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Eggnogium posted:Oh thank god, it had been eight whole pages since someone pulled out that MLK quote. gently caress MLK, right?
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ElCondemn posted:gently caress MLK, right? You figured us all out, we are white supremacists hoping to take down minorities via enforcement of 'keep to the right' laws on the freeway.
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Well you see the garbage workers strike and the bus boycott were really about the right to go slow in the fast lane unhampered by police...
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Drivers in Western Washington are some of the worst I've encountered anywhere, but I had no idea it was a conscious effort to stick it to the man. Is this exclusive to the speed limit thing or is it expanded to DUIs, detracted driving and blatantly running red lights? (I'm from Seattle and was a garbage driver too-the best cure is lots of experience driving anywhere else)
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ElCondemn posted:When police are murdering people like you by the thousands feel free to lecture me on the virtues of working together instead of calling out these pieces of poo poo for their crimes. Ok, sure: CDC posted:2000 - 2015, United States Or the WA Posts fatal police shootings database, here. The data seem to show pretty clearly that there's implicit bias at work, and police perceive unarmed black citizens as greater threats, but characterizing them as pigs who all get their rocks off murdering people of color doesn't seem like a productive line of argument. WAshington Post posted:In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race). Can we have an actual discussion now , or are you more interested in role-playing the revolution via forum posts? Anyway, the transcripts from the Charleena Lyles shooting have been released: Seattle Times posted:
Maybe someone with more direct knowledge of policing can answer this, but I still don't understand why they strolled up to her apartment like there was nothing to worry about. Both of the officers mention her mental health issues and an "officer safety caution" in the transcript. Is it asking too much for them to plan ahead and bring along something like a Taser for an interaction like this? Or better yet, a mental health professional? herbaceous backson fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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herbaceous backson posted:Ok, sure: Something must be wrong with your request, mine shows these results using the same criteria that you specified. quote:2000 - 2015, United States herbaceous backson posted:Or the WA Posts fatal police shootings database, here. I'm not really sure what your point is? Do you expect me to look at these numbers and think "you know what, it's not so bad"? Do you think my problem is that they're not killing enough white people? I've been very clear that police are targeting both minorities and the poor, but even if they were targeting rich white people I don't see why I should be ok with what they're doing. Maybe if people saw them as pigs who get their rocks off murdering people maybe thousands of people wouldn't be dead? The fact that people respect police so much that they are allowed to get away with literal murder and people can't stop justifying it is what drives me crazy. It's not even just that they're killing people, they also ruin lives daily and nobody cares. When people like me are asking people to care it's because it doesn't seem like anyone does care. When I speak out about this stuff all I get is people tripping over themselves to show me some proof that it isn't as bad as I think it is, why is that? sidebar: I think it's hilarious that Mike Huckabee is arguing that "more white people have been shot by police officers", meanwhile any time they want to show how dangerous minorities are they use per-capita stats herbaceous backson posted:Anyway, the transcripts from the Charleena Lyles shooting have been released: Because they are cops and their reaction and training is to kill when they feel afraid. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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ElCondemn posted:Because they are cops and their reaction and training is to kill when they feel afraid.
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I don't know you that's my purse *blam* *blam*
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herbaceous backson posted:
quote:Officer 1: And then what was the (unintelligible)? In fact when I heard it, it was "my xbox.." followed by a clattering noise, then "GET BACK!" once or twice, then shots were fired. There was none of this bullshit "a woman with two knives! Use your tazer! I don't have a tazer!" stuff at all. There was no back and forth between the two officers (except for the back and forth before the encounter, when they're talking mad poo poo about the woman they're going to deal with, who they joke about saying her and her children were wolevs and then make another quip about "don't let her behind you!"), and the amount of time between the word "xbox" and the shots being fired, was simply not enough time to have had that much conversation occur. Smells like blue bullshit. Also, haven't we gotten to the point where cops who don't bother to bring a tazer, are disciplined for not being fully prepared, yet? coyo7e fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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coyo7e posted:This is bizarre, because I listened to the audio from that encounter the other day, and this part: Yeah, WTF, I just listened to the recording here and while I can definitely hear everything else, the "Tase her / I don't have a taser" are just not there.
