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Trump dissaproval/approval on Gallup: 2/16/17 38/56 6/21/17 39/56 ( sorry for the "nothing matters" post but the lack of needle movement cracked me up in a black comedy sort of way ) 
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Jun 22, 2017 18:20
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canepazzo posted:In a small amount of something matters for once, Cernovich should be his cell mate.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:20
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It's stupid to worry about the small amount of people who are looking at these protestors being dragged off and laughing at it. There aren't that many. What really matters are the exponentially more people who look at it and go "*shrug* well, what did they expect would happen." Hopefully those people can be swayed.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:20
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RZA Encryption posted:The wheelchair protester tweets will radicalize people.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:22
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Kekekela posted:Trump dissaproval/approval on Gallup: You realize that a one percent bump in a single poll is meaningless statistical noise, right? And that 39 is still absurdly low?
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Jun 22, 2017 18:22
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RZA Encryption posted:The wheelchair protester tweets will radicalize people. first terrorist fist bumps and now wheelchair imams? this has gotten out of hand
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Jun 22, 2017 18:22
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's just beyond my understanding how the republicans are being so blatant about loving over old people. Usually its all about wrecking the future for the young but this time they seem to want to actively hurt their own voting base. Do they just not care anymore?
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Jun 22, 2017 18:23
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Mississippi got it's religious freedom law upheld. God-loving-damnit. https://mississippitoday.org/2017/06/22/5th-circuit-dismisses-case-against-house-bill-1523/
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Jun 22, 2017 18:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's stupid to worry about the small amount of people who are looking at these protestors being dragged off and laughing at it. There aren't that many. What really matters are the exponentially more people who look at it and go "*shrug* well, what did they expect would happen." Hopefully those people can be swayed. Lmao, no. No, literally all of those people are lost to the void. You will never, ever be able to reach them. The only people that are worthwhile are the people who don't really care about much, who see that and think it looks bad. Independents that lean D and Democrats are the only people who are worth considering reaching out to.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:23
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Spiritus Nox posted:You realize that a one percent bump in a single poll is meaningless statistical noise, right? And that 39 is still absurdly low? Yeah, the point being that the things barely moved despite everything that's gone on since February. I don't think 39 is absurdly low for what has gone down in that time, no.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:23
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This is so upsetting. I can't handle this. Those poor people 
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Jun 22, 2017 18:24
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Crows Turn Off posted:How do we get people to see them? How often to these kids of tweets get play on the news? On Fox News? Never. They'll never be mentioned.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:24
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Kekekela posted:Yeah, the point being that the things barely moved despite everything that's gone on since February. I don't think 39 is aburdly low for what has gone down in that time, no. You are responding to the poster that 2 pages ago was mad at memes, like the concept of memes being in this thread. They are most certainly mad Edit: You edited out the mad part, now I look like a fool.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:25
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Petr posted:Their voter base has demonstrated that, for whatever reason, they're not willing to punish their reps and senators for any reason, except not being far right enough. The right wing media is basically a cult at this point. On the left people vote for Democratic candidates (usually, when we remember there's an election) but seem to have very little attachment to the party or even leftism in general on an identity level. Once you're inside the right wing media bubble though your entire worldview is shaped around the messages being repeatedly drilled into your skull by the various fear mongerers who follow the same talking points, which are then again parroted between you and your friends/family who are also inside the conservative bubble. Sure you might find some issues where a conservative voter might agree with the democratic position (ACA, minimum wage, the most basic laws on gun control), but said voter will almost never turn against their conservative identity that they base their whole worldview on just based on issues.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:25
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Nazzadan posted:You are responding to the poster that 2 pages ago was mad at memes, like the concept of memes being in this thread. Sorry I misread his post initially, now I've hosed everything up
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Jun 22, 2017 18:26
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Spiritus Nox posted:You realize that a one percent bump in a single poll is meaningless statistical noise, right? And that 39 is still absurdly low? He's talking about there being no movement in Trump's approval rating since February. It's essentially the same, 4 months later.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:26
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Kekekela posted:Trump dissaproval/approval on Gallup: Yeah this is misleading. The needle has moved, its just fluctuated back up for Trump due to him not overtly making GBS threads himself for the past couple weeks now. When he inevitably does it'll go back down. Also why start at 2/26? If you start at his inauguration his approval was like 46%.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:26
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https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/877940647805714437 Remember: 
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Jun 22, 2017 18:26
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They don't want to be seen dodging questions about the healthcare repeal and want to wait for the messaging to coalesce
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Jun 22, 2017 18:28
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Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation?
