nigga crab pollock posted:

i got this for trolling the gbs trump hysteria thread about pizzagate dude lmao

Viva Miriya posted:

wait you actually like trump?

lmao please join Dalael in the pwn zone bitch

Jazzzzz posted:

I can't imagine anyone getting excited over having to do logistics convoys to highsec again. Would making it impossible for JFs to jump out of highsec make you feel any better?

Increase LP payouts including incursions?

I've been trolled

Dalael posted:

Wait are you under the impression that I like Trump? because lmao

Dalael posted:

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

he's saying ncp is in the retard zone with you, he didn't say you liked trump

orange juche posted:

No just that you're in the pwn zone because you suck at posting and are weird

orange juche posted:

No just that you're in the pwn zone because you suck at posting and are weird

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

globby wants to gank things dude

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

or kiss my sweet beautiful gf all day over and over again

Viva Miriya posted:

wait you actually like trump?

lmao please join Dalael in the pwn zone bitch

nigga crab pollock posted:

no I like trolling

gwrtheyrn posted:

Let's make space worth less while making it a bigger pain in the dick to hold more space.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

yeah, wouldn't happen

here's how that'd work in reality: we denude a single region, then move to the next

no one wants the region we left behind because it's barren, thus, it doesn't get conquered

by the time it's ready to exploit again, we're already moved back

all this does is make the vast majority of nullsec unusable except if you happen to be in a group strong enough to hold a minimum number of total regions necessary to keep fresh farmland

Reverand maynard posted:

Trying to create conflict by making ratting/mining more tedium is dumb. I get what you're trying to accomplish (drive conflict) but we're not going to just invade TEST because we mined up all our ore. There are already enough non nullsec ways to make money that trying to make nullsec even dumber would just result in people easily gaming the system or people quitting after the third time their alliance moved in as many months.

lucifirius posted:

Basically this. Conflict needs to be over a reason to live in one spot and stay there, not move around nomadically.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

orange juche posted:

Dude you have a hideous couch.

Ynglaur posted:

This. Scarcity of resources won't drive conflict, but disparity of resources will. Imagine if Mexallon was only found in 5 regions. Or some low end planetary material. Or whatever. Having disparate resource allocation creates an economic terrain that may be worth fighting for.

I like the suggestions on structures, too. The final thing I would do would be to create a dominion style sov driven by structures over planets rather than POS over moons.

lucifirius posted:

I think CCP has a problem thinking of how to create conflict while giving a reason to stay in one area.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Klyith posted:

Scarcity alone won't make conflict forever. It makes conflict while the scarce resources are fought over by too many people, until the losers sift out and the winners sit on the resource. Then you have to ratchet up the scarcity again to restart the cycle.

If you want scarcity to make permanent conflict, you have to add a reason for the losers to keep coming back. Not just the hope that maybe you can take those resources, a reasonable belief that they can win. But if they have that, you don't even need scarce resources to fight over.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

we already have some regional resource disparity -- R8 and R32 moongoos are regional, and the R32s in particular make it so it is impossible to do T2 production without at least one person in the production chain importing stuff

but the way it ends up working is that everyone exports plenty of the regional-specific stuff to jita, negating the premise in the first place

hell, it took remedial education to retards in PL and NCdot before even OTEC could work, they had to be specifically taught not to just dump technetium to the first buy order they saw

Ynglaur posted:

Good point. Still, people actually fought over "rich" regions from time to time. Remember when PL owned half the moon in the north but no sov? At least it ended up driving some conflict.

Klyith posted:

Scarcity alone won't make conflict forever. It makes conflict while the scarce resources are fought over by too many people, until the losers sift out and the winners sit on the resource. Then you have to ratchet up the scarcity again to restart the cycle.

If you want scarcity to make permanent conflict, you have to add a reason for the losers to keep coming back. Not just the hope that maybe you can take those resources, a reasonable belief that they can win. But if they have that, you don't even need scarce resources to fight over.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

that conflict wasn't about resources, it was about defeating the old northern coalition

in fact, no war in eve has ever been about resources, with the potential exception being kicking test out of fountain, but even that smacks of being sold that way for different motives

(i don't know for sure as i was mega unsubbed and disconnected at the time)

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

that conflict wasn't about resources, it was about defeating the old northern coalition

in fact, no war in eve has ever been about resources, with the potential exception being kicking test out of fountain, but even that smacks of being sold that way for different motives

(i don't know for sure as i was mega unsubbed and disconnected at the time)

Viva Miriya posted:

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

that conflict wasn't about resources, it was about defeating the old northern coalition

in fact, no war in eve has ever been about resources, with the potential exception being kicking test out of fountain, but even that smacks of being sold that way for different motives

(i don't know for sure as i was mega unsubbed and disconnected at the time)

Reverand maynard posted:

the fountain war was about states rights

Catberry posted:

Increase moongoo value by 5000% and then randomly shuffle the moon types every month.

Also make it so you need sov to mine the moon and the structure only starts mining after being online for a week.

This would only apply to a few moongoo materials obviously. A handful of moons and their location would be publicly available from some NPC.

Dalael posted:

More timers is what EVE needs, obviously.


Any idea of randomly changing the resources if doomed to fail in its infancy. Sov warfare is a messy business which takes a lot of time and energy and I doubt anyone wants to conquer a region, set up everything and just to have to conquer a different region the next month because the resource changed. Maaaaaybe if they changed it once or twice a year but even then, i'm not sure.

Most good wars in EVE were fought over something else then resource. Whether it was personal hatred or simply having to remove a perceived thread. Ultimately the conflicts are created through human condition and not any virtual items or resource.