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I listened to the recording the other day and had to go back and re-listen to it because yeah that transcript is 100% wholecloth bullshit. None of what is written past the word "Xbox" is in the recording and it also skips over their weird derogatory little side convo about her. Gosh, why would they release a false transcript? Could it be they are relying on most people to not actually listen to the recording? :thonking:
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Reene posted:I listened to the recording the other day and had to go back and re-listen to it because yeah that transcript is 100% wholecloth bullshit. None of what is written past the word "Xbox" is in the recording and it also skips over their weird derogatory little side convo about her. There's a better version here: https://soundcloud.com/seattletimes/police-shooting-of-charleena-lyles Starting around 3:40, I can hear someone say what sounds like "you ready motherfuckers" , then the word "taser," followed by what sounds like "I don't have a taser." http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/get-back-get-back-seattle-police-release-audio-of-fatal-shooting-of-charleena-lyles/ Did they clean up the audio or something? This one sounds different than the one most of the local news outlets had. herbaceous backson fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Yeah it does seem like they released a new version of the audio. I'm tempted to listen to them side by side for comparison but I also don't really want to hear a woman get executed twice.
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You don't use a tazer on a person with a knife in their hand because it doesn't necessarily immobilize the person getting tazed enough to stop them from cutting or stabbing you. Also the problem is not "too much respect for law enforcement," but rather charging standards set at the state level that make it nearly impossible to prove that an officer acted criminally. While your (as in, non-LENFO) honest mistake about a dangerous situation that caused another person's death might result in a manslaughter charge, the same standard doesn't apply for police officers. Worse, LENFO have a duty to meet violence or the threat of violence with their own, putting them in situations that an average person would rarely find themselves, and until we have body cameras with working mics on every single officer we will never get the full story of any interaction. Because of those factors, even a prosecutor who wants to go after a cop for an unjustified killing knows that proving all the elements will be extremely difficult even under the best of circumstances. If you want the law changed you should start putting pressure on your state reps and convince your friends and others in your community to do the same. Or start a state wide initiative if your legislators aren't being responsive. Anything else is just feeling better about yourself by posting on a dead gay comedy forum.
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I wonder if there will ever be a stop to the posts that assume that we can only do one (1) thing, and that thing we are personally doing is posting on a dead gay comedy forum and literally nothing else
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Reene posted:I wonder if there will ever be a stop to the posts that assume that we can only do one (1) thing, and that thing we are personally doing is posting on a dead gay comedy forum and literally nothing else If you aren't posting, you aren't helping.
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you know there are tasers that you can use from a distance, like a gun, that does not kill them, and you don't have to worry about being cut by the person because they are at a distance, as if you had used a gun, but used a taser, which didn't kill them.
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GodFish posted:you know there are tasers that you can use from a distance, like a gun, that does not kill them, and you don't have to worry about being cut by the person because they are at a distance, as if you had used a gun, but used a taser, which didn't kill them.
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therobit posted:Yes, you do sound like 17 year old with a brand new license so it could be a lack of driving experience. No seventeen year old has ever been excited about going the speed limit.
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You are allowed to have a club instead of a taser, I believe. Plus you probably only get a reprimand that gets vacated at appeal. Also, this is beyond gross. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6qtnz0OZ0
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Reene posted:I wonder if there will ever be a stop to the posts that assume that we can only do one (1) thing, and that thing we are personally doing is posting on a dead gay comedy forum and literally nothing else ya ok you're right, it was unnecessarily flippant
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marxismftw posted:You don't use a tazer on a person with a knife in their hand because it doesn't necessarily immobilize the person getting tazed enough to stop them from cutting or stabbing you.
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coyo7e posted:What exactly does this have to do with the transcript which clearly shows that there was a call to use the tazer, but that the cop didn't have one herbaceous backson posted:
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rgocs posted:Out of context, not much. But as a response to:
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Honestly I think tasers and stun guns are bad things to give to police. Either someone presents enough of a threat that you should shoot them, or else you should try to subdue them with a club or your hands. I remember reading at one time that tasers tend not to be used as a less lethal alternative to firearms, but rather they get used in situations that previously would not have involved firearms and are used as a compliance tool when someone could otherwise be held, talked down, beat up, or possibly even not engaged physically. edit: there was a ruling about this by the 4th circuit court of appeals. Just google "tasers as compliance tool" or similar and you will see a bunch of articles about this.
