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Ariong posted:You're crossing the garbage wires! BTW, I meant "based on some dialogue in the show", not "based on Facebook dialogue".
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You're crossing wires as in Corinne was the woman that was sexually assaulted while Rachel was the woman that was made to keep a bigot on her show these programs are god drat dog food in a dumpster
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DoombatINC posted:You're crossing wires as in Corinne was the woman that was sexually assaulted while Rachel was the woman that was made to keep a bigot on her show these programs are god drat dog food in a dumpster
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sexpig by night posted:I mean yea you can reduce it super hard to that but the one dude dude who started this whole "OH GOD THE BLACKS ON TWITTER ARE GOING WILD ON OUR POOR POOR BROTHERS" derail was just kinda taking the not unique or fringe stance that a show where george washington raps and only addresses slavery with generic 'and guys, slavery is bad' throwaway lines that none of the actual founders believed in and has moments where Thomas Jefferson has cutesy banter referencing the slave he raped like she was his girlfriend actually is kinda a problem to a lot of people and that manifests in being a little sick of seeing Lin getting praised as some progressive force for making Washington black. That and its basically this made real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_rEqCivn4
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achillesforever6 posted:A lot of leftists I see and know seem to hate it because its catnip for the well off liberal elites and centrists who quote the play to slam Trump et al on twitter. That and it's the biggest softest safest style of 'Rap' to make sure it's digestible for even the Whitest Liberals. (And the more traditional musical styled parts are average at best but that's a Separate discussion)
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Justin's put a post up on the MBMBaM Appreciation Group about them backing off of involvement with their fan pages. Not sure if the text can be read by non-members, so here it is.Justin McElroy posted:So, a few changes are coming down the pike for this group today to try to address concerns from members of this community. If you’re a follower of any of our other podcasts’ Facebook groups, you’ll probably notice that we’re taking similar steps across all those groups to fix a broader problem that stems from a policy we’ve followed since these groups’ inception.
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Do people really hate Lin because of Hamilton? The musical is not without issues but at worst he's a well intentioned nerd.
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SoupyTwist posted:Do people really hate Lin because of Hamilton? The musical is not without issues but at worst he's a well intentioned nerd. Oh I don't hate him I just think Hamilton stinks. And people that are Mad At Hamilton are more mad that something with so many issues is upheld as some cool progressive thing while it's basically just trying to smooth over a lot of really awful people (The founding fathers sucked and were almost unilaterally garbage human beings)
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Jun 23, 2017 17:34
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SoupyTwist posted:Do people really hate Lin because of Hamilton? The musical is not without issues but at worst he's a well intentioned nerd. I've hated him since the rhyming bus episode of HIMYM
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Jun 23, 2017 17:35
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Oh I don't hate him I just think Hamilton stinks. We better stop doing stories about pretty much any historical figure in power then.
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Jun 23, 2017 17:36
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SpacePig posted:Justin's put a post up on the MBMBaM Appreciation Group about them backing off of involvement with their fan pages. this is at the very top of the "Things You Could See Coming From A Mile Away" list :/
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SoupyTwist posted:Do people really hate Lin because of Hamilton? The musical is not without issues but at worst he's a well intentioned nerd.
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Jun 23, 2017 17:39
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Chin Strap posted:We better stop doing stories about pretty much any historical figure in power then. Well at least not ones that try and turn a man forcing himself on a woman he literally owned into that same man talking cutsey about his girlfriend. Like there's a lot of fiction that's about people who did great things that don't try and relitigate the ducked up poo poo they also did.
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Jun 23, 2017 17:40
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Well at least not ones that try and turn a man forcing himself on a woman he literally owned into that same man talking cutsey about his girlfriend. I mean maybe it comes off that way when you listen to it but the staging of the production makes Jefferson's cruelty very apparant. but that's part of how hosed up broadway prodcutions are in general, from a marxist perspective
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ATP5G1 posted:this is at the very top of the "Things You Could See Coming From A Mile Away" list Also, not surprisingly, comments are disabled for the post. I can't imagine what it must feel like to do everything you can to be as open and inclusive of your fanbase as you possibly can, only to have certain sectors of it shout you out of your own interactive groups.
