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Cool Bear posted:Has anyone else noticed these allegories from the original first opening story: You should stop reading CineD.
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Cool Bear posted:Has anyone else noticed these allegories from the original first opening story: Please post the source
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Jun 24, 2017 03:30
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I think those are a stretch at best. Well, except for the meteor thing. There's an atom bomb stand-in for basically every Final Fantasy, and if we're lucky it's only one.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:33
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I think those are a stretch at best. I am surprised that this isn't obvious. Can we agree that the left side of the "::" allegory is correct? If that left side is the story, then I just don't think it is a stretch at all. I'm surprised that this isn't obvious. I personally have a hard time remembering anything like this, but I have to ask, what is a good example of an American story where you could possibly draw the same allegories? I do not think there are any.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:34
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Defiance Industries posted:Well, except for the meteor thing. There's an atom bomb stand-in for basically every Final Fantasy, and if we're lucky it's only one. not every powerful magic thing is an atomic bomb
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Jun 24, 2017 03:35
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Brother Entropy posted:not every powerful magic thing is an atomic bomb That's right. What drew me to this allegory was at some point during the MSQ, someone said that the Garleans first attacked Eorzea BECAUSE the primals were out of control. Imagine being a Japanese person right now, and you hate the behavior of the people during WW2, and you think to yourself "drat what kind of weird monsters were they" it was primals summoned by the beast people.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:38
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you have three posts itt right now and by my reckoning that's about six too many
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Jun 24, 2017 03:40
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Cool Bear posted:That's right. What drew me to this allegory was at some point during the MSQ, someone said that the Garleans first attacked Eorzea BECAUSE the primals were out of control. are you for real
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Jun 24, 2017 03:41
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Cool Bear posted:That's right. What drew me to this allegory was at some point during the MSQ, someone said that the Garleans first attacked Eorzea BECAUSE the primals were out of control. i'm not opposed to weird readings like this but i'm not really seeing it in this case, i feel like you're grabbing onto a pretty generic fictional expansionist empire that are a blend of a lot of different historical touchstones and trying to force a ww2 narrative onto it just because it's being written by japanese people
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Jun 24, 2017 03:43
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Cool Bear posted:That's right. What drew me to this allegory was at some point during the MSQ, someone said that the Garleans first attacked Eorzea BECAUSE the primals were out of control. You've got your timeline mixed up. Primals were sealed until after they invaded.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:44
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cheetah7071 posted:I believe the calamity salvager is tied to achievements so it should work with any gear that comes from a quest that grants an achievement. It's tied to both quest completion and achievements. Anything that's unique and rewarded from a quest can be bought at the calamity salvager. Remember that belt you got from like a level 20 sylph quest? Probably not, but you can buy it from the calamity salvager!
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Jun 24, 2017 03:44
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Yeah I'm for real and just shaking my head that this is impossible to understand for some. Is there a story written by Americans that can fit the same allegory that I describe? Of being attacked by an outside force for this specific kind of reason? Why do enemies attack America in American made video games? Warcraft Fel Demons want power? Terrorists want to implement Sharia law? The Borg finds nonviolent assimilation to be inefficient? This Japanese game has a different origin.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:45
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when are you going to start asking about ffxiv porn
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Jun 24, 2017 03:47
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Argas posted:You've got your timeline mixed up. Primals were sealed until after they invaded. I seem to remember that someone said the first meteor attack was from a Garlean force which invaded Eorzea because the Garleans were worried about too many primal summonings. If I remember that wrong, then my understanding is all wrong. It is just this detail that made me think of the historical parallel.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:49
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Cool Bear posted:Yeah I'm for real and just shaking my head that this is impossible to understand for some. You're not actually making an good arguments, just drawing the thinnest possible parallels and expecting everyone to agree with you based off a surface reading. It's not actually a good analysis and that is why everyone is mocking you.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:50
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Cool Bear posted:I seem to remember that someone said the first meteor attack was from a Garlean force which invaded Eorzea because the Garleans were worried about too many primal summonings. That still came after their invasion of Eorzea. First they took Ala Mhigo, waited five years, then flew an airship fleet into the center of the region and ended up igniting a battle with dragons that they lost that unsealed the primals. Only after they were fed up with fighting primals summoned by beastman fearing for their lives because of the Garlean invasion (and increased friction with their neighbors due to the whole situation) did they try calling down a meteor.
