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CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Fulchrum posted:

FIne, how about "If instead of a general election, Labour had been forced to take place in an election involving only seats in Swindon, Isle of Wight, Mole Valley and Winchester, they would have done no better than the Dems did in SC-05, GA-06, KS-04, and Montana". WIll you concede that?

Maybe. I dont know how hard labour focussed on places like that tbh this time round since it was a shorter campaign.

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glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)
The other night I was at a bar and I met a British woman and she got mad when I said that Dorset was close to Bristol.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Skex posted:

What do you think the results might be if the centrists and party leadership treated the left of their own party with the level of respect that they show Republicans?

As opposed to stuff like letting them write the platform or appointing the loser of the chairperson race second in command because the left wanted him?

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005








In lieu of the WaPo article, I bet they've got a connection with one of the people on trump's campaign.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

#SupportTheDeepState

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
in case you missed it this morning among all the brokebrained fuckery about non-trump elections in this thread, this is a loving encyclopedia re:russia and election interference, with so many scoops and bombshells it literally needed a table of contents for them:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.d222edd15c96

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Skex posted:

What do you think the results might be if the centrists and party leadership treated the left of their own party with the level of respect that they show Republicans?

A really good post, in a long line of them.

Fulchrum posted:

As opposed to stuff like letting them write the platform or appointing the loser of the chairperson race second in command because the left wanted him?

The platform is a joke in politics and everyone knows it. It's symbolic at best.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Skex posted:

What do you think the results might be if the centrists and party leadership treated the left of their own party with the level of respect that they show Republicans?

WampaLord posted:

The platform is a joke in politics and everyone knows it. It's symbolic at best.

Well there's the answer for what the result is - anything the Dems give to them is treated as an insult and not good enough no matter what.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/878269472834039810

tl;dr Russian import controls mean they have to look at your code in order to let your poo poo into the country and whoops! The FSB is gonna turn right back around and use that to hack the devices.

https://twitter.com/SethHanlon/status/877909503601070081
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/878276899977527301
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/878276675896782848
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/878276293309079553
https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/878000569964675072

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jun 23, 2017

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

glowing-fish posted:

The other night I was at a bar and I met a British woman and she got mad when I said that Dorset was close to Bristol.

glowing-fish baffled by relativism; news at eleven.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


BarbarianElephant posted:

Horrific abuse behind the scenes? Or, I dunno, she's a model (snooty expressions r us) and has had a lot of botox. I'd lean to the latter.

Yeah people who do modeling have a habit of moving in a way that works very very well for still photography but which seems a bit odd when you see a video of them or meet them in person.

Those videos of models moving through like 20 poses in a few seconds is a good (if extreme) example of it in action. Kind of looks like they are doing the robot.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Fulchrum posted:

So what you're saying is, Corbyn has an easier time and the Dems are doing better? What the gently caress are you talking about?

Seats can still be safe while without being gerrymandered.

I'm talking about the extremely basic political fact that active political gerrymandering doesn't result in super-safe seats like Salisbury, they result in a maximum number of seats where the gerrymandering party has a comfortable advantage. From this immediately follows that the safest seats in the U.K. are very likely to be much safer than the safest seats in the US. Hence you're either bullshitting hard by drawing an equivalence between two vastly different cases so you can pretend that your dumb worldview is still legitimate, or you're just ignorant as all hell.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Fulchrum posted:

Well there's the answer for what the result is - anything the Dems give to them is treated as an insult and not good enough no matter what.

The funny thing is, I'm not even "the left." I don't think we'll ever have Full Communism, hell, probably not even Full Socialism. I'd be perfectly happy with a Nordic style social democracy.

In a sane world, I'd be a perfect Democrat, but instead I'm a crazy lefty for wanting my party to actually push for progress.

E: VVV fun fact, Labour spent less on their entire campaign than the DNC did on GA-06

WampaLord fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 23, 2017

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Cerebral Bore posted:

I'm talking about the extremely basic political fact that active political gerrymandering doesn't result in super-safe seats like Salisbury, they result in a maximum number of seats where the gerrymandering party has a comfortable advantage. From this immediately follows that the safest seats in the U.K. are very likely to be much safer than the safest seats in the US. Hence you're either bullshitting hard by drawing an equivalence between two vastly different cases so you can pretend that your dumb worldview is still legitimate, or you're just ignorant as all hell.
Also, in a non-gerrymandered system there's no incentive to campaign in the super-safe seats since there will always be better targets. Corbyn didn't get his swing in Salisbury by sinking millions of pounds into it.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
:eng101: This is neither the UK election circle jerk thread nor the Democrats are a waste circle jerk thread.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

