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Crazycryodude posted:It's possible to do two things at once, especially when the assets for one thing would be useless for the other But our marines can't take S-T without either horrible losses or orbital support we can't spare right now even if we didn't care about the resulting civilian casualties. If the marine ships have the range to raid IC convoys without a forward base then great, but the impression I get is they don't.
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Pharnakes posted:But our marines can't take S-T without either horrible losses or orbital support we can't spare right now even if we didn't care about the resulting civilian casualties. If the marine ships have the range to raid IC convoys without a forward base then great, but the impression I get is they don't. It's worth noting that a good proportion of the convoys/ships will be civilian tankers moving fuel so you could likely top off anything captured and you have two FSV that are excellent as tankers.
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Jun 24, 2017 00:55
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I don't really know enough about the game to make judgements here so Saros, how plausible is it to take just some troops and lighter ship elements that won't be any help defending Triton and capture S-T?
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Jun 24, 2017 01:19
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I think people are still confused about what the plan to retake S-T is. "The Marines" here refer to the Marine corvettes, not the dudes in power armor with guns on the assault carrier. Yes, those guys on the carrier would have a lot of trouble taking S-T. They're not who we're expecting to. The Marine corvettes that will die like flies in a major engagement will escort a brigade or two of the assault infantry currently on Triton. They'll outnumber the IC forces there by at least ~5:1. It'll be a total walkover, using forces that would be useless in the defense of Triton anyways. After we liberate S-T, the corvettes can commerce raid out of there surviving on pirated fuel (which, as Saros says, is everywhere) The actual Marines (as in dudes with guns) can stay at Triton to board poo poo, they'd be almost useless at S-T anyways. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 02:25
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Maybe refer to ship boarding parties as marines, and landing troops as I don;t know, troops?
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Jun 24, 2017 07:14
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Crazycryodude posted:I think people are still confused about what the plan to retake S-T is. Dude. We actually need to stop the IC from taking and holding Triton base.
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Jun 24, 2017 09:21
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Affi posted:Dude. We actually need to stop the IC from taking and holding Triton base. If they achieve orbital superiority above the base to land troops then any ground based assets are just going to be nuked from orbit.
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Jun 24, 2017 09:23
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Z the IVth posted:If they achieve orbital superiority above the base to land troops then any ground based assets are just going to be nuked from orbit. If they want Triton base intact then they won't use orbital strikes.
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Jun 24, 2017 09:27
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Affi posted:If they want Triton base intact then they won't use orbital strikes. Furthermore given distances involved if they get on with a ground assault I doubt our Mobile Infantry are going to be able to hold them off long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Also consider, if we did hold them off long enough for the cavalry to be spotted (3 weeks out), they could well just slag the base from orbit at that point to deny it to us.
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Jun 24, 2017 12:22
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Do we know if there are even transports with this corporate fleet heading towards Neptune? They could just want to slag something, rather than capture something. If that's the case we may as well pull troops away from there.
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Jun 24, 2017 12:29
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So crazycryodude's plan basically involves committing fully to defending Triton in space because it will fold to any invasion. Honestly, I think that's a fair gamble. If they wipe out the defense fleet, then any base defense at that point is a speedbump.
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Jun 24, 2017 12:44
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Affi posted:Dude. We actually need to stop the IC from taking and holding Triton base. There are two brigades of mixed mobile/assault infantry at Triton plus a pair of Garrison batallions. Both have an attached transport similar to the IC's iron lady class which can transport the whole brigade (command unit + 4 combat batallions). GunnerJ posted:I don't really know enough about the game to make judgements here so Saros, how plausible is it to take just some troops and lighter ship elements that won't be any help defending Triton and capture S-T? Totally doable and this seems to be cryos plan at this point. Affi posted:If they want Triton base intact then they won't use orbital strikes. There's also a population of ~15 million on the moon. Nobody seems to quite have got to the stage of dropping nukes all over civilian populations yet. Saros fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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My thinking is that if the IC are landing troops on Triton, then they've already achieved space superiority - which means our entire fleet and the Triton PDC's are dead. At that point, they can loving have the base, we've failed miserably and are pulling out of the theater no matter what. If they don't just slag it from orbit. Also, yes Saros, that's exactly my plan. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 13:01
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What are the odds that the infantry ships get spotted moving from Triton to S-T, and the incoming force goes after them instead? They're slow as hell so we might end up obliged to defend them in open space rather than around Triton where we'll have the benefit of the base defenses.
