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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:If Trump was unaware of Russian involvement, there was no collusion I don't think Trump conspired with the Russians but yeah according to a WaPo article that came out today the President was receiving eyes-only briefings wrt Russia interfering with the US election as early as August 2016, but it took a long time for anyone other than the CIA to agree on it and by the time they figured out we were getting hosed it was too late to do anything. This is why our elections shouldn't be two loving years long btw
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VikingSkull posted:the hilarious thing is Comey once again couldn't keep his dumb mouth shut and now we have another investigation because of it Lordy I hope there's tapes
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Heaven Spacey posted:I don't think Trump conspired with the Russians but yeah according to a WaPo article that came out today the President was receiving eyes-only briefings wrt Russia interfering with the US election as early as August 2016, but it took a long time for anyone other than the CIA to agree on it and by the time they figured out we were getting hosed it was too late to do anything. But now we ask ourselves, what did Russia actually do, if they did interfere Release propaganda against Hillary? so what
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Obstruction of justice requires no commission of the original crime your under investigation for. Ended in a preposition for u retards. Bill or tricky dick didn't get impeached for their "crime" but the cover up? If triumph didn't have anything to hide, why would he tamper with people under investigation? Witness tampering is the act of attempting to alter or prevent the testimony of witnesses within criminal or civil proceedings. Laws regarding witness tampering also apply to proceedings before the U.S. Congress, executive departments, and administrative agencies.
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VikingSkull posted:the hilarious thing is Comey once again couldn't keep his dumb mouth shut and now we have another investigation because of it Trump?
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Burt Sexual posted:Obstruction of justice requires no commission of the original crime your under investigation for. Ended in a preposition for u retards. Said witness generates testimony of said tampering only when beneficial to themselves at the time Said witness was a high ranking legal entity who handled the situation in the dumbest way possible and in a totally unprofessional manner Said witness / tampering is now highly dubious
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:But now we ask ourselves, what did Russia actually do, if they did interfere It is bad for one country to directly meddle in the elections of another. For all the allegations that Clinton's foundation was taking Saudi money and tying that to foreign agents attempting to directly influence our government and how that's bad (it's bad), it would be equally bad for another country to just release a slew of propaganda to influence voters. Like, there's a reason a lot of our politicians basically gave cop-out answers like "hm well when it comes to Brexit, I've got little to say except I hope we're all friends after." It's because it would be really drat bad if President Obama or Paul Ryan or someone openly said, "The British people should vote to stay/leave and here's a list of smears against the other side" in an attempt to influence the vote.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:But now we ask ourselves, what did Russia actually do, if they did interfere "They made people hate Hillary" I'm always confused by this. Vast swathes of the country view her as out of touch, a liar, etc, . Her reputation has not changed since the 90's. Norm McDonald had bites on her back then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw8JRpXdAc
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Burt Sexual posted:Obstruction of justice requires no commission of the original crime your under investigation for. Ended in a preposition for u retards. trump is never going to be impeached, it's a lunatic pipe dream and for your health i urge you stop with the madness
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Skypie posted:Like, there's a reason a lot of our politicians basically gave cop-out answers like "hm well when it comes to Brexit, I've got little to say except I hope we're all friends after." It's because it would be really drat bad if President Obama or Paul Ryan or someone openly said, "The British people should vote to stay/leave and here's a list of smears against the other side" in an attempt to influence the vote. Thank god our God-fearing American politicians never meddle in foreign elections *lists 41 coups and puppet dictators*
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:But now we ask ourselves, what did Russia actually do, if they did interfere Yeah the wikileaks dump, also tampered with some voter registration tables to drop people off the rolls apparently
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America is totally neutral when it comes to foreign governments No propaganda here! You deserve your Trump avatar rescinded
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Skypie posted:Lordy I hope there's tapes i hope* there's tapes too piss tapes *for a friend
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Thank god our God-fearing American politicians never meddle in foreign elections Yeah, I think I've been pretty open that I feel American foreign policy has been super hosed for a long time. The poo poo we've done in the past, especially during the Cold War, and how we meddled was fuckin awful. I just also don't think that justifies it happening to us. 
