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Skoll posted:Not from what I've seen. The game spent so long in EA with balance issues going back and forth I think a lot of goons lost interest. It's a shame because it's really fun where it is right now.
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Elysiume posted:Yeah, I stopped playing a while ago, but the summer event caught my eye. The game feels like it's in a really good place now, other than my previous complaint about blocking. I'd be at least lukewarm towards blocking if it didn't just give the zeds straight damage resistance whenever they decide to do it. You can't insta-decap a Bloat who blocks with a .500 even if you hit the head, and you can't freeze a Scrake because he puts his chainsaw in front of his face. It's obnoxious.
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Jun 23, 2017 03:53
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I wouldn't mind the blocking so much if the amount of block coverage corresponded to the area which was being blocked a little better. It's noticeable outside of zed time but you can really see it in slow-mo- the gorefast/fiend's blades block easily the entire head, neck, and shoulders even though the model only blocks a few strips over the head. Watching bullets ping off the invisible barrier in front of its face leaving sparks is loving maddening. Also, the week's event is super obnoxious when some zeds just become completely immortal when they're blocking.
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Jun 23, 2017 04:11
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Theta Zero posted:I'd be at least lukewarm towards blocking if it didn't just give the zeds straight damage resistance whenever they decide to do it. You can't insta-decap a Bloat who blocks with a .500 even if you hit the head, and you can't freeze a Scrake because he puts his chainsaw in front of his face. It's obnoxious.
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Jun 23, 2017 04:36
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Elysiume posted:Actually, I'll also add that they still haven't managed to make Hans even vaguely enjoyable to fight since I started playing. He's fun if you have or are a Berserker or Sharpshooter. And not if you don't or aren't.
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Jun 23, 2017 04:47
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I'm not really sure they CAN make Hans fun. He just isn't.
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Jun 23, 2017 05:23
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With Hans I'd say the easy way to make him more enjoyable would be to reduce how often he does his melee, and remove those explosive grenades he has
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aniviron posted:I wouldn't mind the blocking so much if the amount of block coverage corresponded to the area which was being blocked a little better. It's noticeable outside of zed time but you can really see it in slow-mo- the gorefast/fiend's blades block easily the entire head, neck, and shoulders even though the model only blocks a few strips over the head. Watching bullets ping off the invisible barrier in front of its face leaving sparks is loving maddening. As far as I know, zed blocking gives them complete damage resistance of 80% - 90% no matter where you are hitting them. I just stop firing when they do it and wait them out.
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Jun 23, 2017 05:59
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Yea Hans is a massive damage race, if you don't get him down fast he just whittles you down with his insane melee damage.
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Jun 23, 2017 07:07
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bring back that hilariously overpowered microwave groundfire and have it apply to Hans, problem solved being able to nuke his lovely rear end in ten seconds flat was the most fun I've ever had against him, so it's a real solution!
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Jun 23, 2017 07:09
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Patty rewards good positioning and is a satisfying to shoot big meaty fatwad. Hans laughs at any attempt to position as he throws his scrawny body at you, flailing around at mach five, while his armor dinks away all your bullets in a disappointing manner.
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Jun 23, 2017 07:36
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Kevin feels good to fight. His moves are telegraphed, and there's a set rhythm to fighting him. Even if you can't cheese him with pipes like in KF1. Hans lacks any sort of rhythm, throwing out moves without much rhyme or reason. Also, he's so goddamn obnoxious. How does this scrawny mostly nude Nazi dipshit take more hits than a giant lumbering creature made of spikes and yelling?
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Jun 23, 2017 07:40
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Hans also jetpacks around in a really unnatural way so its hard to tell who he is going for sometimes.