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Yeah I've seen the video of the cop tazing that woman who refuses to hang up her phone while he's trying to ticket her, but with the amount of "STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING!" bullshit that cops pull whenever someone fails to immediately comply with their (often not-legal or justifiable) orders, I'd rather they have a tazer as an option when it clearly tends to go straight to the gun otherwise.
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And yet here we are now advocating beating people Rodney King style for compliance what a time to be alive! B-b-but why didn't they just shoot the knife out of her hand?! This loving thread.
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therobit posted:Honestly I think tasers and stun guns are bad things to give to police. Either someone presents enough of a threat that you should shoot them, or else you should try to subdue them with a club or your hands. I remember reading at one time that tasers tend not to be used as a less lethal alternative to firearms, but rather they get used in situations that previously would not have involved firearms and are used as a compliance tool when someone could otherwise be held, talked down, beat up, or possibly even not engaged physically. Just take their guns away, maybe then they wont stroll into a place like it's no big deal and then freak out and kill someone when things get out of control. SeaborneClink posted:And yet here we are now advocating beating people Rodney King style for compliance what a time to be alive! People love to justify police force, they're brainwashed into thinking cops are something they aren't. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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ElCondemn posted:Just take their guns away, maybe then they wont stroll into a place like it's no big deal and then freak out and kill someone when things get out of control. I like the idea of them generally not carrying and having to get the swat team or whatever if guns are necessary. While we are daydreaming, they should give qoutas to the managers that strongly financially incentivize not calling in the swat team with a direct hit to thier bonus if they do. The same with use of force in general. Make it pay not to use force and you will see them get creative with problem solving.
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So it's the fault of the people getting shot that they got shot. I see.
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Shifty Nipples posted:So it's the fault of the people getting shot that they got shot. I see. Who are you responding to here?
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anthonypants posted:There's apparently a group of Seattle police who stream Destiny on Twitch http://www.geekwire.com/2017/now-streaming-twitch-seattle-police-blast-aliens-take-questions-playing-games/
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therobit posted:Who are you responding to here? you
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I think I just read the hottest take regarding Lyles' shooting. Don O'Neill: Where is the dad (s)? When a local journalist calls him out for his racism, he feigns ignorance.
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Also, for anyone who has ever worked a service industry job with an unpredictable schedule, Oregon might end up passing a bill to require "predictable" schedules http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/06/oregon_senate_passes_bill_to_m.html While it's a good idea, I also expect to see a lot of waivers/loopholes and a lot of not reporting due to retribution.
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anthonypants posted:Well, that's over now http://www.seattlepi.com/g00/local/article/Seattle-PD-ends-use-of-video-game-channel-amid-11242777.php The was so loving stupid to discuss that topic like that. When they were talking about public service poo poo like "how to drive in the snow" it's nbd, but this was monumentally stupid. anthonypants posted:Also, for anyone who has ever worked a service industry job with an unpredictable schedule, Oregon might end up passing a bill to require "predictable" schedules http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/06/oregon_senate_passes_bill_to_m.html Ugh, it's limited to businesses with a worldwide employment of 500 or more. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Solkanar512 posted:The was so loving stupid to discuss that topic like that. When they were talking about public service poo poo like "how to drive in the snow" it's nbd, but this was monumentally stupid. The 500 employees thing is pretty brutal but it's better than nothing and it could set a useful precedent. It's easier to change the threshold than it is to get it enacted in the first place. Plus, don't some really big companies set things like breaks/lunches based on the state with the strictest rules so that the can have a uniform policy? So this might have benefits for workers nationwide (I'm being way too hopeful, aren't I?).
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xrunner posted:The 500 employees thing is pretty brutal but it's better than nothing and it could set a useful precedent. It's easier to change the threshold than it is to get it enacted in the first place. Plus, don't some really big companies set things like breaks/lunches based on the state with the strictest rules so that the can have a uniform policy? So this might have benefits for workers nationwide (I'm being way too hopeful, aren't I?).
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