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Mnoba posted:trump is never going to be impeached, it's a lunatic pipe dream and for your health i urge you stop with the madness Impeached? Christ he may get re-elected at this point. The dems are plugging their ears and continue to ignore their base.
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Skypie posted:Yeah, I think I've been pretty open that I feel American foreign policy has been super hosed for a long time. The poo poo we've done in the past, especially during the Cold War, and how we meddled was fuckin awful. Lol, what So we destroy Russia in the Cold War, and then after that, rape them with multinational corporate pilfering, and then after that impose sanctions and put troops on their borders... But they're the assholes????
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FuzzySkinner posted:Impeached? Christ he may get re-elected at this point. Why do what constituents want when you can do what your corporate donors want instead 
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They didn't want Hillary because America is loving with them still and choking them out... They have every right to release a meme or two
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Lol, what Russia destroyed themselves in the Cold War more than anything, that much I can say with confidence. As for their collapse into kleptocracy, I'm not sure how much the US is to blame. Most of the sanctions and stuff we put on them is pretty justified for poo poo like what happened to Ukraine though imo.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Lol, what Hm ok well nobody can tell me I didn't try to earnestly engage you on a topic instead of calling you a racist or whatever. Carry on
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so wait, are the normies going back to the russia stuff again lmao for real?!?
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Heaven Spacey posted:Why do what constituents want when you can do what your corporate donors want instead https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/878417673264087040
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Mnoba posted:so wait, are the normies going back to the russia stuff again lmao for real?!? "It'll win us elections. Rubes in the middle of the country HATE the Russians. What?! You mean it's not 1983?!"
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Heaven Spacey posted:Russia destroyed themselves in the Cold War more than anything, that much I can say with confidence. As for their collapse into kleptocracy, I'm not sure how much the US is to blame. Most of the sanctions and stuff we put on them is pretty justified for poo poo like what happened to Ukraine though imo. "The conversion of the world's largest state-controlled economy into a market-oriented economy would have been extraordinarily difficult regardless of the policies chosen. The policies chosen for this difficult transition were (1) liberalization, (2) stabilization, and (3) privatization. These policies were based on the neoliberal "Washington Consensus" of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, and U.S. Treasury Department." I honestly don't know much about it, but that sounds awfully like American meddling
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Skypie posted:It is bad for one country to directly meddle in the elections of another. For all the allegations that Clinton's foundation was taking Saudi money and tying that to foreign agents attempting to directly influence our government and how that's bad (it's bad), it would be equally bad for another country to just release a slew of propaganda to influence voters. This is false, Obama specifically said if the U.K. voted to leave that any trade deals would leave them at the back of the line compared to other countries. In response, trump said if they left he'd negotiate a great deal with them. Basically, lol at America even pretending that it doesn't involve itself in other elections even for allies.
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FisheyStix posted:Could Trump-senpai be... daijobu?! ? I thought this was a thread for discussing Trump. If his possible fetishes are off limit why are their mentions of a pee tape? Like I mean I guess it could be medical but I'm pretty sure that's not what people are hoping for. What'a a medical pee tape? Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Skypie posted:Hm ok well nobody can tell me I didn't try to earnestly engage you on a topic instead of calling you a racist or whatever. Carry on Ok thank you, but Russia barely is even being accused of doing anything underhanded at all. It's not like the assassinated some glorious JFK like figure paving the way to Trump's victory
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"The West should create an elite corps of experts to live in the former Soviet Union and help officials there run government and business." But it was the Clinton administration that turned the missionary impulse into an official crusade—though, it should be emphasized, with enthusiastic bipartisan support in Congress. Almost immediately after President Bill Clinton's inauguration in January 1993, his experts were privately discussing "how best to reform Russia" and formulating a policy of American tutelage. The "whole policy" that emerged, as a State Department official later explained, was "aimed at the domestic transformation of Russia." In effect, the United States was to teach ex-Communist Russia how to become a capitalist and democratic country and oversee the process of conversion known as a "transition." Certainly, Russia was not to be trusted to find its own kinds of change, lest it wander off, as a media enthusiast of the crusade warned, on "a strange, ambivalent path of its own confused devising." Lmao... maybe the Clinton thing was personal.. from Russia with Love http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-crusade.html
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Bholder posted:The gently caress did he even do to fight this "deep state"? Comey was a child loving deep state pizzagate globalist zionist shill, you idiot.