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Jun 22, 2017 18:28
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BonoMan posted:Mississippi got it's religious freedom law upheld. God-loving-damnit.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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happyhippy posted:It's going to be funny watching the average life expectancy of the US drop to mid 60s soon. The "Get Your Inheritance Early Act"
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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BonoMan posted:Mississippi got it's religious freedom law upheld. God-loving-damnit. not on the merits though, so it just means the litigation has to start over the first time someone is denied
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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axeil posted:This is so upsetting. I can't handle this. Those poor people Those brave people.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? They are passing it via reconciliation. They are not giving up on tax cuts as those were also a part of the House bill.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? They are doing healthcare via reconciliation so they can get the budget wiggle room to do tax cuts (likely via reconciliation in 2018).
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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Kekekela posted:Yeah, the point being that the things barely moved despite everything that's gone on since February. I don't think 39 is absurdly low for what has gone down in that time, no. i'm going to chalk that up to the hyper-polarized nature of politics right now and also to the fact that nothing concrete has happened that people can point to and say "look at what Donald Trump has done to this country!" in the way Katrina or an economic crash might. So far it's mostly just been Trump saying and doing dumb poo poo that while embarrassing as all hell hasn't resulted in consequences people can really feel on a broad scale (immigration crap notwithstanding). If there's a huge national disaster that cannot be easily ignored or rationalized, that's when we'll see his numbers start to plummet imo.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:29
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? TL;DR Republicans are using senate rules so that they can vote on the bill at 50+1 votes through the reconciliation process. The parliamentarian is basically the person who is the one controlling whether it meets the requirements (though since McConnell can just remove her and put somebody into rubber stamp who knows) edit: apparently this was yesterday https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/877532929722916864
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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saintonan posted:On Fox News? Never. They'll never be mentioned. Good thing they've crashed in ratings.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? this is the 2017 reconciliation bill (and it is mostly tax cuts) and the rest of the tax cuts are in the 2018 bill
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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Party Plane Jones posted:
They are just going to claim that slowing the rate of growth isn't a cut and their rube base will eat it up.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? It's always been reconciliation.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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Crazycryodude posted:Wait time out I've been out of the loop for a few days, why can't the Dems just filibuster the drat bill to make sure it never goes anywhere? Or have the Republicans given up on permanent tax cuts and are now trying to do healthcare via reconciliation? The Republicans are doing it via reconciliation.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:30
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Soylent Yellow posted:The "Get Your Inheritance Early Act" Only for poor people, though, and they are hardly likely to leave anything in their wills. The well-off will be able to afford care, and it doesn't change employer-provided health insurance all that much.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:31
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I'm stuck between being horribly depressed about what this bill will do and wanting to beat their base with a crowbar for letting them do it.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:31
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Good thing they've crashed in ratings. I wonder if that's because people are going elsewhere for news or if their usual viewers know that things aren't going great and are just shutting down about politics instead.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:32
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Kekekela posted:Yeah, the point being that the things barely moved despite everything that's gone on since February. I don't think 39 is absurdly low for what has gone down in that time, no. It's probably not going to move much more. Trump has his floor at 35-36 or whatever (barring domestic crisis like katrina) and the only difference between this and past administrations is the rate at which he hit his floor. He basically hit it almost immediately after getting inaugurated instead of the American public slowly turning on him.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:32
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Aves Maria! posted:i'm going to chalk that up to the hyper-polarized nature of politics right now and also to the fact that nothing concrete has happened that people can point to and say "look at what Donald Trump has done to this country!" in the way Katrina or an economic crash might. Remember also that the economy is storming along, thanks to a combo of the Obama administration's wise plans, and businesses slavering about coming tax cuts.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:32
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LaserShark posted:I'm stuck between being horribly depressed about what this bill will do and wanting to beat their base with a crowbar for letting them do it. At least we get to get a few cable news pieces about Trump voters who lose their health insurance to giggle at.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:32
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I thought they wanted to avoid reconciliation because it has to sunset anything that increases the deficit (i.e. tax cuts) after 10 years and the Republicans want it to be permanent? Or is that just one of those rules that can be arbitrarily changed with a 50%+1 or on the order of the majority leader or whatever? And I guess they would take 10 years of tax cuts over no tax cuts at all.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:33
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