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wicka posted:Yes, exactly. Fox's marketing of the sport is unbelievably bad. My nightmare is everything in life is produced and announced by Fox and Joe Buck. Everything.
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Now we have sponsored restart zones and sponsored last laps. I'm honestly surprised the stages aren't individually sponsored yet. If Brian France reads this thread, you're welcome.
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L_Harrison posted:Now we have sponsored restart zones and sponsored last laps. I'm honestly surprised the stages aren't individually sponsored yet. Give it time!
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L_Harrison posted:Now we have sponsored restart zones and sponsored last laps. I'm honestly surprised the stages aren't individually sponsored yet. Spoilers and splitters so big they become prime sponsor real estate.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Spoilers and splitters so big they become prime sponsor real estate. gently caress it add shark fins too
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VikingSkull posted:I've always said that if Kyle gets over 200 across the 3 series it's a more impressive feat than Richard's 200 in Cup, simply because of the fact that the fields are on average more competitive, Kyle has never won 100 mile races like Richard did, and all of Kyle's wins came at a time when the field was given ways to come back from being laps down. I would be exceedingly hesitant to call Nationwide since like 2009 a competitive series.
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CreditOne is one of those credit card companies with like 30% interest rates, and coincidentally I am about 30% interested in NASCAR right now. Ha ha ha
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big nipples big life posted:NASCAR 2019: Owned by CreditOne Bank NASCAR 2021: CreditOne Bank: Official Creditor of NASCAR.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:My nightmare is everything in life is produced and announced by Fox and Joe Buck. Everything. It can't be worse than Boogity Boogity Let's go racing boys
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AND DANICAAAAAA!
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50s F1 didn't throw a red flag for a car flying into the stands and killing 80+ spectators
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Spoilers and splitters so big they become prime sponsor real estate. 
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big nipples big life posted:NASCAR 2019: Owned by CreditOne Bank NASCAR 2021: In Debt to CreditOne Bank
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Also solves the passing problem. If you want to pass someone, just lift them out of the way.
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wicka posted:Yes, exactly. Fox's marketing of the sport is unbelievably bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHv7nxuY_Rw They just routinely do stupid poo poo. Like the "best drivers in the world" stuff? They actually make their staff say it. Kevin Lee confirmed it. The best was when they ran a puff piece on Jimmie Johnson proclaiming him to be the best auto racing driver to ever live. They used the fact that Mario Andretti only had '"4 IndyCar titles" as a reason why he couldn't have been the best. Completely ignoring the fact that the reason he only has 4 was because he was in Formula 1 during the peak of his career (1971-1982 or so). During that time period he was also driving at indy, LeMans, Sebring, etc. Like you're comparing a guy that was amazingly great statistically in one sport versus a guy that has won in pretty much every form of racing there is. A more apt comparison would be someone like Bourdais, Schumacher, or Scott Dixon in terms of comparing titles in an era where drivers are much more focused on one form of the sport. Very consistently though they ham it up (redneck it up) really for their fans, and just kinda run an "EVERYTHING IS FINE. NASCAR IS GREAT" attitude. The lone times I saw Fox actually do good work with Cup would probably be when they aired little mini-docs on FS1 about things ranging from the Aerowars or how the 1979 Daytona 500 helped make the sport a big loving deal. I imagine these are just left over projects from some former speed employees though. Other times? It's down right embarrassing and it has like this "bad cartoon on cartoon network" sort of vibe. (Waltrip grid run for example.)
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FuzzySkinner posted:Very consistently though they ham it up (redneck it up) really for their fans, and just kinda run an "EVERYTHING IS FINE. NASCAR IS GREAT" attitude. How Fox peddles NASCAR has been a significant factor in NASCAR's decline among people like me. Fox isn't there to cover a race, they're there to see how many advertisements they can cram down your throat. So off-putting to anyone with half their wits about them.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHv7nxuY_Rw This really doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. A bit ridiculous, yeah, but this read like they were just trying to promote their current drivers as superstars. Maybe it's just the wrestling fan in me that has heard far, far more asinine poo poo, though.