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I hope Griffin and Rachel switch to Survivor. I could totally watch Survivor along with them. The Bachelor products are just loving terrible though; I can't get through five minutes.
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Survivor would be really good, it would be nice to have discussion on the show that isn't from people involved in the extremely weird alumni incest cult that the show has produced
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Also irrespective of how you feel about the politics of his work, I think we can all agree that the worst thing about Lin is that while he's an undeniably talented songwriter, he's crap at performing and yet continues to undermine everything he creates by shoving himself to the forefront to showcase his terrible acting, dancing, and singing. Dude was nominated for an Oscar, and yet he still felt the need to specifically create a dumb rap to preface "How Far I'll Go" for the ceremony because he cannot go a hot minute without reminding everyone who's the star of the show. One of the most hilarious things he's ever said was that it took him forever to decide whether he would play Hamilton or Burr. It is obvious to anyone with a brain that the part of Hamilton is tailored towards weak singers, Burr specifically requires a singing voice that actually sounds good, and that while Lin's ego may be larger than the moon he'd never be stupid enough to write himself a part in his magnum opus where he was actually required to display any significant level of vocal ability. SpacePig posted:Also, not surprisingly, comments are disabled for the post. I can't imagine what it must feel like to do everything you can to be as open and inclusive of your fanbase as you possibly can, only to have certain sectors of it shout you out of your own interactive groups. It's really loving sad, and it's a sentiment that I'm seeing expressed by an increasingly large number of online artists/creator people who have developed a shred of popularity. Not that I'm admitting I pay attention to The Tumblrs, but there is definitely a phenomenon of users who start becoming popular for the combination of talent and inclusive representations in their writing or artwork who ultimately end up deleting their blog, going private, or transitioning entirely to a self-run website that doesn't allow comments because they no longer want to deal with the inevitable bullshit. I am beginning to have the opinion that posting on the Internet should be like renting a car. Nobody should be allowed to publicly post anything save honest questions until they reach the age of 25. back to McElroys . . . I greatly enjoyed Rachel and Griffin's review of Please Marry My Boy. It turns out this is not even the first time this hillarible idea has surfaced, nor even the most cringe-worthy name. I give you Momma's Boys. Turns out there is also a whole world of family-driven dating shows that I must've blocked from my memory of the 00s, such as Date My Mom, Who Wants to Marry My Dad, Parental Control, and Meet My Folks. If they were willing I would totally watch these shows with them and cringe along to every moment. also what if we switched to Chinese Dating, because it genuinely looks interesting and is unlikely to be 100% trash and garbagepeople? ATP5G1 fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 18:15
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Never seen Hamilton, but whenever I hear snippets it sounds like it's only slightly more advanced than someone going "My name is Alex and I'm here to say/I love federalism in a major way"
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Jun 23, 2017 18:21
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I think Hamilton is very cool, perhaps also very good
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ATP5G1 posted:Also irrespective of how you feel about the politics of his work, I think we can all agree that the worst thing about Lin is that while he's an undeniably talented songwriter, he's crap at performing Uh, no? Like, it's cool if you don't like his performance, and I'm sure you're far from alone on that front, but I'm not sure where you got the idea that it is the majority opinion, let alone such a universal one that you can just offhandedly mention it before basing your entire argument around it. You do realize that just because you don't like something doesn't mean that everyone doesn't like it right? I understand that is a very condescending question, but I don't understand how else you could look at the world and come to the conclusion that Lin Manuel Goddamn Miranda is an unpopular performer. EDIT: I want to make it absolutely clear that I am not saying that you are wrong for not liking him. That's perfectly valid. EDIT2: Unrelated. Let's Go To Hell is a series I'm really excited for, but I hope they revisit Super Monkey Ball 2 at some point. That game is unique in terms of how much detail is put into the things oyu see very little of will never see. For example, the textures and models in the skyboxes are insanely high-res considering that you're always a mile away from them. Ariong fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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it's weird how hamilton is this unifying factor for goons. of course it's problematic. as someone with no taste for musical theatre, i enjoyed it. i can see the argument that some of the music is derivative, but saying there's no lyrical complexity is indefensible.