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Because German science is... (but for real, he needs to be toned down a smidge)
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The M4 buff does make enough of a difference so that it's very viable now. The extra reload speed only facilitates using the boosted ammo size so both it and this AA12 are just shotgun bullet hoses and the combo both very effectively melt large zeds. The slightly lowered weight also lets you carry a deagle and a medic pistol so you can handle single targets, long range targets, and heal your teammates as well. It's fantastic and I actually like playing Support now. Between this and the centerfire being a fantastic Gunslinger weapon, the only class I'm kind of eh about is SWAT because it just doesn't do things that other classes can't do better. Oh, and Survivalist but Survivalist has always been bad. Still not using any other class but Sharpshooter on bosses, though. Too good. Theta Zero fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 10:55
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I think the other problem with Hans is his forcefield phase(s). In a game all about excessive amounts of detail and feedback, let's have a huge portion of the boss be plinking away at a bubble while he zips around no-selling everything. Though on second thought, doesn't he basically no-sell poo poo all the time?
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Jun 23, 2017 13:38
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Yeah, I don't even know if he has hit reactions. That said, the past two weeks whenever he's come up on suicidal I haven't necessarily had fun fighting him, but he also hasn't been unfun to fight. It's just a damage sponge fight.
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Jun 23, 2017 14:14
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I just don't understand how there's only 2 bosses. Like, I'm sure it's not an afternoon of work, but the game has bee around long enough that they should add a bit of variety.
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Internet Explorer posted:I just don't understand how there's only 2 bosses. Like, I'm sure it's not an afternoon of work, but the game has bee around long enough that they should add a bit of variety. They mentioned they had a third in the pipeline awhile ago.
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Jun 23, 2017 14:52
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I have never actually played vs survival but isn't there a third boss there?
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Bogart posted:I have never actually played vs survival but isn't there a third boss there? Not that I know of. Though tbh I only played it when it came out to get the achievements, then never touched it again.
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I too enjoy the revamped M4. It's a different sort of playstyle to the rest of the support weapons, and I don't think I like it as much as the AA12/double barrel/trench gun, but it's a nice change of pace. The shot clusters so tightly it almost feels more like playing with a powerful lever action than a shotgun. Also, the reload animation is hilarious in third person now. It's like those tae bo videos when they do double time- nobody can move that fast in real life so they just sped up the video by a factor of two, and that's exactly what the reload animation looks like now.
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Bogart posted:I have never actually played vs survival but isn't there a third boss there? No, you play as the Patriarch.
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Yeah idk it feels like I'm playing a different version of KF2 because the Patriarch just shits all over us and it's basically a guaranteed wipe on HOE.
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Jun 24, 2017 02:33
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Good. The hardest difficulty level should have a very low completion chance.
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Nah, it's really dumb that completion is basically a dice roll depending on which boss spawns.
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Kevin's an assured victory for us, Hans is still pretty up in the air but basically guaranteed unless we decided not to prepare for either of them or decided to do dumb gimmick stuff like sextuple Demolitions, which worked anyways. I don't know what you're doing but on HoE to not assure a win, but you should realize that some classes are outright not useful for the boss.
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Is there a Discord or something for if I actually feel like tryharding?
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Theta Zero posted:Kevin's an assured victory for us, Hans is still pretty up in the air but basically guaranteed unless we decided not to prepare for either of them or decided to do dumb gimmick stuff like sextuple Demolitions, which worked anyways. Well it's not like we're running survivalists; usually a medic and berserker combo and a mix of demo/sharp/firebug for the boss and we're all 20+ if not 25. We just get picked off where the medic and berserker are usually the last two alive. And I tried the freeze grenade thing and it didn't really work; I guess you need more than one sharp throwing them? 
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UnknownMercenary posted:Well it's not like we're running survivalists; usually a medic and berserker combo and a mix of demo/sharp/firebug for the boss and we're all 20+ if not 25. We just get picked off where the medic and berserker are usually the last two alive. We don't run Medics because it's usually better if the boss just dies faster rather than giving it a chance to sustain the fight longer than it should. From my experience the optimal team comp is six Sharpshooters, otherwise five Sharpshooters and a Commando (to see Kevin when he cloaks and crowd control) or four Sharpshooters, and Commando, and a Berserker (to stall Hans/Kevin), but the more Sharpshooters the merrier. A commando is especially important on maps where Kevin is difficult to see because even when he's frozen, he's still cloaked. If you want a super-safe, fool-proof team composition, go for a tank Berserker paired with a buff Medic, and either a Commando and three Sharpshooters or just four Sharpshooters. It takes around 2-3 freeze grenades to ice Kevin, and you throw them the moment his health bar changes color. If you timed it right, he should be visible and frozen, but otherwise you'll have to find out where he's frozen at. Your sharpshooters should just grenade dump two grenades a piece on him, use the first two perks in their skill tree, crouch while firing, and double tap when they fire the railgun (since it reloads faster). As for Hans, you'll wreck him and his shield nearly instantly, and you'll have to decide to either go for the speed kill and dumpster him and his shield, or do it cautiously by killing off the zeds he spawns before going in for the next cycle. Aim for both bosses heads, Kevin's giant green arm, and Hans' backpack since they are all weak points.