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Norns posted:NASCAR or football have more ads? i would think football does simply because it has way more viewers to sell poo poo to
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Fauxhawk Express posted:This really doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. A bit ridiculous, yeah, but this read like they were just trying to promote their current drivers as superstars. Maybe it's just the wrestling fan in me that has heard far, far more asinine poo poo, though. NASCAR to phase out the word "drivers", start using "Megastars"
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WindyMan posted:How Fox peddles NASCAR has been a significant factor in NASCAR's decline among people like me. Fox isn't there to cover a race, they're there to see how many advertisements they can cram down your throat. So off-putting to anyone with half their wits about them. NASCAR is...by nature a very commercial sport. But it felt that around 2005 or so it kinda changed from being one that revolved around motor oil, tobacco, alcohol, southern fried food chains, obscure brands and soft drinks to one that was wanting to get the money of soccer moms in suburban chicago or something. I don't know. I don't feel as cringed out by having say, the "VALVOLINE RACE REPORT" or something of that note. Doing something like "HOW DO YOU KFC? SHOW US VIA SOME HASHTAG ON INSTAGRAM" just makes me get mega douche chills.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:This really doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. A bit ridiculous, yeah, but this read like they were just trying to promote their current drivers as superstars. Maybe it's just the wrestling fan in me that has heard far, far more asinine poo poo, though. I can certainly understand it. I'm kind of a nerd about that sort of stuff. Just felt like there could have been better ways of saying Jimmie Johnson was the best in his sport honestly. People that are watching the race more than likely (god I hope...) know who Dale Sr., and Richard Petty are. Start with them. No need to compare JJ to other athletes in different sports (which they did do as well during that segment)
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kidcoelacanth posted:NASCAR to phase out the word "drivers", start using "Megastars" - "Racing" is now verboten, to be replaced by "Automotive Entertainment" - WifeCam to show wives watching TV monitors of the race at 75 degree angles - Sprint Cup to be called the Sprint Universal Championship, since a cup is something you drink out of - Dale Jr is now just Dale Earnhardt, whilst Dale Sr is to be referred to as Dale Earnhardt Classic
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Norns posted:NASCAR or football have more ads? It's not the frequency, it's the invasiveness of them. They advertise the hell out of NFL games, but you'll never, ever see ad overlays or announcer sponsor plugs happen during plays as they unfold. There is also constant advertising during a soccer match, but it's always in the background. It's there, and you'll see it, but it's not the primary focus of the broadcast. NASCAR was the same way when the primary commercialism of the race was the cars themselves. Same deal: The advertising is here, you'll see it, but it's not the primary focus of the broadcast. But then Fox showed up, and now they have to have graphics for every ad and sponsor plugs for every salable activity. For me, things started getting unbearable when they started adding sponsor overlay graphics to the onboard cameras. Um, I know that it's the Aflac car because I can see Aflac on the hood, but why are you blocking the view of the car with an Aflac on-board camera sponsorship graphic? Overkill much? FuzzySkinner posted:I don't know. I don't feel as cringed out by having say, the "VALVOLINE RACE REPORT" or something of that note. Doing something like "HOW DO YOU KFC? SHOW US VIA SOME HASHTAG ON INSTAGRAM" just makes me get mega douche chills. I mean, there's a difference between sponsoring a reasonable thing during the broadcast, like a race break or halftime show; or sponsoring something because it's been five minutes since the last time you mentioned a sponsor and you need to come up with A Thing to work that sponsor in. Fox passed the point of over-saturation long ago; the Daytona broadcast was about as bad as I think it could possibly get, ever. The bottom line for me is, are the sponsors presenting the race broadcast, or is the race broadcast presenting the sponsors? Once the needle moves too far into the latter, then the race becomes less relevant.
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NASCAR and IndyCar both do it, but the part before every race where they roll through all their branded on-board cameras is absolutely unbearable. It's the kind of thing that, if you were trying to get a brand new fan into the sport, would turn them off immediately. It's par for the course with what NASCAR has been doing over the last decade or so, though. They're losing fans and losing money, and every attempt they make to gain more fans or make more money just pushes fans further away.
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wicka posted:NASCAR and IndyCar both do it, but the part before every race where they roll through all their branded on-board cameras is absolutely unbearable. It's the kind of thing that, if you were trying to get a brand new fan into the sport, would turn them off immediately. It's par for the course with what NASCAR has been doing over the last decade or so, though. They're losing fans and losing money, and every attempt they make to gain more fans or make more money just pushes fans further away. If Steak and Shake wants to sponsor an in car cam? That's fine. Just don't take up half the screen. I think that's reasonable. I think 'half way points", "race analysis", "race cams" are reasonable things to sponsor...but you kinda only need to do it subtly. This isn't the NFL where there are no sponsorship on the uniforms (well save for NIKE). You can kinda show the graphics on the car themselves and people will get the point.