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SpacePig posted:Justin's put a post up on the MBMBaM Appreciation Group about them backing off of involvement with their fan pages. Not sure if the text can be read by non-members, so here it is. We've been talking a while about how this was going to be what the McElroy's had to do at some point, but it sucks that it took people being shitheads to a teenage girl to push them over the edge.
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Somberbrero posted:but saying there's no lyrical complexity is indefensible. I mean, like, the style and flow are bad. Never listened to enough to pay attention to the lyrics.
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Jun 23, 2017 18:39
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Maybe Griffin releases Big Gulp to the public, maybe this whole thing just goes away.
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PostNouveau posted:Never seen Hamilton, but whenever I hear snippets it sounds like it's only slightly more advanced than someone going "My name is Alex and I'm here to say/I love federalism in a major way" Nah, the rap parts are actually quite complex in parts. Some parts are a bit corny, but it's technically impressive. It's a silly thing to track, but Daveed Diggs has the record for the fastest rap on broadway, too. It's on Guns and Ships, where he's playing Lafayette.
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Soup du Jour posted:We've been talking a while about how this was going to be what the McElroy's had to do at some point, but it sucks that it took people being shitheads to a teenage girl to push them over the edge. The fact that it got to that point is sad, but the fact that the boys stuck with their fans long enough that it got to that point is impressive. I'm honestly surprised they didn't do it months ago.
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I unironically believe Hamilton would have been better written and performed by Future. What little I've heard of Lin's rap sounds like lovely "epic rap battles of history" garbage.
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I find it impressive how many negative comments on Hamilton end with "I have actually only heard snippets" or something of that effect. Lots of hot takes to a broadway musical that peeps haven't seen. Then again that's also my case, so. Anyway, I hope Griffin and our fourth brother unleash their new series soon so this thread can stop being crap.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I find it impressive how many negative comments on Hamilton end with "I have actually only heard snippets" or something of that effect. Lots of hot takes to a broadway musical that peeps haven't seen. my other brother and me: the rise of dougie
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I find it impressive how many negative comments on Hamilton end with "I have actually only heard snippets" or something of that effect. Lots of hot takes to a broadway musical that peeps haven't seen. They already did. It is Very Good™.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I find it impressive how many negative comments on Hamilton end with "I have actually only heard snippets" or something of that effect. Lots of hot takes to a broadway musical that peeps haven't seen. Shockingly the majority of people can't experience a smash Broadway musical first hand
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purple death ray posted:Shockingly the majority of people can't experience a smash Broadway musical first hand You can listen to basically the entire thing for free at least. You're still missing out on the context of choreography or w/e but that doesn't seem to be what people are complaining about.
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Ariong posted:They already did. It is Very Good™. Yessssss
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purple death ray posted:Shockingly the majority of people can't experience a smash Broadway musical first hand You can hear all the songs on Spotify for free though, also youtube. I'm mostly neutral on Hamilton, but I still feel like you should at least listen to one song before you say the entire musical sucks.
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SpacePig posted:Also, not surprisingly, comments are disabled for the post. I can't imagine what it must feel like to do everything you can to be as open and inclusive of your fanbase as you possibly can, only to have certain sectors of it shout you out of your own interactive groups. I haven't listened to a McElroy show in over year, but I feel like every time I've seen them come up in my Twitter or Tumblr feeds they've been apologizing for something. I get that they're trying to be inclusive and everything but if you let people walk all over you and never stand up for yourself or your creative output, some people are going to assume they can just bully you into doing whatever they want.
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