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Jun 24, 2017 03:51
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Hm well this is embarassing. I do read the quest text, I'm not sure how this happened.... somehow I thought the first movie with the meteor was the first war that started with their invasion.... edit: im glad that everyone cares a lot about this great game!
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Jun 24, 2017 03:54
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The Garleans invaded 25 years before ARR began, right after they conquered Ala Mhigo and Doma. The reason they invaded is that they're an evil empire that liked to conquer things. They were stopped by Midgarsormr, and the battle caused the leylines under Silvertear Falls to explode, bathing Eorzea in aether and making the summoning of primals possible. (in bill wurtz voice) you could make a religion out of that
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Jun 24, 2017 03:54
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please stop seriousposting at the insanely obvious troll
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Jun 24, 2017 03:59
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Fister Roboto posted:It's tied to both quest completion and achievements. Anything that's unique and rewarded from a quest can be bought at the calamity salvager. Remember that belt you got from like a level 20 sylph quest? Probably not, but you can buy it from the calamity salvager! I had completed the astrologian quest prior to the gear set being added and I have the achievement, butthere's nothing at the calamity salvager unfortunately.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:00
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Blockhouse posted:please stop seriousposting at the insanely obvious troll If the meteor was an atomic bomb, then the current version of Eorzea must analogous to post-warJapan. The limited player housing is intended to make players recall Tokyo real estate prices in the 1980s, and the flashy mounts they started adding in 2.0 are the Eorzean version of the Japanese auto industry.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:04
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Soothing Vapors posted:I had completed the astrologian quest prior to the gear set being added and I have the achievement, butthere's nothing at the calamity salvager unfortunately. Do you mean the level 50 quest? The level 50 astrologian quest doesn't reward any gear at all, because none of the HW classes have AF1 gear.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:04
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:If the meteor was an atomic bomb, then the current version of Eorzea must analogous to post-warJapan. The limited player housing is intended to make players recall Tokyo real estate prices in the 1980s, and the flashy mounts they started adding in 2.0 are the Eorzean version of the Japanese auto industry. now we're talkin
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Jun 24, 2017 04:05
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Fister Roboto posted:Do you mean the level 50 quest? The level 50 astrologian quest doesn't reward any gear at all, because none of the HW classes have AF1 gear. But there is AF2 gear! If you didn't know! They sell it in the Forgotten Knight in Big Heavensward London! It takes Centurio seals though, so have fun with that!
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Look. FFXIV is obviously an allegory for how mankind is tainted by both religion and patriotic zeal. It is a game where the central theme is that gods are worthless and while country is important it is more important to bond with other nations than to put yourself above the others. Of course the central theme is that religion is evil and must be destroyed in all its forms, even seemingly benevolent ones.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:09
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It's not a troll!!! I thought that and I still do!!!
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Jun 24, 2017 04:15
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Only man has the wisdom and the clarity to embrace cyber for its own sake
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Jun 24, 2017 04:16
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FuSoYa cast the first Meteo. Everyone knows that.
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Cool Bear posted:It's not a troll!!! I thought that and I still do!!! I'm glad that you shared your thoughts, even though they are very wrong.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:20
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ImpAtom posted:Look. i mean you're not wrong about the smash all religions thing
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Jun 24, 2017 04:22
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Wow and I thought the guy yesterday who thought Tales of Zesteria was all about Jewish people was off the mark.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:29
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the summoner book from castrum abania has a butterfly.  http://i.imgur.com/BlfQANZ.mp4
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Jun 24, 2017 04:30
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ImpAtom posted:Look. all religions are bad except for the correct one (worshipping the twelve)
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Jun 24, 2017 04:31
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And, really, only in moderation.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:34
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Flavahbeast posted:all religions are bad except for the correct one (worshipping the twelve) no that one's pretty poo poo too. see: ishgard
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Jun 24, 2017 04:34
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Think I am done with MCN. I picked the job to be a patient marksman, not flip around and fire lasers and do exploding dabs like some millennial
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Midnightghoul posted:Think I am done with MCN. I picked the job to be a patient marksman, not flip around and fire lasers and do exploding dabs like some millennial 
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Midnightghoul posted:Think I am done with MCN. I picked the job to be a patient marksman, not flip around and fire lasers and do exploding dabs like some millennial if you don't have the patience and dedication to defy the laws of gravity and do sick stunts then you'll never make it as an ishgardian scout sniper
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Truga posted:no that one's pretty poo poo too. see: ishgard tbf that has less to do with worshipping Halone and a lot more to do with murdering dragons
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