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wicka posted:NASCAR and IndyCar both do it, but the part before every race where they roll through all their branded on-board cameras is absolutely unbearable. It's the kind of thing that, if you were trying to get a brand new fan into the sport, would turn them off immediately. It's par for the course with what NASCAR has been doing over the last decade or so, though. They're losing fans and losing money, and every attempt they make to gain more fans or make more money just pushes fans further away. It's fine that everyone plugs all their on-board cameras at the start of a race. The onboard run-through has long been a part of the flow of the pre-start build up, and plugging a camera sponsor is literally no different than plugging the car sponsor instead. Same difference. FuzzySkinner posted:If Steak and Shake wants to sponsor an in car cam? That's fine. Just don't take up half the screen. I think that's reasonable. And it doesn't. Just a little bit in the corner for car identification. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMlNz720rxo&t=8143s I have to wonder how my enjoyment and understanding of this sequence would have changed if my eyes had to compete for screen space against a banner covering up 25% of the view.
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WindyMan posted:It's fine that everyone plugs all their on-board cameras at the start of a race. The onboard run-through has long been a part of the flow of the pre-start build up, and plugging a camera sponsor is literally no different than plugging the car sponsor instead. Same difference. How about you do neither, and just let the sponsor be loving visible, like all sorts of other sports and events that aren't shedding viewers by the millions? "Long been a flow" is no excuse, the fact that it's been around for a while doesn't mean it isn't terrible.
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wicka posted:NASCAR and IndyCar both do it, but the part before every race where they roll through all their branded on-board cameras is absolutely unbearable. I like it cause then I know which cars have cams? the bigger complaint is that its 2017 and they dont ALL have cams already.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:CreditOne is one of those credit card companies with like 30% interest rates, and coincidentally I am about 30% interested in NASCAR right now. Ha ha ha Heh.
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FuzzySkinner posted:If Steak and Shake wants to sponsor an in car cam? That's fine. Just don't take up half the screen. I think that's reasonable. None of the people on the car are paying the TV company for that advertising.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I've said this before but I'll take Team 3-time Champion (Cale, DW, Smoke) over Team 7-Time Champion (Richard, Dale, Jimmie) any day/. Ignoring the sponsor chat, but put David Pearson up in the 3 time also.
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wicka posted:How about you do neither, and just let the sponsor be loving visible, like all sorts of other sports and events that aren't shedding viewers by the millions? It's kind of a weird thing to HATE of all things that can be annoying about TV race coverage. Do you hate that they are sponsored or hate that they do a run through? Clint Bowyer will have the 5 Hour Energy cam on board today. That phrase combined with an on board shot of the cockpit is "unbearable" to you? If it were, Here is Clint Bowyer's on board view today, would that be much different? They are going to run through the on board cameras either way so who really gives a gently caress if it is sponsored by Tropicana or whatever? Cygni posted:I like it cause then I know which cars have cams? the bigger complaint is that its 2017 and they dont ALL have cams already. This is also annoying. Every time there is some sort of weird crash near the mid-back of the field and nobody knows why it would be great if they could just use that car's and surrounding car's on board cameras to piece it together but they only put like 9 on board cameras out there. WindyMan posted:It's fine that everyone plugs all their on-board cameras at the start of a race. The onboard run-through has long been a part of the flow of the pre-start build up, and plugging a camera sponsor is literally no different than plugging the car sponsor instead. Same difference.
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wicka posted:How about you do neither, and just let the sponsor be loving visible, like all sorts of other sports and events that aren't shedding viewers by the millions?   
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bigbillystyle posted:It's kind of a weird thing to HATE of all things that can be annoying about TV race coverage. Do you hate that they are sponsored or hate that they do a run through? Clint Bowyer will have the 5 Hour Energy cam on board today. That phrase combined with an on board shot of the cockpit is "unbearable" to you? If it were, Here is Clint Bowyer's on board view today, would that be much different? They are going to run through the on board cameras either way so who really gives a gently caress if it is sponsored by Tropicana or whatever? It's not as unbearable as you, I guess. Yes, all other sports that are shedding viewers by the millions. Literally textbook examples of boring, ad-interrupted sports that people are no longer watching.
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