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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Boon posted:

Slow news weekend, so I'm going to repost this Iron Stache video because it's honeslty such a good loving ad. That needs to be the national D message (notice it does not call him a D).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zAyPRbels

Dems need more of this. More candidates like this. More message like this. More, more more.

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Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

skylined! posted:

iron stache is funded by the dccc and tweeted an invite to Louise mensch yesterday

he uh has some problems

Well that second bit is disconcerting but he's at least way loving closer to the mark than anything they've pushed in ages so I'll take it.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Pretty sure he's disavowed Louise Mensch.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Boon posted:

Slow news weekend, so I'm going to repost this Iron Stache video because it's honeslty such a good loving ad. That needs to be the national D message (notice it does not call him a D).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zAyPRbels

This is very good.

Now compare it with this and let's discuss the differences.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Welcome to the Divided States of Apathetica.


Yup. As much as I liked what Bernie was saying, everything he was proposing made me think of countless student elections where the candidate that ended up winning always promised "Coke machines in the cafeteria." It never mattered that they had no power to actually make that a reality because the cafeterias were privately-operated businesses within public schools, but damned if it didn't *always work*.

It reminded you of some poo poo that didn't happen?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

empty whippet box posted:

It reminded you of some poo poo that didn't happen?

Empty promises that could never be fulfilled because of bureaucratic red tape and established doctrines both legal and quasi-legal that the candidate didn't understand or *want* to understand? Yes.

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Relentlessboredomm posted:

The left killed his dad, and now he's out for revenge. Coming to a conservative theater near you. He is:Berniebro Butcher

Berniebros and conservatives are allies of convenience. Democrats are a waste unless they embrace the dumb socialist strawman Reagan created.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Crabtree posted:

Right, but China has a deeper problem that nukes wouldn't solve to subjugate the US - they want our fertile land because they're already building too many ghost towns to properly farm to feed themselves. China would probably wait until state split up and try to weasel their way into buying us out when we firesale our own country to afford more tax breaks for people that have fled to be oligarchs in Russia or the EU.

China is far, far more interested in the Russian Far East. Russia has a significant amount of under-utilized medium-quality soil that the Chinese would love to get their hands on. Russia is actually mostly incapable of defending the entirety of its border and any resource war for China would likely start there. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

enraged_camel posted:

This is very good.

Now compare it with this and let's discuss the differences.

loving lol, if he'd done some comedy tropes in there like typing for way too long and then it just saying "lol" or typing like twice and it being a max char tweet... and then at the end he just tosses the phone leisurely into the "Karen Handle Memorial Government Phone Disposal Bin" and then putting a corn cob pipe in his mouth and popping up one eyebrow looking dapper as gently caress.

I should write campaign ads for youngs.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

enraged_camel posted:

This is very good.

Now compare it with this and let's discuss the differences.

Seriously? Christ.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Zwabu posted:



Dems need more of this. More candidates like this. More message like this. More, more more.


:agreed:

KickerOfMice
Jun 7, 2017

[/color]Keep firing, assholes![/color]

Spaceballs the custom title.
Fun Shoe

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer



That's a great shop job, I applaud the creator.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Why the gently caress is CCJ allowed to continue to exist.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Shimrra Jamaane posted:

With the boomers dying out the boogie man factor for terms like Socialism has been dying with them.

I mean just look at how well Bernie did.

Hmm. Actually you may be right. Any studies on socialism's acceptance versus age groups anyone have handy?

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties

Pembroke Fuse posted:

China is far, far more interested in the Russian Far East. Russia has a significant amount of under-utilized medium-quality soil that the Chinese would love to get their hands on. Russia is actually mostly incapable of defending the entirety of its border and any resource war for China would likely start there. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

Yep, there's a reason why when push comes to shove (i.e. Sino-Soviet split) China and Russia won't be friends.

The U.S. and China may be strategic competitors, but not having a land border significantly reduces the chance for conflict.

China and Russia have an incredibly long land border and quite a bit of bad blood over the last 200 years.

I'm sure there's a general or two in the PLA that would like Vladivostok back.

KickerOfMice
Jun 7, 2017

[/color]Keep firing, assholes![/color]

Spaceballs the custom title.
Fun Shoe

Chilichimp posted:



That's a great shop job, I applaud the creator.

Wasn't me, unfotunately. It's a slow night so :v:

Blitz of 404 Error
Sep 19, 2007

Joe Biden is a top 15 president

Pretty cool that Ice Cube invites Mark Davis to his concerts

mynnna
Jan 10, 2004

Pembroke Fuse posted:

China is far, far more interested in the Russian Far East. Russia has a significant amount of under-utilized medium-quality soil that the Chinese would love to get their hands on. Russia is actually mostly incapable of defending the entirety of its border and any resource war for China would likely start there. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

Oh goody, a literal Tom Clancy plot.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

mynnna posted:

Oh goody, a literal Tom Clancy plot.

