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Imagine being such a point-missing dickhead that you'd want an EU military lol
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Deltasquid posted:Keep the parliament, reform the Council to only have majority voting (qualified majority voting for a few hot topics if the countries complain about it) First you need to reform the EP to actually be a democratic institution where every vote has equal value.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:48
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GaussianCopula posted:First you need to reform the EP to actually be a democratic institution where every vote has equal value.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:50
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For the nth time, smash the nation-states. Fed or Bust!
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Jun 25, 2017 08:59
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Quick reminder that Macron has sternly stated that France would bomb the poo poo out of Assad if chemical weapons are used again there
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Jun 25, 2017 09:09
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Quick reminder that Macron has sternly stated that France would bomb the poo poo out of Assad if chemical weapons are used again there Good.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:19
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GaussianCopula posted:First you need to reform the EP to actually be a democratic institution where every vote has equal value. Only Germans ever complain about this rule, so it's not that high on my priority list
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Jun 25, 2017 09:37
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I would like a Germany style (am Teutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen :kaisercry:  ) stronger parliament. Also, Pinch Me Im Meming posted:For the nth time, smash the nation-states. this but unironically
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Jun 25, 2017 09:55
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Quick reminder that Macron has sternly stated that France would bomb the poo poo out of Assad if chemical weapons are used again there Fucke to Macron
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Jun 25, 2017 10:05
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Deltasquid posted:Keep the parliament, reform the Council to only have majority voting (qualified majority voting for a few hot topics if the countries complain about it) It's much more than "loving up countries abroad". What point is there in each individual country increasing defense spending if the forces aren't integrated? Are iberian tanks going to roll to Lithuania in case poo poo flares up in the East? The south should be investing in fast/light coastal defense navy and urban warfare specialized infantry that could be fast deployed to any city in Europe. There isn't going to be a russian amphibian landing in the peninsula, there's no sense in buying any significant numbers of heavy gear. What little airforce needs we have could be supplied much cheaper by the bigger countries that have huge savings in purchase and maintenance. There's not going to be a naval battle in the Med so no point in having big navies there, anything Europe doesn't want floating in the Med it can sink from land based airforces. Our borders at the moment are Turkey and the East in general, that's where the focus and investment should be going. You can't try coordinating this stuff after problems start, military forces are only useful if they are ready otherwise they're just an expensive paper tiger. Our forces should be deployed where they are needed, under a common command structure and required to speak in english at all times so that it's not an issue if/when the time comes to operate in the field under the pressure of battle. If we want to keep peace with Russia in the long run we must not look like we are complete pushovers. It's not that Russia plans to invade Europe, it's that not being able to resist if they did only invites them to keep pushing the envelope because "whatcha gonna do about it". We shouldn't rely on America for our defense, I think by now that much is clear to everyone. e: seriously, on that last point... Let's say in 12 or 16 years Europe is going through some Ukraine 2 or energy dispute with Russia while Neo-Trump is in the White House. There is basically nothing Russia couldn't demand from us by simply rolling a couple of tank divisions to the Baltics border. People would be rightly making GBS threads their pants. Even if we ignored any hypothetical threats to nuke us as empty saber rattling that not even the russians would dare over such a non existential dispute if there wasn't a serious commitment by the Americans to intervene in a conventional land war it's not like the individual european countries could organize any sort of effective opposition in time. And all the while Neo-Trump would be holo-tweeting "serves them eco-commie-eurabians right for always acting all superior to us, don't you miss us now?  ".
