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happyhippy posted:Albuterol, one of the oldest asthma medicines, typically costs $50 to $100 per inhaler in the United States Hey we have the right to pursue happiness, not to actually be happy 
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happyhippy posted:Albuterol, one of the oldest asthma medicines, typically costs $50 to $100 per inhaler in the United States I have in-laws that maintain their Canadian citizenship just so they can go to the doctor over there, since recurring green card fees is far less than medical fees. If only we had some kind of nationalized system that would put the burden of the costs on the gov and force them to impose limits on costs. But nay, it is but a dream.
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Subvisual Haze posted:There's finally a generic EpiPen out now (made by the same loving company) for slightly less! Insulin can't have generics, either! Hurray stupid rules!
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Jun 23, 2017 20:49
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Bhaal posted:I did it. I found what might be the most depressing video on the internet https://www.facebook.com/guyhumorofficial/videos/300325783745839/ GUY HUMOR IS THE ONLY FACEBOOK PAGE I VISIT BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS HAVE DIED FROM INHALING METALLIC DUST AND I CAN'T TYPE A IN NEW URL BECAUSE ALL MY FINGERS WERE BLOWN OFF WHEN A FAULTY PNEUMATIC PISTON EXPLODED IN MY FACE. (Sound of Tim Allen grunting which slowly turns to sobs)
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Mustached Demon posted:Eh lets just have debtors prisons for those who get better and can't afford their medical bills. This is actually quite ingenious, if you went full evil. Bring debtors prisons back, and have them run by private prison corporations. In a few short years, you could have a sizable percentage of the US population under what is essentially modern day corporate feudalism.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:50
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Saint Celestine posted:This is actually quite ingenious, if you went full evil. Bring debtors prisons back, and have them run by private prison corporations. Have to make sure its a felony to remove their voting rights. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/878339213308985344 Heller gets a You're-trapped-in-here-with-me award.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:53
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Bhaal posted:I did it. I found what might be the most depressing video on the internet https://www.facebook.com/guyhumorofficial/videos/300325783745839/ Oil rig workers also make a lot more than $15 an hour so this video is just all around silly.
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Saint Celestine posted:This is actually quite ingenious, if you went full evil. Bring debtors prisons back, and have them run by private prison corporations. Could even sell their contracts to individual householders/business owners.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:53
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Huzanko posted:Gotta get this economy moving again!!1!  I would guess it's an expression of frustration about stagnant wage growth. Productivity is up, the economy is producing well, but workers aren't feeling that in their wallets. (Wage growth numbers have been unimpressive for the past several BLS reports, despite unemployment continuing to trend downward. Since 2007, the vast majority of pay gains have not gone to the working class; conservatives and democrats alike are feeling that, but conservative media redirects that ire towards 'job-killing regulations' (aka the thing preventing corporations from raking in even more profits that they won't share with their workers). Also, this was too good )read: frustrating) to pass up. A comment from the video linked above: quote:Whether this guy makes 15 bucks an hour or not, nobody working a fry machine is worth 15 bucks an hour. If there was gonna ever be a fast food employee that was worth 15 bucks an hour though it would be Chick-fil-A as they have NEVER screwed up my order ever, and they are polite to boot. I think McDonalds employees should be paid less then minimum wage until they can fill an order correctly. For those that are screaming livable wage.....fast food isn't meant to be a career unless you are going into management! Nobody retires from the fry machine after 40 years! Can American get real please? I'm sick and tired of this mammy pammby generation that thinks everything should come fast and or easy. You know why your parents have it better then you kids? Because they spent their whole lives working for it! You are meant to be poor to start life! If you are 45 and running the fry machine....well looks like you got started later in life probably because of poor choices earlier....no shortcuts.