If anything, China would be more interested in the vast tracts of virgin, arable, naturally-fertilized (lol methane) farmland and oil fields that are about to open up under the permafrost in the "Middle of loving Nowhere" part of Russia.

And that's pretty much a reiteration of the OP. I should sleep. =/

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 25, 2017

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

mynnna posted:

Oh goody, a literal Tom Clancy plot.

Not sure how to interpret this comment, but more context (and perhaps less alarmist interpretation) is provided here: http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/russia-china-and-the-far-east-question/

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Pembroke Fuse posted:

China is far, far more interested in the Russian Far East. Russia has a significant amount of under-utilized medium-quality soil that the Chinese would love to get their hands on. Russia is actually mostly incapable of defending the entirety of its border and any resource war for China would likely start there. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

No country that has nukes needs to "defend the entirety of their border."

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

enraged_camel posted:

No country that has nukes needs to "defend the entirety of their border."

Russia sure seems to think so. Why do you think they're in Ukraine and Ossetia? Or why they've always desired buffer states?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

BIG HEADLINE posted:

China's stockpile is much larger than estimated

I don't think this is true. Their breakout ability is huge, but their stockpile is almost certainly where estimates put it.:confused:

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Young Freud posted:

Russia sure seems to think so. Why do you think they're in Ukraine and Ossetia? Or why they've always desired buffer states?
I'm pretty sure the Crimea thing was more of an effort to distract the Russian public from a terrible economic situation than anything else. That and it also gave them access to a seaport.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

enraged_camel posted:

No country that has nukes needs to "defend the entirety of their border."

This is true. I guess I should have phrased my comment as "Russia doesn't have the resources to police the entirety of its land border". I don't know what the rate of current illegal immigration into Russia from China is (or vice versa), and figures range by many orders of magnitude, but it can't be a really small problem. I don't think that China is going to start a nuclear war with Russia anytime in the foreseeable future, but if if a war over land and resources would break out, it would be likelier between Russia/China than US/China as some other poster seemed to suggest.

I guess in the broadest sense, any nuclear conflict between any of the major powers would probably draw in the other ones soon enough, so it's unlikely that the concept of "localized" nuclear war has any serious merit.

Rip Testes
Jan 29, 2004

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.
What's the argument from voters that are pro AHCA? Just that it is not Obamacare? Is that really all it is? I saw that Vox linked article from a few pages back discussing Fox News coverage of the AHCA as basically taking a dump on Obamacare vs. arguing why the AHCA is actually better and it got me wondering. Like, when I think healthcare, I think quality improvement in access to and service level of health services. Is that not a shared metric? What is the AHCA going to do better than Obamacare regarding health services?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Rip Testes posted:

What's the argument from voters that are pro AHCA? Just that it is not Obamacare? Is that really all it is? I saw that Vox linked article from a few pages back discussing Fox News coverage of the AHCA as basically taking a dump on Obamacare vs. arguing why the AHCA is actually better and it got me wondering. Like, when I think healthcare, I think quality improvement in access to and service level of health services. Is that not a shared metric? What is the AHCA going to do better than Obamacare regarding health services?

When you start from the position that government spending is ipso facto immoral, anything that cuts anything is good. Then you hope that doesn't collide with your lived experience and if it does well maybe the only moral spending is my spending.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Rip Testes posted:

What's the argument from voters that are pro AHCA? Just that it is not Obamacare? Is that really all it is? I saw that Vox linked article from a few pages back discussing Fox News coverage of the AHCA as basically taking a dump on Obamacare vs. arguing why the AHCA is actually better and it got me wondering. Like, when I think healthcare, I think quality improvement in access to and service level of health services. Is that not a shared metric? What is the AHCA going to do better than Obamacare regarding health services?

It's not Obamacare.

It makes poor (minority) people suffer.

They flat out don't believe anyone saying the plans bad. Fake News!

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Young Freud posted:

Russia sure seems to think so. Why do you think they're in Ukraine and Ossetia? Or why they've always desired buffer states?

Russia's fear isn't so much that the U.S. (or China) is going to invade, as much as that it will be encircled, dominated economically, and eventually dismantled, as many Russians feel the country was in the 90's. Their (misguided) belief is that the way to head this off is reasserting control over former client states.

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost
It's the BCRA now. And what it does is gut the poo poo out of Medicaid and therefore save precious taxpayer dollars so that they can be invested (by rich people) and spur growth (for rich people's investments).