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The Marine corvettes, at least, are super stealthy and won't get seen until someone's basically on top of them. We don't have the specs for the transports, so I can't speak to that. There's always the possibility the IC have their own Special Branch-equivalent ships lurking about Triton like we do Saturn, though, so for all we can prove there's a ship sitting tucked away on some Neptunian moon reporting everything that comes and goes regardless of how stealthy it is. [Actually, after this crisis is dealt with, we should probably sweep the area and look for just that - preferably with the SB's help] If I'm eyeballing these distances right, though, the liberation TF should be either most of the way to, or actually at S-T before the IC gets close to Triton. If they want to change targets and chase after the Marines, it'll be a large and obvious course change (we do have someone shadowing that massive death fleet, right?) which we'll have days if not weeks to react to. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 13:36
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Crazycryodude posted:The Marine corvettes, at least, are super stealthy and won't get seen until someone's basically on top of them. We don't have the specs for the transports, so I can't speak to that. There's always the possibility the IC have their own Special Branch-equivalent ships lurking about Triton like we do Saturn, though, so for all we can prove there's a ship sitting tucked away on some Neptunian moon reporting everything that comes and goes regardless of how stealthy it is. Unless something goes extremely wrong or there are ships snooping it's unlikely that the IC would spot transports leaving Neptune at this point. Right now there is nobody shadowing the big fleet but it was last seen heading directly for Saturn. I believe the current plan involves dispatching a fleet scout to go inspect Saturn and watch for its arrival. You also still have the light cruisers at Triton with fine resolution sensors, they could sweep the moons and see if anything was hiding out.
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Jun 24, 2017 14:15
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Can I add that as an addendum to my plan? Might as well go over the local moon system with a fine-toothed comb before the climactic battle, doesn't cost us anything except a bit of fuel.
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Jun 24, 2017 14:19
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So our plan right now is: 1. marines and marine craft taskforce out and disrupt mining/trade and generally be pirates. 2. Assualt brigade detaches with transports and light escort. Go to S-T and attempt capture. 3. Neptune fleet elements rally at Neptune under the battleship pdcs umbrella basically. 4. Light elements scout neptune moons. This is a safe plan that I like.
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Jun 24, 2017 14:56
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Yes. Though point 1 there is really more the next phase of point 2. The Marine task force are the light escort, and they will then raid with S-T as their base. We should probably leave the Marine assault carrier at Triton to take a shot at boarding and capturing some more IC poo poo, though.
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Affi posted:So our plan right now is: I support this.
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Jun 24, 2017 15:59
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OK, in that case I can support Cryo's plan too. But only the marine corvettes to escort to Triton, anything DD and up must stay with the fleet. And I still think we should make an attempt on the IC logistic capability before engaging them in pitched battle.
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Pharnakes posted:OK, in that case I can support Cryo's plan too. But only the marine corvettes to escort to Triton, anything DD and up must stay with the fleet. And I still think we should make an attempt on the IC logistic capability before engaging them in pitched battle. I also like the idea of doing that if we can fix one of those captured missile ships in time.
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From the Idiots on Social Media thread:Technocrat posted:Silicon Valley re-invents the wheel, again. This is who we're fighting. I'm so, so sorry I ever voted for them.
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So I'm thinking Earth and the IC have some kind of working relationship that we need to gently caress up. We need to convince earth that IC sucks and that we're a better partner. Why do I think they have a secret alliance? 1. iC scientists on earth owned Pluto. 2. Earth is building what I'm assuming is a survey ship or possible already a gatebuilder. So IC is probably sharing their findings with earth freely. If we can prove to be a more reliable partner then we could very well divide up the solar system between two blocks instead of three.
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Affi posted:So I'm thinking Earth and the IC have some kind of working relationship that we need to gently caress up. We need to convince earth that IC sucks and that we're a better partner. Now you're just being paranoid.
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Then what is earth building that has been alluded to so many times? Something related to Pluto and what's going on there I bet.
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Yes, Earth is up to SOMETHING. But how do you jump from that to IC involvement? Given the IC had an invasion fleet on its way to Pluto before we intervened.
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Veloxyll posted:Yes, Earth is up to SOMETHING. But how do you jump from that to IC involvement? Given the IC had an invasion fleet on its way to Pluto before we intervened. Maybe they attempted to double cross earth? Maybe it was a joint mission? Remember that the actual troop transports dumped their troops on ST. Maybe I am just crazy.
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Affi posted:So I'm thinking Earth and the IC have some kind of working relationship that we need to gently caress up. We need to convince earth that IC sucks and that we're a better partner. What makes you think there are IC scientists on Pluto? They attempted to seize Pluto and put their scientists on it sure, but that doesn't seem to me like the actions of an ally to Earth. Although I will note that we still haven't heard Earth's reaction to the convoy interception. Also they didn't put all the troops on S-T by any means. We captured plenty, as well as PDC components.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:45
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Affi posted:So our plan right now is: Alright, I'm down. If we're going to use S-T as a base in the future let's put a captured PDC on it too.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:48
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I still maintain that swift Tuttle is a very worthless piece of rock that people for some reason want to hold. And I believe I read that the scientists on Pluto were from IC while earth had nominal control of the rock.