That's the perfect picture of Turtle McFuckerson to go with an op ed about Republicans funneling money to rich fuckers.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

Cerebral Bore posted:

I'm talking about the extremely basic political fact that active political gerrymandering doesn't result in super-safe seats like Salisbury, they result in a maximum number of seats where the gerrymandering party has a comfortable advantage. From this immediately follows that the safest seats in the U.K. are very likely to be much safer than the safest seats in the US. Hence you're either bullshitting hard by drawing an equivalence between two vastly different cases so you can pretend that your dumb worldview is still legitimate, or you're just ignorant as all hell.

:psyduck: No, that does not immediately follow you giant maroon

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

WampaLord posted:

E: VVV fun fact, Labour spent less on their entire campaign than the DNC did on GA-06

Fun fact, the USA and U.K. Have completely different media environments and laws regarding political speech as to make that comparison meaningless.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

https://twitter.com/superdeluxe/status/878010239316090881

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Can you assholes just create a Perpetual Election Relitigation thread already?

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


This UK derail sure is something awful.

Total Party Kill
Aug 25, 2005


Do you think Jones is just a man too terrified of the world to face it that he blames demons and grand conspiracies for our ills or is he simply trying to make a buck. Both?

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011

BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:

Do you think Jones is just a man too terrified of the world to face it that he blames demons and grand conspiracies for our ills or is he simply trying to make a buck. Both?

yes

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

eggyolk posted:

This UK derail sure is dead comedy forum.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:

Do you think Jones is just a man too terrified of the world to face it that he blames demons and grand conspiracies for our ills or is he simply trying to make a buck. Both?

Like the homeless people muttering about aliens while they walk down the street, schitzophrenia is never off the table.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

There Bias Two posted:

Listening to him speak off the cuff gives me a headache because my brain fails to parse it into a meaningful statement.

So does his.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:

Do you think Jones is just a man too terrified of the world to face it that he blames demons and grand conspiracies for our ills or is he simply trying to make a buck. Both?

Whatever he initially thought, I think he's taken one too many of his off-brand BRAIN FORCE PLUS

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
David Fahrenthold Likes making GBS threads On Trump

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/878281604375781376

skylined! fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 23, 2017

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

"Breaking News: decades of documented insane behavior may indicate mental illness"

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Acebuckeye13 posted:

:psyduck: No, that does not immediately follow you giant maroon

Don't you get how gerrymandering works, dude?

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Cerebral Bore posted:

Don't you get how gerrymandering works, dude?

:fuckoff: to another thread dipshit

https://twitter.com/julieturkewitz/status/878283219531157504

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!


I swear to god Alex Jones is like some sort of Voltron of every King Of The Hill character.

Snuffman
May 21, 2004


Don't give him any ideas.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/politiCOHEN_/status/878275062595538944
https://twitter.com/politiCOHEN_/status/878284568062767104
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/878282629199478784
https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/878015553394294784

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp
Ah, gently caress it

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Not sure what the mods were expecting when they immediately closed the ga-06 thread. When has that ever not resulted in massive post spillover into other threads? They should have let the tut-tuts and told-you-so's happen.

Personally, the issue with Ossoff's results isn't that he did well (he did), but rather that with millions of dollars of support he managed to turn in less impressive results than three candidates given no money and running on leftism and community roots.

IMO we should all be happy the takeaway from this seems to be "triangulating centrists fail really hard" rather than "if we funnel millions of dollars into wet fart candidates we might be able to win! Status Quo! Status Quo!"

E: Not even the most disingenuous poster can get away with saying Corbyn lost. With no support among the echelons of Labour or any news outlet he resuscitated his party in every district, and would be PM if scottish labour hadn't ran away from him and gave up SNP seats to Tories.

He's at a point where conservatives are adopting policies he publically suggests just to avoid countrywide backlash over said policies not yet existing.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 23, 2017

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

NO poo poo.

Javes
May 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT APPEARING OFFLINE SO I DON'T HAVE TO TELL FRIENDS THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY VIDEO GAME TEAM.
I know he's poisoning the country with his terrible show but I really enjoy these clips of Alex Jones being insane.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Enough with the UK BS and call your senators about the healthcare debacle.

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TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

That's pathetic.

Maybe next time they could cosplay Farscape Peacekeepers to really drive the point home!

This is why democrats will continue to lose until the heat death of the universe finally puts us out of our misery.

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