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Saint Celestine posted:This is actually quite ingenious, if you went full evil. Bring debtors prisons back, and have them run by private prison corporations. New Syndicate game looking good
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farraday posted:Have to make sure its a felony to remove their voting rights. Just make it so you can't vote if you have a lot of debt.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:57
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Subvisual Haze posted:There's finally a generic EpiPen out now (made by the same loving company) for slightly less! There's apparently another generic coming on the market that will undercut even the cheaper Epipen. The thing that never seemed to get much attention is that most people who needed Epipens don't pay those huge markups. But local governments were paying a premium since by law every school is now required to keep 2 in stock. And of course they need to be replaced as they expire. That's a huge income stream that isn't price sensitive that no one seemed to talk about.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:59
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Well I guess Heller never got a hall pass
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Jun 23, 2017 21:01
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Cameras were banned from the press briefing so... https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/878331802078687233 CNN sent Bill Hennessy, the network's regular Supreme Court sketch artist, to the White House briefing today. I'm putting how I feel about this up to vote.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:01
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I wish Bill Hennessy was a bird in a box with a pen and said "Eh, it's a living"
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Jun 23, 2017 21:02
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Why not just turn the cameras on? Whats the worst they can do? The WH has already essentially blacklisted CNN anyway.
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Saint Celestine posted:This is actually quite ingenious, if you went full evil. Bring debtors prisons back, and have them run by private prison corporations. Covoking at 100% in the thread today.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:02
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So are we done jerking off with our endless dystopian fantasies yet?
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Jun 23, 2017 21:03
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So are we done jerking off with our endless dystopian fantasies yet? Eh I'm almost there shimi. Only land owners can vote and you lose your land ownership rights if you have any 90d+ late accounts.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:05
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So the GOP is planning on a 7 figure ad buy attacking one of it's most vulnerable senators in 2018...
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So are we done jerking off with our endless dystopian fantasies yet? What you call "fantasy" is about to become reality once AHCA passes. But yeah, if you are wealthy enough to not be personally affected then I guess you can continue clinging to naive, pathetic optimism and mock everyone else for "covoking" or whatever.
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Javes posted:Why not just turn the cameras on? Whats the worst they can do? The WH has already essentially blacklisted CNN anyway. We all know how it goes anyways. Spicer says the official line, left asks him obvious pertinent question and he degrades them, right asks softballs and licks his boots while he cracks jokes, eventually everyone stops getting called on and he leaves. Unless he suddenly loses his flesh-mask and shows that he is a lizard person this isn't going to be a surprise, so why the ban VVVV I appreciate the optimism of the idea that the space program will have any funding in three years
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One more dystopia-becomes-utopia True socialism will be born out of space colonization. A martian colonist's needs must all be met for the colony to survive. These founding principles will be locked into the culture just as our institutional racism and marriage to market capitalism were for us. As earth slowly rots in a slow simmer, so with it will die capitalism. Martians will offer aid to the limping earth in exchange for a restructuring of its economy. Finally, after several caretaker generations, equality in America will be achieved.
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So what would it cost for a US citizen to go to a Canadian doctor and pick up some meds? At what point is that a reasonable course of action?
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I've always assumed that the fight against single payer and covering preexisting conditions was (in addition to the obvious profitability) an intentional design to keep the working class in line. When the only reasonable way to get healthcare for yourself and your family is to take a lovely job that provides it, you'll take the lovely job. Once you have coverage through that job, anything you go to the doctor for essentially becomes blackmail material, because pretty much any of it constitutes a pre-existing condition now. If you lose that job, that's it. Not only is your healthcare gone (unless you can pay it entirely out of pocket) but now you may never be able to get it back, from any provider. Even if you get a new job immediately, they tend not to begin offering coverage until 90 days after hiring, which means you weren't covered for a while and your preexisting conditions now count against you. That's a deviously effective way to keep workers scared and compliant. It means any plan other than taking AND KEEPING a job forever with an employer that provides coverage is wildly irresponsible... Even worse if you have a family to care for. Want to quit and find a higher paying job? Go for it, but that medication you need won't be covered anymore. Can you afford that? Want to quit and start your own business? Go of for it... Gee, I hope your kid's minor health issue never gets any worse. Is your boss abusing you, harassing, or doing shady poo poo? You could fight back, but if things don't go your way, say goodbye to that insulin you need. Hey, they just cut your pay at work again to pay for the boss' new yacht. You could complain, maybe try to unionize... but that would likely just lead to them replacing you. Congrats, your Wife's cancer treatments just came to a sudden end, and you've effectively killed her. Welp, you know the saying, "The squeaky wheel gets to raise uninsured motherless kids alone."