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Theta Zero posted:but you should realize that some classes are outright not useful for the boss. That really is something that should be changed
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drrockso20 posted:That really is something that should be changed To be fair, we're talking about the situation at the top end. If you aren't playing the game on the hardest difficulty then you don't need to aggressively minmax like that.
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drrockso20 posted:That really is something that should be changed I agree with that. SWAT has absolutely zero place in the final boss, especially when his damage is gimped and his flashbangs aren't effective. Firebug is okay with the MG, Demo is great with rockets, Commando can help but has pretty lackluster damage, Support is a glass cannon, Gunslinger is okay, and Survivalist is Survivalist. There's only about three classes actually worth using on HoE boss.
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Gromit posted:To be fair, we're talking about the situation at the top end. If you aren't playing the game on the hardest difficulty then you don't need to aggressively minmax like that. Nah, even on suicidal and hard it is very noticeable how much worse classes like SWAT and Gunslinger are against the bosses. I do solos for fun sometimes and while I can breeze through the game as either of those classes if I don't switch for the boss wave it's at least going to be a very close fight if not a loss; if I do switch, I shoot the boss in the head two or three times with the railgun or RPG-7 and it's as easy as the rest of the game. Even worse, neither class has anything useful to contribute to the fight beyond meagre damage; I could sort of understand their aenemic damage if they were like Medic and could keep everyone else alive easily when in non-solo and tanked like crazy, but neither class is useful at all beyond its damage output.
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Around when did Gunslinger get nerfed, with the resistance changes? Because I remember before that Gunslinger was pretty good, especially with rack em up and having more mobility than a lot of classes. I admittedly stopped playing months before that, and only picked up again early this year so I missed out on over a year's worth of balance changes.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Around when did Gunslinger get nerfed, with the resistance changes? Because I remember before that Gunslinger was pretty good, especially with rack em up and having more mobility than a lot of classes. I admittedly stopped playing months before that, and only picked up again early this year so I missed out on over a year's worth of balance changes. For a long time the Gunslinger was just Commando But Better. That kinda changed when the monsters started hopping around a lot more on HoE.
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Haven't played in ages, this game is so different, wow! Hows the support weapon these days? Just trying stuff out in a game now and the new shotgun seems really cool.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Around when did Gunslinger get nerfed, with the resistance changes? Because I remember before that Gunslinger was pretty good, especially with rack em up and having more mobility than a lot of classes. I admittedly stopped playing months before that, and only picked up again early this year so I missed out on over a year's worth of balance changes. Gunslinger is still good. The .500 continues to be excellent, if modestly less ludicrous than it used to be. Still one-shots everything short of Husks, I believe.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Around when did Gunslinger get nerfed, with the resistance changes? Because I remember before that Gunslinger was pretty good, especially with rack em up and having more mobility than a lot of classes. I admittedly stopped playing months before that, and only picked up again early this year so I missed out on over a year's worth of balance changes. Gunslinger was nerfed with resistances, just because every monster was changed to resist Gunslinger weapons. They changed this so that no monster resists Gunslinger weapons but also isn't weak to them either. Gunslinger is still good and can pretty much kill everything and is capable of doing damage on the bosses, but he's effectively a Sharpshooter with more mobility over damage. Flipswitch posted:Haven't played in ages, this game is so different, wow! As of now you can run pretty much every Support combination you want and do well. Except the nailgun, that thing sucks.
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I was intrigued by what a Lavender Town map would be, and I wasn't disappointed. Pokecenters, Pokeshops, and the tower were all enterable.  e: hm 
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