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Jun 25, 2017 10:35
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MeLKoR posted:It's much more than "loving up countries abroad". What point is there in each individual country increasing defense spending if the forces aren't integrated? Are iberian tanks going to roll to Lithuania in case poo poo flares up in the East? The south should be investing in fast/light coastal defense navy and urban warfare specialized infantry that could be fast deployed to any city in Europe. There isn't going to be a russian amphibian landing in the peninsula, there's no sense in buying any significant numbers of heavy gear. What little airforce needs we have could be supplied much cheaper by the bigger countries that have huge savings in purchase and maintenance. There's not going to be a naval battle in the Med so no point in having big navies there, anything Europe doesn't want floating in the Med it can sink from land based airforces. Our borders at the moment are Turkey and the East in general, that's where the focus and investment should be going. You can't try coordinating this stuff after problems start, military forces are only useful if they are ready otherwise they're just an expensive paper tiger. Our forces should be deployed where they are needed, under a common command structure and required to speak in english at all times so that it's not an issue if/when the time comes to operate in the field under the pressure of battle.  , combined EU defense spending is actually a decent chunk of change, even after Britain self-owns itself into isolation the EU will have the third largest defense budget in the world. At the moment, it's just being spent in the most ridiculous way possible, with a shitton of forces that all try to do mutually overlapping things with a tiny slice of the budget each and therefore end up driving around with uselessly small amounts of high tech gadgets or a pile of tanks and jets that can't actually deploy anywhere because nobody thought to maintain it while it was rusting away.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:04
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blowfish posted:I would like a Germany style (am Teutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen :kaisercry: I was being literal too jfc.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:06
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France doesn't need to give up its Africa Marines. Just integrate everything you need for homeland defence(tanks and stuff), everything that goes beyond that will still be operated on a national level. It's not like the EU army is ever going to be used for anything but defense. If you want exciting international adventures full of hot ethnic women, gold treasures and children corpses you still gonna have to do it on your own and pay for it.(maybe EU will provide some logistics, I dunno)
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Jun 25, 2017 11:14
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Except that stability in the Sahel is directly linked to safety in Europe, so your distinction feels a bit artificial.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:25
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Bourricot posted:Except that stability in the Sahel is directly linked to safety in Europe, so your distinction feels a bit artificial.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:46
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It's not like we have a choice in eventually getting dragged into conflicts around us. The discussion on how/when to intervene is another matter and quite a pointless one if we are simply unable to do it effectively. If the only thing we can do is lob a couple of bombs and then run out of ammo failure is a forgone conclusion whatever we chose to do.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:59
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MeLKoR posted:It's not like we have a choice in eventually getting dragged into conflicts around us. The discussion on how/when to intervene is another matter and quite a pointless one if we are simply unable to do it effectively. If the only thing we can do is lob a couple of bombs and then run out of ammo failure is a forgone conclusion whatever we chose to do.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:03
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Better yet, give nukes to cops. :dredd:
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MeLKoR posted:It's much more than "loving up countries abroad". What point is there in each individual country increasing defense spending if the forces aren't integrated? Are iberian tanks going to roll to Lithuania in case poo poo flares up in the East? The south should be investing in fast/light coastal defense navy and urban warfare specialized infantry that could be fast deployed to any city in Europe. There isn't going to be a russian amphibian landing in the peninsula, there's no sense in buying any significant numbers of heavy gear. What little airforce needs we have could be supplied much cheaper by the bigger countries that have huge savings in purchase and maintenance. There's not going to be a naval battle in the Med so no point in having big navies there, anything Europe doesn't want floating in the Med it can sink from land based airforces. Our borders at the moment are Turkey and the East in general, that's where the focus and investment should be going. You can't try coordinating this stuff after problems start, military forces are only useful if they are ready otherwise they're just an expensive paper tiger. Our forces should be deployed where they are needed, under a common command structure and required to speak in english at all times so that it's not an issue if/when the time comes to operate in the field under the pressure of battle. Hey man, I agree with you 100%. The self-deprecating joke about loving up foreign countries was only a half-hearted "we will become that which we hate about Americans" joke but it doesn't invalidate the need I feel for an common European defence policy.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:09
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MeLKoR posted:Better yet, give nukes to cops. :dredd:
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Jun 25, 2017 12:11
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Every time a cop fires their gun, a nuke is fired at a random target. This will make cops ftfy
