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Rhesus Pieces posted:Voting for a bill this unpopular would be instant political suicide if the GOP still believed the opinion of the electorate mattered. What are those people going to do, vote Democrat? Like some sort of Liberal pussy? Come election time most of them will go "Oh, you." and vote for the R anyway. Best case they vote in a different republican, but it's not like the warm body makes much of a difference in politics these days, you vote the party line on big things or you don't get money.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah, the bill has only been officially released for a few hours now. It was kept secret for so long purely to suppress coverage and pushback from the opposition. We all had a good idea of what would be in the bill but nothing solid to attack until right now. Expect coverage and public outrage to ramp up considerably from here on out, but the amount of time for that to derail things has been compressed purposefully. At least we got a little under a week instead of mere hours like they wanted.
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I love that the "we love small businesses" party is removing the tax credit for small employers if they choose to include coverage for abortions.
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Reik posted:I love that the "we love small businesses" party is removing the tax credit for small employers if they choose to include coverage for abortions. They're no longer required to provide coverage at all now, yes?
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hobbesmaster posted:They're no longer required to provide coverage at all now, yes? But the employers that do provide coverage will probably attract better talent.
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hahahahaha  https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/877991437123670017
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"If you give them the house they'll just pass Obamacare again!" It makes sense. Sort of. More sense than president Donald Trump at least.
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hobbesmaster posted:"If you give them the house they'll just pass Obamacare again!" Nah they're gonna brag about repealing Obamacare and claim they will repeal it if elected, in the same sentence, and nobody will bat an eye.
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they're going to just simply preach about the trillion in tax cuts and how horrible stuff was under obamacare (because the worst parts are delayed).
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Interesting strategy now that Obamacare is polling positive for the first time in its existence.
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So is there any group to phone bank with to deploy people with vulnerable Senators?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Interesting strategy now that Obamacare is polling positive for the first time in its existence. With who? Democrats and Independents? Rs still think it's the devil. Remember, this is a tribal war at this point.
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Pollyanna posted:With who? Democrats and Independents? Rs still think it's the devil. Remember, this is a tribal war at this point. Looks like the liberals win 2-1! 
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Pollyanna posted:With who? Democrats and Independents? Rs still think it's the devil. Remember, this is a tribal war at this point. Democrats and independents outnumber Republicans so, yes?
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Lemming posted:They do care about optics, and their supporters look at this and think "gently caress yeah, show those people who's in charge" "If they were really disabled why were they able to put up a fight to not get removed from their wheelchairs? Just goes to show they were paid plants by Dems."
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Spiritus Nox posted:Problem is the Russia stuff (which is vitally important and shouldn't be entirely ignored in favor of health care) plus the GOP's secrecy up until today have combined to make it difficult for the media to dedicate much airtime to any of this. Lol no it isn't. The investigations are happening we don't need to scream about Russia every day, just lol at this excuse. "If the public cares so much about health care, why do I keep yelling so much about Russia"
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I would argue that Trump' s unfavorability have closely followed the flow of revelations regarding Russia and the more it stays in the limelight the more cemented those numbers become.
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Sam Wang claims that the largest shift in the national mood occurred when the AHCA house bill was released but he also had to eat a bug so
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Zil posted:"If they were really disabled why were they able to put up a fight to not get removed from their wheelchairs? Just goes to show they were paid plants by Dems." I saw one today that was mostly replies saying a protestor was fat and thus didn't care about her health/was her own fault she was disabled
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They'll say all the healthcare problems people face are Obamacare. AHCA just tried to help
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Defenestration posted:They'll say all the healthcare problems people face are Obamacare. AHCA just tried to help Good luck with that, GOP.
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Defenestration posted:They'll say all the healthcare problems people face are Obamacare. AHCA just tried to help It'll work, and they'll just be able to touch it again in 2019 and make it even worse.