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Crazycryodude posted:From the Idiots on Social Media thread: This is basically IC.jpg. Affi posted:So I'm thinking Earth and the IC have some kind of working relationship that we need to gently caress up. We need to convince earth that IC sucks and that we're a better partner. To address point one, it was an IC expedition that made the Pluto discovery. IT had permission from Earth to be conducting scientific surveys but this doesnt imply much, Pluto was basically considered a worthless rock of little interest. Veloxyll posted:Now you're just being paranoid. Is it paranoia if people really are out ot get you? Pharnakes posted:What makes you think there are IC scientists on Pluto? They attempted to seize Pluto and put their scientists on it sure, but that doesn't seem to me like the actions of an ally to Earth. Although I will note that we still haven't heard Earth's reaction to the convoy interception. Unless it wasnt clear the scientific expedition on Pluto is IC funded but completely civillian and quite small. I'll run with Affi's four point plan later today unless anyone has any major objections.
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Not really a major objection, but this seems like an important order of operations distinction:Crazycryodude posted:Yes. Though point 1 there is really more the next phase of point 2. The Marine task force are the light escort, and they will then raid with S-T as their base. We should probably leave the Marine assault carrier at Triton to take a shot at boarding and capturing some more IC poo poo, though.
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I don't think there's any secret collusion between Earth and the IC. Earth seemed pretty pissed about them trying to build a listening post on Tempel 1, and like Saros said, letting a few eggheads crawl over some worthless iceball nobody cares about isn't indicative of a grand scheme. Even mortal enemies let each other on their territory now and then, I'm sure there's an example or two from the Cold War of American/Soviet scientists getting to come look at some meaningless thing in Siberia/Alaska or bits of Antarctica claimed by the other guy or whatever. We haven't heard Earth's response to us tattling on the IC re: the Pluto invasion force, but I'm sure they won't be happy. However, Earth is definitely up to some bullshit on Mercury, and we should be doing our best to get in good with them. If I had to guess they're probably on the verge of perfecting either gravitational survey sensors or even jump drives. Whatever it is, it's 100% related to interstellar travel, because that was specifically mentioned as the one area they have a tech edge in.
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I'm sorry if this is kind of breaking the 4th wall, but what is your scope for the LP Saros? I was imagining we will play out this conflict, kind of like WiTP in space then that will be it. Or are we continuing on to conquer the stars once we've settled this spat?
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I asked him once on Discord and the answer was basically "until I get bored", iirc. We're probably gonna be in the solar system for a while yet, but who the hell knows where the final station on this crazy train is. Don't quote me on that, though, I don't wanna come off like I can speak for Saros. It's his LP, I'll let him answer. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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GunnerJ posted:Not really a major objection, but this seems like an important order of operations distinction: I agree with this and would've amended the plan if I'd been on a computer instead of a phone .
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Pharnakes posted:I'm sorry if this is kind of breaking the 4th wall, but what is your scope for the LP Saros? I was imagining we will play out this conflict, kind of like WiTP in space then that will be it. Or are we continuing on to conquer the stars once we've settled this spat? Pretty much what Cryo said, there is a lot of scope for expansion after we finish up the various disputes of Sol system but that of course depends on how it all plays out. As for the plan I will use the amended version no worries.
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Interlude 1; Pluto by starlight Low orbit over Pluto: The two modified assault shuttles fall away from the operations carrier with only the briefest of taps from their maneuvering thrusters, spread out below them is the icy wasteland of Pluto. ‘For once it might be nice to go somewhere you can’t see the horizon’s curve so obviously’ thinks Col. ‘Autoshades.’ In front of him in the pilot's seat sits Commander Yooper, another recent induction to Special Branch and fellow veteran of Tempel 1. Yooper grins and flashes him a quick thumbs up, his mechanical arm - another souvenir from Tempel’s fighter action, whirring gently as he settles it back into the cockpit interface. “Nice quiet drop today Colonel” announces Yooper, “No sign of anything but a small set of hab domes and that civvie freighter parked next to the giant hole. The destroyers are overwatching and there’s nothing bigger than a grain of sand for millions of klicks.” “I feel a little bad for them you know” remarks Autoshades ”Those poor bastards on the ground have spent months digging down to… whatever that is and here we come swooping in to steal their thunder.” “Oh well,” he shrugs and settles back into the drop harness, the massive boarding armor folding itself around him as the racks of drones alongside come to ready alert and begin to light up. The shuttles swoop over the settlement, one company of Marines falling gently to surround the habitation domes clustered around the enormous excavation hole drilled through the Plutonian ice while Autoshades company and flocks of attendant drones descend down the excavation shaft. The hole is over 200 meters wide at the top and over a kilometer deep and at the bottom is… something.  Drop zone, Charon silhouetted on the horizon. - Armor log; Col Autoshades. His suit complains as it tries to map the dark outcropping with radar, lidar and TN pulses but registers just a blank surface which throws back confused echoes. The bottom of the shaft is about fifty meters wide and half of it is a perfectly smooth black surface protruding from the shaft wall and the other slick refrozen ice. Next to the dark mass lies a clutter of abandoned drilling equipment and what looks like various cutting tools, many obviously broken in attempts to breach the shell of the structure down here.  Pluto shaft descent. - Armor log; Col Autoshades. A single spacesuited figure waits at the bottom of the shaft. Saros fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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