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Jun 25, 2017 12:13
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Squalid posted:Sooo more or less a United States of Europe? With centralized control over both economic and military foreign relations, what sovereignty would be left to the constituent states? blowfish posted:I would like a Germany style (am Teutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen :kaisercry: MeLKoR posted:The south should be investing in fast/light coastal defense navy and urban warfare specialized infantry that could be fast deployed to any city in Europe.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:16
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MeLKoR posted:It's not like we have a choice in eventually getting dragged into conflicts around us. The discussion on how/when to intervene is another matter and quite a pointless one if we are simply unable to do it effectively. If the only thing we can do is lob a couple of bombs and then run out of ammo failure is a forgone conclusion whatever we chose to do. But that's misunderstanding what happened. Yes, Europeans ran out of bombs after a weeks long bombing campaign. But do you think Gaddafi would have been able to stand up to just France alone in a conventional invasion with boots on the ground? Of course not. And the Americans demonstrate very nicely the limits in just lobbing bombs at targets in the ME. Don't sell our militaries short.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:22
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The vikings were a religiously persecuted group that attempted mutually beneficial cultural exchanges, but were so often rebuffed by their oppressors that they were forced to arms to defend themselves, though eventually the superior forces of intolerance assimilated them. Don't lump them in with the continuation of the system which destroyed their rich and vibrant culture. I dunno about that, the Normans and the Rus' were foundational to two countries that are still enthusiastic about the whole military adventurism thing to this very day. 
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Jun 25, 2017 12:22
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SaltyJesus posted:I dunno about that, the Normans and the Rus' were foundational to two countries that are still enthusiastic about the whole military adventurism thing to this very day.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:07
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Squalid posted:Sooo more or less a United States of Europe? With centralized control over both economic and military foreign relations, what sovereignty would be left to the constituent states? More or less the same amount of sovereignty as the Mexican or American or Australian or Canadian state/province has versus their own central government? After all the biggest aspect of federation is eliminating a vast chunk of the budgets of each member state due to the federal entity taking over major responsibility for both revenue and spending - the former independent states largely restricted to providing local administration and perhaps extra funding raised and spent if they wish to exceed federal standards.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:40
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just make it so we have no military response between armed police officers and nuclear weapons. That way people will have to limit their aggression to things cops can deal with, or get nuked. Hello 1955 era mr Eisenhower, I'd like to tell you about a event called the cuban missile crisis.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:54
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AlexanderCA posted:Hello 1955 era mr Eisenhower, I'd like to tell you about a event called the cuban missile crisis.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:59
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https://twitter.com/leLab_E1/status/879585005961433088 Manuel Valls is leaving the PS. He was already about to be kicked out.
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Jun 27, 2017 07:48
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I know, "rats leaving a sinking ship", and all but still:
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Jun 27, 2017 08:35
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In this case, it's more like a guy who drilled holes in the ship under the pretense of fixing it. https://twitter.com/leLab_E1/status/879598695439839232 En Marche's representatives have voted to let him join them.
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Jun 27, 2017 08:41
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Jun 27, 2017 08:50
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It was a ship full of rats and they all did their part in gnawing and scratching and burrowing through the wood.
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Jun 27, 2017 08:52
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i can't wait for all the macron toadies to gently caress off in five years
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Jun 27, 2017 08:54
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the socialist group in the assembly will be renamed the New Left group.
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Jun 27, 2017 11:22
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When you say socialist do you mean the PS?
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Jun 27, 2017 11:49
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Dunno if it's the same in French but in Dutch we have an expression: "When it rains in Paris, it drips in Brussels." http://www.lesoir.be/101439/article/2017-06-25/la-wallonie-insoumise-devient-un-mouvement-politique EDIT: I'm going to start a party called Le Royaume en Marche Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 11:50
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YF-23 posted:When you say socialist do you mean the PS? yes the parti socialiste
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Jun 27, 2017 11:51
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Kurtofan posted:yes the parti socialiste Democratic Republic of China isn't democratic and the Parti Socialiste isn't socialist.
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SA_Avenger posted:Democratic Republic of China isn't democratic and the Parti Socialiste isn't socialist. Makes u think
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