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happyhippy posted:I would love to ask such a fuckwit how many bakesales does it take to afford chemo. It takes precisely 40 cakes worth.
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Well if you'd just sell your cakes for 10,000 dollars each then you'd have money for chemo
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happyhippy posted:I would love to ask such a fuckwit how many bakesales does it take to afford chemo. Another reason to attend a mega church. Lots of people to guilt trip into paying into your gofundme not to die.
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evilmiera posted:It takes precisely 40 cakes worth. And that's terrible
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Trabisnikof posted:Another reason to attend a mega church. Lots of people to guilt trip into paying into your gofundme not to die. I wonder what the time to acceptance is in one of those. Maybe I can make a career out of grifting my fellow Americans through the power of the lord.
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People already do this
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Chard posted:I wonder what the time to acceptance is in one of those. Maybe I can make a career out of grifting my fellow Americans through the power of the lord. They already have that, it's call "evangelism"
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Shifty Pony posted:That's not what the Washington Post is reporting: well least pre existing bullshit is still gone in the senate bill, i bet you thats what cruz and friends hate.
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happyhippy posted:I would love to ask such a fuckwit how many bakesales does it take to afford chemo. And this isn't a thing I've heard from some cohesive group of people but from many people who live miles and miles apart, who don't know eachother, over many years now. It's a right-wing meme.
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Trabisnikof posted:Another reason to attend a mega church. Lots of people to guilt trip into paying into your gofundme not to die. We'd like to spend some of the tithes towards preventing your excruciatingly slow and painful death, but the Java 3:16 stand in the food court won't renovate itself!
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DreamShipWrecked posted:They already have that, it's call "evangelism"  but I'm bad at those
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One day you pay for someone's chemo with tithe, next day you are turning people away from joining the church due to preexisting conditions.
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I think a lot of the neoliberal vs left stuff is overthinking, honestly. One of the consistent findings of political science is that voters are incredibly ignorant. Your dumbshit cousin who spams Trump memes is probably more well-informed than 90% of the populace because they're at least keeping up on current events through whatever chthonian prism they view the world. Trump barely had policies during the campaign and for the most part he still doesn't, which is why our IR is a mess and domestically he's just gonna sign whatever Congress gives him. His preexisting celebrity and outsider status was enough for incoherent tribal yelling to break a firewall that had been previously impervious to all the Republican PAC money and focus-testing in the world. If there's any commonality to be found between the British and the French elections it's that in both cases they didn't show any hesitation to toss out their leadership in the face of a reactionary wave whose thesis statement was less about any actual plans and more about "these major parties have hosed you over!" Corbyn was a career backbencher, Macron had a two-year stint in the cabinet. Neither of them really had the stink of the establishment on them as far as the general electorate was concerned. Sure, Le Pen could rationally argue that Macron's actual policies were but it's not the actual policies that are driving the bus, it's this general hunger for change, for something that feels different. And if you are one of the thinking elite who both understands right-wing policies and wants to oppose them, the counter-intuitive conclusion is that you should care a lot less about the particular people at the top of the ticket. This is why I'm a neoliberal / charmin-soft-libertarian but find myself mostly in sympathy with the criticisms of the far left (or what passes for it in America) vis-a-vis the ossified leadership of the Democrats. They want to change something, and regardless of my disquiet with the direction of that change, that's at least the correct political survival instinct rather than accusing everyone who suggests such a thing of being a Jill Stein dead-ender. In conclusion, this but unironically: https://twitter.com/ConnorSouthard/status/873191084830183426 Elotana fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Mega Churches basically exist as a giant scam.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If they can enact incremental positive change, i'm all for it. I am not for it when they spend more time tearing down fellow democrats than advocating for their supposed causes. Ah yes enacting important issues like removing fluoride from the local water supply or making sure the wifi/cell towers have organic noncancer causing waves.
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sean10mm posted:We'd like to spend some of the tithes towards preventing your excruciatingly slow and painful death, but the Java 3:16 stand in the food court won't renovate itself! Oh yeah it's not about getting tithes, it is all about showing up the rest of the congregation that I am the most blessed because I can drop $2000 on Mrs. Jones's chemo. So long as you've got your tiers set up right so I can flaunt that is.
