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Fair enough, I'm wrong on those counts. I was being obtuse as well.
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PathAsc posted:No, and my mental issues aside: are you adverse to having a pointed discussion? 
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Jun 22, 2017 03:05
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Hey what about actively convincing an underaged person to send you/post nudes? Someone they know and trust sending hundreds of messages grooming them to do it. Do you think they would or should get off scot-free if they managed to not be "in possession" of kiddy porn at trial time by deleting it? Is the actual act of convincing them a legal right?
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Jun 22, 2017 03:18
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This court case reminds me of the "Pusher" episode of the x-files. Didn't he also "push" people to kill themselves? I forget how the episode ended...I think he ended up pushing Mulder to go on a date with him or something.
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Jun 22, 2017 03:20
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Loutre posted:Hey what about actively convincing an underaged person to send you/post nudes? Someone they know and trust sending hundreds of messages grooming them to do it. i think it would never get to court if there was no evidence
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Jun 22, 2017 03:29
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Convincing someone to kill themselves is a bad thing
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Jun 22, 2017 04:02
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Loutre posted:Hey what about actively convincing an underaged person to send you/post nudes? Someone they know and trust sending hundreds of messages grooming them to do it. I hope you are convicted.
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Jun 22, 2017 04:09
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facebook jihad posted:Is that a real thing? Because it kind of makes sense Yeah. The logic is that a judge is on average going to be more likely to follow the letter of the law in their decision vs jury can be swayed by dumb stuff like 'but, a white girl!' COMRADES fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 04:29
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COMRADES posted:Yeah. The logic is that a judge is on average going to more likely to follow the letter of the law in their decision vs jury can be swayed by dumb stuff like 'but, a white girl!' The only white women I want to see in prison are the lesbian ones from the adult movies.
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Jun 22, 2017 04:30
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facebook jihad posted:Convincing someone to kill themselves is a bad thing Bad but I'm pretty iffy on if it should be a crime.
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Jun 22, 2017 04:36
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EX250 Type R posted:i think it would never get to court if there was no evidence If they have the messages that is enough. Why don't you have a seat, right over there?
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Jun 22, 2017 04:38
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I mean how much do we know about the "victim"? Maybe what the girl said was all true and her biggest crime was lying for attention in public.
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Jun 22, 2017 04:38
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Was this a public facebook or whatever?
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Jun 22, 2017 04:40
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COMRADES posted:Yeah. The logic is that a judge is on average going to be more likely to follow the letter of the law in their decision vs jury can be swayed by dumb stuff like 'but, a white girl!' this can work in the other direction though, for example if the accused is black. or if she acts unremorseful, looks like a supervillain, and the evidence on display is a string of text messages that make the sender look like a complete psychopath. juries are weird. there have been plenty of innocent people locked up on the weakest of evidence just because they didn't break down and scream NOOOOOOOOOOO! at the heavens when they learned their family was dead. your 12 peers are generally 12 idiots who watch TV all day and think $15 per diem, a crappy lunch, and an excuse to skip work is a good deal.
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Jun 22, 2017 04:45
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Veshpo posted:When you call everything murder, it cheapens actual murder. everybody look at this loving post look at it
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Jun 22, 2017 17:26
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PathAsc posted:Fair enough, I'm wrong on those counts. I was being obtuse as well. I don't know any of the context for your discussion, but I saw you being humble and wanted to say go gently caress yourself you piece of poo poo.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:30
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Thursday Next posted:everybody look at this loving post You can put it on my goddammed headstone
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Jun 22, 2017 17:46
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i'd miss my dead gay coerced-into-suicide son, but theres just so many manslaughter charges these days that i can't be bothered to care 
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Jun 22, 2017 18:04
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:I don't know any of the context for your discussion, but I saw you being humble and wanted to say go gently caress yourself you piece of poo poo. Why not tell me to kill myself instead? I feel like that may be your true feelings, don't let your life be a lie. I believe in you!
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Jun 22, 2017 18:16
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Soup du Journey posted:hehe please explain to me how you think prosecutorial discretion should work We could start by giving it to black people and taking it away from the politically connected and their scumbag idiot children.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:38
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PathAsc posted:Why not tell me to kill myself instead? I feel like that may be your true feelings, don't let your life be a lie. I believe in you! listen I'm not telling you to die, but I do think you should get back in the truck
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Jun 22, 2017 18:42
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Soup du Journey posted:i'd miss my dead gay coerced-into-suicide son, but theres just so many manslaughter charges these days that i can't be bothered to care how did we make it this far without a heathers reference
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Jun 22, 2017 18:57
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:listen I'm not telling you to die, but I do think you should get back in the truck I in a truck, now what?