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Rip Testes posted:

What's the argument from voters that are pro AHCA? Just that it is not Obamacare? Is that really all it is? I saw that Vox linked article from a few pages back discussing Fox News coverage of the AHCA as basically taking a dump on Obamacare vs. arguing why the AHCA is actually better and it got me wondering. Like, when I think healthcare, I think quality improvement in access to and service level of health services. Is that not a shared metric? What is the AHCA going to do better than Obamacare regarding health services?
They are just brainwashed by Fox News to believe what Trump says (that Obamacare is the Worst Thing Ever and Trumpcare will be better just because it's not the awful Obamacare). I guarantee that those people have no idea about the insane Medicaid cuts, or the restoration of lifetime caps, or how premiums for anyone who are not young or rich are going to explode (assuming the entire healthcare market doesn't just collapse).

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

tetrapyloctomy posted:

It's the BCRA now. And what it does is gut the poo poo out of Medicaid and therefore save precious taxpayer dollars so that they can be invested (by rich people) and spur growth (for rich people's investments).

Tax payer dollars saved only if you make over 250k or some poo poo. Trumpers won't see gently caress all of that.

Raylen
Aug 1, 2003

You just killed the nice deranged chick from the juice bar that I was gonna score with someday maybe!
Pillbug

tetrapyloctomy posted:

It's the BCRA now. And what it does is gut the poo poo out of Medicaid and therefore save precious taxpayer dollars so that they can be invested (by rich people) and spur growth (for rich people's investments).

I simply lovehate how Republicans have deluded their voters into thinking that all these tax dollars will somehow be invested right back into our country to create jobs and growth by the oh-so-altruistic rich. Instead they'll probably end up buying international real estate or put a deposit on a new mega-yacht.

sarcasm edit

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

Mustached Demon posted:

Tax payer dollars saved only if you make over 250k or some poo poo. Trumpers won't see gently caress all of that.

Of course the bulk of them won't. But when has that ever mattered? "Money saved will be cycled back into the economy in order to create the jobs that Democrats have been strangling for the last eight years. Good jobs for hardworking middle-class workers, back where they should be: America."

Edit: You're also discounting the number of people who aren't full-on MAGA idiots, but who still vote based on the central tenets of GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS BAD SPENDING and TAXATION IS THEFT. Right now my own goddamned professional organization can't take a public stand against the pile of filth that is this legislation because some key players think Medicaid is a waste of money. THESE ARE EMERGENCY loving PHYSICIANS, AND THEY THINK GUTTING MEDICAID IS A-OKAY. And why? Because Medicaid reimburses poorly they frame it as "inefficient" (read: bad for my compensation), and because federal taxes reduce their paycheck. Period.

tetrapyloctomy fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Jun 25, 2017

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Raylen posted:

I simply lovehate how Republicans have deluded their voters into thinking that all these tax dollars will somehow be invested right back into our country to create jobs and growth by the oh-so-altruistic rich. Instead they'll probably end up buying international real estate or put a deposit on a new mega-yacht.

sarcasm edit

But think of how many jobs that mega-yacht will create, and how much manufacturing is required to make a mega-yacht. Why, if we keep cutting taxes on the rich we could see outstanding job growth in the up and coming "servant on a mega-yacht" market.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Majorian posted:

Russia's fear isn't so much that the U.S. (or China) is going to invade, as much as that it will be encircled, dominated economically, and eventually dismantled, as many Russians feel the country was in the 90's. Their (misguided) belief is that the way to head this off is reasserting control over former client states.



Raylen posted:

I simply lovehate how Republicans have deluded their voters into thinking that all these tax dollars will somehow be invested right back into our country to create jobs and growth by the oh-so-altruistic rich. Instead they'll probably end up buying international real estate or put a deposit on a new mega-yacht.

sarcasm edit

How these mesh together is that Russia today is how the end game of that plays out. Even the billionaire kleptocrats themselves, once they've hollowed and burned the country from within, will blame foreigners and moral decay for their nation becoming a shadow of its former glory.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


No joke if the rich actually did buy megayachts it would actually be good, but they don't, they just hoard it in hedge funds or sleep on top of it like lovely dragons

Bueno Papi
May 10, 2009

Mustached Demon posted:

Tax payer dollars saved only if you make over 250k or some poo poo. Trumpers won't see gently caress all of that.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/model-estimates/distribution-affordable-care-act-taxes-dec-2016/t16-0310-repeal-38-percent-net

Incomes between 200k-500k would see savings in the hundreds. It doesn't really get going until .1% earners, 165k in savings.

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empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

No joke if the rich actually did buy megayachts it would actually be good, but they don't, they just hoard it in hedge funds or sleep on top of it like lovely dragons

High tax rate but lots and lots of tax writeoffs for consumer spending seems like it could fix this.

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