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i grew up going to a mega church. they are a scam designed to keep a community desperate and satisfied with that desperation. please tithe (gross not net).
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PhazonLink posted:Ah yes enacting important issues like removing fluoride from the local water supply or making sure the wifi/cell towers have organic noncancer causing waves. I have a special box that can do the latter, only 200 bucks per emitter. Guaranteed not to cause cancer.
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Trabisnikof posted:Oh yeah it's not about getting tithes, it is all about showing up the rest of the congregation that I am the most blessed because I can drop $2000 on Mrs. Jones's chemo. So long as you've got your tiers set up right so I can flaunt that is. Appealing to vanity is good in principle, but on the other hand: "But I already paid my tithe, therefore I owe nobody else in the world anything, ever!" - What 99% of them actually think. "I helped one other extra person, therefore I'm done for the month/year/rest of my life" - The other 1% of them.
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Trabisnikof posted:Another reason to attend a mega church. Lots of people to guilt trip into paying into your gofundme not to die. You forgot the Pastor's 99% admin fee/private jet fund.
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Hollismason posted:Mega Churches basically exist as a giant scam. I wish I didn't have a conscience. You could make a fortune off of those rubes if you were just moderately intelligent and had no soul.
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:i grew up going to a mega church. they are a scam designed to keep a community desperate and satisfied with that desperation. please tithe (gross not net). Literal thing I've heard. "Some people ask me if they should tithe before or after taxes. Well, let me ask you this: do you want God's blessing before or after taxes?" 
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Has Heller specified what exactly he doesn't like about the current bill or will a token amendment of some throwaway money toward the opioid crisis change his mind?
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So that's 5 no's as of right now, correct? 1 moderate and 4 conservative
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HappyHippo posted:Heller won't support the bill in its current form Heller's more likely to be a harder "no" than loons like Cruz/Lee/Johnson because he's extremely vulnerable.
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Javes posted:Has Heller specified what exactly he doesn't like about the current bill or will a token amendment of some throwaway money toward the opioid crisis change his mind? Twitter talk suggests he won't be won over easily, the emphasis of the presser was Medicaid, but who knows.
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He doesn't like the Medicaid cuts, which are kind of the only reason the Senate bill's math works (since they took out a lot of the other House stuff but still need to meet reconciliation)
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Heller is one of like 2 GOP Senate seats at serious risk in 2018. He has a lot of reason to vote No.
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Elotana posted:Your dumbshit cousin who spams Trump memes is probably more well-informed than 90% of the populace because they're at least keeping up on current events through whatever chthonian prism they view the world. The cousin is likely less informed than someone who doesn't consume news. https://www.scribd.com/document/73377350/Fairleigh-Dickinson-University-Public-Mind-Poll
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BootStrap posted:I wish I didn't have a conscience. You could make a fortune off of those rubes if you were just moderately intelligent and had no soul. Yeah this is why the GOP leadership is dead set on causing as much suffering as possible in order to drive up their own wealth (either directly or from their benefactors) The average Republican voter is just a authoritarian thinking, frightened, ignorant rube. Republican politicians are literal loving sociopaths who are willing to say and do what ever they need to in order to guide them around by their noses.
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Blitz7x posted:People are big dumb idiots and whenever I see that Stat about what % of Americans would be SOL with an unexpected expense of a thousand dollars I wonder how much of it is legit economic hardship and how much is terrible planning for the future
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Say Heller and Paul are hard Nos. If it comes down to Cruz would he have the nerve to take a giant poo poo on the GOP establishment and tank the entire thing? Because based on his reputation I'm pretty sure he might.
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"it's going to be very difficult to get me to a yes"
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Chard posted:I wonder what the time to acceptance is in one of those. Maybe I can make a career out of grifting my fellow Americans through the power of the lord. You have to be born to it or have an amazing conversion story. Make it as titillating as possible, your marks lap that poo poo up. You can't break character though, that's what brings down most of them.
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HappyHippo posted:"it's going to be very difficult to get me to a yes" Who's that? Heller or Cruz?
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