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Maybe you should have endorsed the guy proposing a single-payer plan last year and it wouldn't have come to this, Liz
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EugeneJ posted:Maybe you should have endorsed the guy proposing a single-payer plan last year and it wouldn't have come to this, Liz thanks for the timely and original thought on the 2016 primary berniebro
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Gonna contact my family in Wisconsin to try to get them calling Johnson's office. Do you think it would be better to express opposition from the left, right, or just to oppose it with no further comment?
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Gonna contact my family in Wisconsin to try to get them calling Johnson's office. Do you think it would be better to express opposition from the left, right, or just to oppose it with no further comment? for deeply personal reasons that will motivate their vote in the next election, like that it will strip the healthcare from grandma and she will die from the right or from the left is less relevant than making it clear it is a Big Deal and vote-determinative
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So has a date been set on a vote yet? Or is it still up in the air?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So has a date been set on a vote yet? Or is it still up in the air? No date yet but they want to get it passed before the Senate goes home for July 4 recess and has to face the constituents
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So has a date been set on a vote yet? Or is it still up in the air? It's planned for late next week.
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Defenestration posted:No date yet but they want to get it passed before the Senate goes home for July 4 recess and has to face the constituents July 4 gives some time. The more time that goes by the more people can express their outrage.
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Paul Krugman sums up the bill pretty well:Paul Krugman posted:The Senate version of Trumpcare – the Better Care Reconciliation Act – is out. The substance is terrible: tens of millions of people will experience financial distress if this passes, and tens if not hundreds of thousands will die premature deaths, all for the sake of tax cuts for a handful of wealthy people. What’s even more amazing is that Republicans are making almost no effort to justify this massive upward redistribution of income. They’re doing it because they can, because they believe that the tribalism of their voters is strong enough that they will continue to support politicians who are ruining their lives.
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He's right. They will suffer no consequences from this because their voters will never vote for a Democrat. Genius, really.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:He's right. They will suffer no consequences from this because their voters will never vote for a Democrat. Genius, really. their voters won't vote for a republican soon either because they're dead from not getting healthcare
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I think my favorite part of this bill is that it actually doesn't make a lot of adjustments to the individual market but the one adjustment it does make by removing the mandate just completely wrecks the market.
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Insurance is going to get dirt cheap for a few people because they'll have garbage plans that don't cover anything. Insurance is just going to go away for a massive chunk of americans because the cost is unreasonably high. The current republicans do not loving care because they're giving themselves/donors a trillion dollars right now and another trillion down the road. They don't give a gently caress about getting brought back in. A couple of trillion dollars lubricates enough pockets that they could lose the house and it not matter. All of this money is just going to fund replacements and without massive nationwide change there's nothing that can really be done to stop it.
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It is going to get worse before it gets better. Elections have consequences, and the result of the last one is $2+ trillion straight to the top literally at the cost of people's lives. The only way this changes is if you can convince republican voters to not vote republican. Irreparable damage is going to be done to the health of the country as a a whole so that Trump can pay no income tax. This is the first of two planned massive wealth transfers from everyone one of us to the top handful of people in the country and there isn't a god damned thing we can do but watch it happen until 2018 and then just loving hope that enough people wake up to stop it. Our nation is getting robbed blind by grifters and we're absolutely powerless to do anything about it. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:It is going to get worse before it gets better. Elections have consequences, and the result of the last one is $2+ trillion straight to the top literally at the cost of people's lives. you could try convincing people that don't vote to vote for you instead of the repeatedly-failed strategy of "appeal to Republicans"
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skull mask mcgee posted:you could try convincing people that don't vote to vote for you instead of the repeatedly-failed strategy of "appeal to Republicans" I'm talking about the vast empty swaths of this country that are majority republican. There are not enough people in the area refusing to vote to outweigh their influence. They have an effective stranglehold on the nation. Getting another million bums in new york to tally up D isn't going to matter in Montana where the majority of the populace is voting republican anyways. Ideally, yes, you do get people off the loving couch and at the polls. That's not enough, though.
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