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Jun 22, 2017 19:59
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PathAsc posted:I in a truck, now what? Pretend you are driving and make rumbling noises with your lips to simulate the noise of the truck. Optionally, you can pretend like you are a fireman and also make siren noises.
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Literally A Person posted:Pretend you are driving and make rumbling noises with your lips to simulate the noise of the truck. Optionally, you can pretend like you are a fireman and also make siren noises. Ok, now what? I'm starting to feel pretty connected with this vehicle.
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Jun 22, 2017 21:46
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PathAsc posted:Ok, now what? I'm starting to feel pretty connected with this vehicle. Now take video and pictures of yourself doing this and show us. I promise we won't judge Because there are probably like ten people in this thread who do this poo poo like everyday.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:45
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COMRADES posted:If they have the messages that is enough. if they state has evidence then it makes the rest of his hypothetical moot
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Jun 22, 2017 23:03
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see the issue is she was TEXTING him to kill himself it's freedom of speech not freedom of sending dumb texts read the fuckin constiution
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Jun 23, 2017 01:41
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I have to think that Olympic Shotput Gold Medalist Michelle Carter is not too happy about Big Head Mode and her antics. She works her rear end off, wins a gold medal, sets Olympic shotput records, and still ends up the second result in a Wikipedia search for "Michelle Carter." I think that Michelle the athlete probably has to do something illegal in order to regain that top spot. More gold medals isn't going to do it. She needs to rob an art museum or kill someone with emojis or something. Shout out to current Olympian and future Emoji Killer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Carter_(athlete)
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maskenfreiheit posted:see the issue is she was TEXTING him to kill himself it's freedom of speech not freedom of sending dumb texts read the fuckin constiution Well it was more of a manslaughter thing in this case.
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Jun 23, 2017 15:34
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Though her time in prison will be short she will serve a much longer sentence in the super max prison of her head
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Jun 23, 2017 17:47
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at some point you just gotta say embrace it and shave the fucker, imo
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This isn't a "Freedom of Speech" issue, it's a causation issue. It's precedent because now 'words' have been raised to the level of physical violence or weapons in their legal ability to cause death. That's a bad precedent because it's realtively easy to determine whether a bullet killed someone. It's extremely problematic to put it up for vote whether someone's words 'killed' someone. At the far end of the spectrum is what this girl did; the most desperate, concerted effort to kill someone with words. It's good, context ignored , that she's in jail, because she did a bad thing. At the other end of the spectrum is someone telling their friend to 'gently caress off', and that friend goes home and writes a note saying, I killed myself because Joe told me to gently caress off, and he knew I wanted to kill myself, and then sticks his head in the oven. If in your mind, the difference between the number and severity of the words is relevant, then you have a very dangerous mindset. A physical act either kills someone, or it doesn't - there is no spectrum. If words can be weapons, then everything you say to any other person is technically on the spectrum of whether or not it has the power to legally cause their death. She was convicted of Killing someone without Killing anyone. If you can't appreciate the dangers of that because you're so mad at the psycho bitch that did this, then you should really step back and take a breath.
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blarzgh posted:This isn't a "Freedom of Speech" issue, it's a causation issue. It's precedent because now 'words' have been raised to the level of physical violence or weapons in their legal ability to cause death. If you clutch those pearls any tighter your going to grind them into dust.
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Who What Now posted:If you clutch those pearls any tighter your going to grind them into dust. If you clutch my nuts any lighter, I'm not going to finish.
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blarzgh posted:This isn't a "Freedom of Speech" issue, it's a causation issue. It's precedent because now 'words' have been raised to the level of physical violence or weapons in their legal ability to cause death. manslaughter often involves "killing somebody without killing them" you naive baby
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Thirsty Girl posted:manslaughter often involves "killing somebody without killing them" you naive baby I love it when people are so fired up on the internet that they don't worry about what they're saying, or who they're saying it to.
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And if in your head you're thinking of the culpability for the homicide of another during the co-commission of a related felony, then you're talking about an even more dangerous standard where if you happen to be carrying enough drugs with your friend in the car, and your friend talks someone else into killing themselves, you're going to prison. Edit: and even here I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because the element of causation in felony liability is still dependent on some act that could have caused the individual's death.
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blarzgh posted:I love it when people are so fired up on the internet that they don't worry about what they're saying, or who they're saying it to. You don't really need to explain why your posts are so dumb - we get it.
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"It's precedent because now 'words' have been raised to the level of physical violence or weapons in their legal ability to cause death" Lol was this your crazy friends facebook or something? Nice find!
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