvement over time. The repeat offenders could really benefit from some of that counselling I bet! Instead, we've been lumped with a chaplain/pastoral support officer with as far as I can tell not a hell of a lot of relevant training. Thanks Tony Abbott!
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:01 |
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We could start a #putoutyournips but I think it's already been done
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:06 |
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G-Spot Run posted:We could start a #putoutyournips but I think it's already been done Nobody wants to see my hairy, run chafed, nipples. ------------------------------- Stoca Zola posted:Additional to my other post I was thinking on it further and realised that some of the kids most likely to have behavioural problems, kids who are in foster care under the guardianship of the minister and who are prone to being bullies, lying, stealing, raging out and flipping desks etc due to the lack of control or stability in their home lives - these kids still aren't the ones who end up most often at the principal's office. There is support available for them and they get regular counselling sessions and most of them show improvement over time. The repeat offenders could really benefit from some of that counselling I bet! Instead, we've been lumped with a chaplain/pastoral support officer with as far as I can tell not a hell of a lot of relevant training. Thanks Tony Abbott! Chaplains et al have never been about outcomes for kids though. It's all about puritanical bullshit and graft. Which are the pillars of the modern Liberal party.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:09 |
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Nipple Austerity has gone too far in this country and my nipples have pointed out this fact multiple times.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:09 |
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G-Spot Run posted:We could start a #putoutyournips but I think it's already been done Cory and Pauline will assume you're talking about the White Australia policy
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:11 |
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The Before Times posted:You know crazy is mildly autistic himself, right? No I didn't but I don't see how it changes the fact that using autism as a punch line is bad and dumb particularly given how much focus has been on how harmful that is lately.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:15 |
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Gorilla Salad posted:Really polished it up good Thanks, yeah quite happy with it
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:21 |
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But what do the parents think Parents of children with special needs have reacted strongly to Pauline Hanson's controversial calls for them to be removed from mainstream classrooms, with many calling the comments "offensive". They say while schools do need more resources to help children with disabilities, Senator Hanson's claims the education of other children is suffering are unwarranted. They argue that rather than disadvantaging their classmates by monopolising teachers' time, children with special needs actually enrich the learning environment. But some say mainstream schools simply cannot cope with the demands of children with special needs. 'I want my son to have an impact' Annette McLaren's son Scott, 9, has Asperger's. He attends a mainstream state school in Sydney. Ms McLaren said she encountered some resistance from other parents at the school who were concerned about the disruption he may cause in the classroom. She recognised children with special needs can take up more of the teachers' time and their behaviour can often be disruptive. But she argued all children benefited from diversity in the classroom, which added "strength and richness" to their education. "I want my son to have an impact on your child, I want him to have an impact on you," she said. "It is something from which you and yours might benefit." 'I witnessed the teachers becoming exhausted' But Teresa Pollifrone, whose son Daniel, now 18, has high-functioning autism, backed Pauline Hanson's view. She said when Daniel was younger she moved him to four different mainstream schools in Adelaide in an effort to find one that could cope with his needs. "I saw the same pattern in every mainstream school," she said. "I witnessed the teachers becoming exhausted trying to devote time and energy to all children but finding it impossible. "They were also feeling guilty about neglecting mainstream students due to the fact that more time was necessary for kids with autism. "I have had many conversations with teachers regarding classrooms for children with special needs, this would have been a godsend. Pauline Hanson is not trying to put these kids down, she is purely recognising what the teachers, the parents and the kids need." 'The autistic kids are the ones left behind' Lisa Brook's daughter Natasha has autism and intellectual difficulties. She attended a mainstream primary school in Adelaide and is now in a special education unit at her high school. Ms Brook described Senator Hanson's comments as "totally deplorable". "Pauline Hanson is wrong," she said. "The autistic kids are the ones left behind as they get filed in the too-hard basket and miss out on education." 'Schools and teachers need to be better resourced' Heather Ryan's son Joe, 7, has autism. He attends a mainstream Catholic primary school in Melbourne. Ms Ryan said Senator Hanson's comments were "offensive". She argued the workforce participation rate and education outcomes for people on the autism spectrum show it is these children who are being disadvantaged in schools, not their classmates. But she said segregation was not the answer. "It is a lottery to find a local mainstream school that meets the learning needs of a child on the spectrum," she said. "Their needs are diverse. Schools and teachers need to be better resourced to meet diverse learning needs."
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:22 |
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Don Dongington posted:Also is anyone else kinda disgusted that Larissa Waters breastfeeding in the senate chamber is considered anything other than business as usual in this backwards cousinfuck of a country? I mean I get it she's from Queensland where it's probably illegal but still. No I can't think of anyone, and yes these kinds of issues are perfectly well represented in the media
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:35 |
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Almost as though needs based funding would solve the issue.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:38 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:No I didn't but I don't see how it changes the fact that using autism as a punch line is bad and dumb particularly given how much focus has been on how harmful that is lately. A good point
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:39 |
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I hope everyone in this thread who posted/quoted that loving article gets a week. You bastards. You absolute fuckers.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:56 |
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Crikey dug up a ONP policy from the 90s suggesting that the disabled should be removed from communities and locked up in institutions. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22library%2Fpartypol%2FWPD05%22 “Much of the community concern at present stems from fear that residential areas will suffer from inappropriate placement of intellectually disabled people with anti-social behaviour.” Lock em up in a sepererate classroom When they graduate... Lock em up in a institution
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 09:59 |
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quote:They say while schools do need more resources to help children with disabilities, But Anidav, you said every teacher in the country was flush with these resources, and anyone who thought more help was needed was a bad teacher who should quit?
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:01 |
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Schools need more funding But hands are not tied at current funding levels
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:03 |
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Anidav posted:Schools need more funding Why do they need more funding then?
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:05 |
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To educate better. With iPads made of gold.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:06 |
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You're a giant moron Anidav
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:09 |
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Bogan King posted:
Yes. Thankfully they aren't using up any school funding - not sure where the money comes from but its not the same place as anyone else who works here. Maybe I'm being quick to judge, but I just don't think they'll bring anything of value to the school and now that they're in, they can be pointed to as an excuse for "why would you need an EXTRA counsellor you've already got a perfectly good chaplain". Anidav posted:To educate better. With iPads made of gold. Don't joke about this poo poo the amount of money wasted on ipads at my school boggles my mind. They're not wasted by the classes that use them but you need to get the teachers to the level where they can make intelligent decisions about how to use the ipads and that is not the case most of the time.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:19 |
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Okay schools need more funding because most public schools haven't had a makeover since the early 2000s, alot of classrooms still run on ceiling fans and dell workstations, classrooms are over capacity and disciplinary methods are out of date and ineffective. Schools do not have what they need to improve education methods so they stick to older methods which isolate and confuse children causing repeat offenders.
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:30 |
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Hobo Erotica posted:I was going to spare the thread the full text, but since JBP so lovingly created a cover, here it is: racing identity posted:Why do they need more funding then? Duh. More
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 10:45 |
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DancingShade posted:
Stop quoting that you dumbass
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# ? Jun 22, 2017 12:53 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:You spend paragraphs and paragraphs breaking down how the lefty attack dogs can be pointed at something with no real evidence (and I agree with you on this) but when she actually does say something reprehensible you throw a couple of sentences at it and move on. It was probably enough paragraphs already dealing with what the lefty attack dogs were actually pointing at, without going too much further into stuff that literally no one had mentioned yet, no? Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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