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Torpor posted:So what would it cost for a US citizen to go to a Canadian doctor and pick up some meds? At what point is that a reasonable course of action? Living in the Detroit area near the border, it happens all the time around here. Has for years. Same with various types of surgery.
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Torpor posted:So what would it cost for a US citizen to go to a Canadian doctor and pick up some meds? At what point is that a reasonable course of action? We already pick up poo poo up there that is just over the counter and cheaper. Like people on the border go up for insulin and testing strips evidently because it's cheaper than the poo poo they can get here.
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enraged_camel posted:What you call "fantasy" is about to become reality once AHCA passes. I wasn't aware there was a mandatory debtors prison stipulation inserted into the AHCA because this thread was already making the leap to literal feudalism just a page ago. God forbid we don't automatically assume that literally everything that occurs after the AHCA will be the worst thing possible. There's a few steps between the disaster of the AHCA and the dystopian future of feudalism and things can be done in between to change things.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I wasn't aware there was a mandatory debtors prison stipulation inserted into the AHCA because this thread was already making the leap to literal feudalism just a page ago. I was speaking more generally.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:Living in the Detroit area near the border, it happens all the time around here. That being said I think you have to do it on the DL, iirc the border cracked down on people bringing medicine back across unless you were a Canadian citizen. Then again after the Flint attack ain't no one crossing the border for anything...
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I know we get a lot of international folks in here, so maybe one of y'all know enough about this. So, I think I might qualify for German citizenship under the restoration laws. The long and short of it is that if you used to be German, and then it was the Nazis who made it so you weren't anymore, you get to be German again any time you want it. And, this also applies to descendants. My grandfather was a holocaust survivor born in Germany, and based on the documents I've seen so far it looks like I qualify, although I haven't got everything yet. So, assuming I do qualify, is there any way to buy into the German healthcare system while living abroad? It'd be nice to have an emergency thing just in case of like, cancer or something insanely serious. For routine care I guess I'll be on my own but I'm basically healthy right now.
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Mustached Demon posted:Eh I'm almost there shimi. Do suburban homes count as land ownership for voting rights purposes? Or are we just talking farms here?
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For a good couple days after the Georgia special election, just about every media outlet was screaming TRUMP HAS WON FOREVER. DEMOCRATS ARE DEFEATED. The NYTimes gave it more frontpage coverage than the congressional shooting. Now I'm checking the approval ratings and Trump is skyrocketing upwards. Ya'll think they're related?
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:One more dystopia-becomes-utopia Its ok, they got that covered with the whole 'lets privatize space research' angle. Martian colonies will be provided for by spACE Technologies and a bubble of safety nets will be created to prevent the mineral miners from killing themselves after their daily meal of Vita-Paste is consumed.
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please god let whatever this is be in the next two hours, I'm out of weed and I need to feel good the black husserl posted:For a good couple days after the Georgia special election, just about every media outlet was screaming TRUMP HAS WON FOREVER. DEMOCRATS ARE DEFEATED. The NYTimes gave it more frontpage coverage than the congressional shooting. Of course they are, donnie even claimed victory for himself without even mentioning handel by name. I assume the coming bombshell will erase all of it shortly though.
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the black husserl posted:For a good couple days after the Georgia special election, just about every media outlet was screaming TRUMP HAS WON FOREVER. DEMOCRATS ARE DEFEATED. The NYTimes gave it more frontpage coverage than the congressional shooting. I think people are just happy that Trump's healthcare bill will kill them and their children. That, and he hasn't said much for about a week.
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Xae posted:Guess what Rand Paul's pet bill he keeps trying to get passed does. Me: "Gee, I wonder if Rand Paul is doctor, as they would surely benefit from that." Me, two seconds later: "  "
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farraday posted:Cameras were banned from the press briefing so...
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the black husserl posted:For a good couple days after the Georgia special election, just about every media outlet was screaming TRUMP HAS WON FOREVER. DEMOCRATS ARE DEFEATED. The NYTimes gave it more frontpage coverage than the congressional shooting. Moving up one point on the 538 aggregate is hardly skyrocketing. And I'd say it owes more to Trump just being out of the spotlight for the last couple week.
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Now we know what will happen. Heller switches parties, Left Democrats attempt to primary him, are unsuccessful due to the Democratic party backing Heller as reward for him switching, he loses to the Republican.
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