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In that spirit, legions of American political missionaries and evangelists, usually called "advisers," spread across Russia in the early and mid-1990s. Funded by the U.S. government, ideological organizations, foundations, and educational institutions, they encamped wherever the "Russia we want" might be proselytized, from political movements, trade unions, media, and schools to Moscow offices of the Russian government itself. Among other missionary deeds, U.S. citizens gave money to favored Russian politicians, instructed ministers, drafted legislation and presidential decrees, underwrote textbooks, and served at Yeltsin's reelection headquarters in 1996. For the sake of appearances, all of this had to be done, of course, with some diplomacy. Rarely if ever was the Clinton administration as bluntly missionary as the former national security adviser who announced that Russia's "economic and even political destiny ... is now increasingly passing into de facto Western receivership." Or as categorical as the anonymous programmatic letter that circulated in Washington in 1993: "The key to [Russia's] democratic recovery is no longer in its hand. It is in ours."
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I bet just completely ignoring Russia and doing nothing would have worked out better for the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. Also "Americans went there and said" things means American is responsible because if Americans say things other countries are paralyzed into total compliance.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Ok thank you, but Russia barely is even being accused of doing anything underhanded at all. It's not like the assassinated some glorious JFK like figure paving the way to Trump's victory My point is mostly that if Russia somehow did interfere and there was verifiable evidence of it (and I've been clear before as stating that I don't personally believe there was collusion or whatever), it would be something everyone regardless of side should want something done about it. I don't mean removing Trump. I don't like him but the dude won the election. I just mean like shoring up cybersecurity or having back-up plans if voting machines tank or show signs of being tampered with. America's not clean in this. I'll cop that I didn't realize Obama had made a direct quote about trade deals, which is hosed up. I think we should be mad about loving with other elections and I think we should be mad if our elections are ever hosed with. That's all.
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really queer Christmas posted:This is false, Obama specifically said if the U.K. voted to leave that any trade deals would leave them at the back of the line compared to other countries. In response, trump said if they left he'd negotiate a great deal with them. There's a pretty big difference between an elected official (or potential) saying "If other country does x, we will react in this manner" and hacking peoples emails and paying people to spread fake news and shill in news article comment sections. Like, they're not the same thing at all.
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Kiryen posted:I bet just completely ignoring Russia and doing nothing would have worked out better for the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. "Funded by the U.S. government,"
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Lol, what Had they not been the assholes, destroying them in the cold war wouldn't have been necessary, idiot.
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scrubs season six posted:There's a pretty big difference between an elected official (or potential) saying "If other country does x, we will react in this manner" and hacking peoples emails and paying people to spread fake news and shill in news article comment sections. How about buying Hollywood and changing movies for propaganda purposes like the Chinese? What about Israel?
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Kiryen posted:Had they not been the assholes, destroying them in the cold war wouldn't have been necessary, idiot. Oh, we have the moral high ground. I see. You're quite the patriot
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Duck and Cover posted:? I thought this was a thread for discussing Trump. If his possible fetishes are off limit why are their mentions of a pee tape? Like I mean I guess it could be medical but I'm pretty sure that's not what people are hoping for. What'a a medical pee tape? No, I just meant that it doesn't need to be said, Trumpo is very obviously a scalie. Even I have heard of dragons and vore fetishists being a thing, and if it's one thing the man does it's eat people for lunch
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:"Funded by the U.S. government," US government money magically dictates policy in any other country it is spent. I heard it on the internet.
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