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lohli posted:Did either of you read any more than just tweet summarising things? California: where good healthcare can be shelved because "how do we pay for it, mannn" but that loving high speed train line is still being built with an empty check.
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lohli posted:Did either of you read any more than just tweet summarising things? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYfjQEqg58
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Peanut President posted:California: where good healthcare can be shelved because "how do we pay for it, mannn" but that loving high speed train line is still being built with an empty check. even funnier: the bill has the details of funding already
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I have never heard of a successful bill that wasn't perfectly drafted with contingencies for all possible situations. If there is one area where half assing stuff won't fly, it's the legislature.
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comedyblissoption posted:lol if you buy this bullshit Jimmy is usually pretty good but he went on a rant berating the speaker for not having a plan to fund the legislation that someone else wrote. steinrokkan posted:I have never heard of a successful bill that wasn't perfectly drafted with contingencies for all possible situations. If there is one area where half assing stuff won't fly, it's the legislature. I think here it's less that something isn't completely watertight so much as having a giant gaping hole or two in it. Their plan is to try to get waivers for all federal healthcare funding(like medicare and federal matching programs) that allows them to redirect it into a trust fund used to try to pay for everyone, and to make part of the legislation "We're assuming they'll let us do that, and we'll try to work out a real revenue plan later". quote:(2) It is the intent of the Legislature for the state to work to obtain waivers and other approvals relating to Medi-Cal, the state’s Children’s Health Insurance Program, Medicare, the PPACA, and any other federal programs so that any federal funds and other subsidies that would otherwise be paid to the State of California, Californians, and health care providers would be paid by the federal government to the State of California and deposited in the Healthy California Trust Fund. quote:Article 3. Healthy California Financing
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https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/06/coming-out-as-a-slytherin/?comments=1 from the woke thread. jesus christ 
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Normal parents (including my Reagan, Trump voting ones): "You worked hard. Here, I'll help you pay the tax." Thinktank sociopaths: https://twitter.com/GroverNorquist/status/879088544702181378
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I still don't get why you guys don't just include the sales tax in the advertised price of stuff.
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Of course the libertarian raised a kid that can't do math
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lohli posted:I still don't get why you guys don't just include the sales tax in the advertised price of stuff. That should really be the law of the land.
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Sorry kid no guitar for you thanks to those LIBERALS and their taxes. Now, how about a vape instead?
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lohli posted:I still don't get why you guys don't just include the sales tax in the advertised price of stuff.
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sales taxes are regressive
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i wonder what norquist thinks of the elimination of state and local tax deductions for individuals in trump's proposed budget, as it's effectively a tax increase. but that didn't stop him from saying that letting the payroll tax cut expire a few years back wasn't actually increasing taxes so i expect him to either be silent or lie againlohli posted:I think here it's less that something isn't completely watertight so much as having a giant gaping hole or two in it. the NY Health act was a much better proposal but because nine shithead democrats let republicans control the state senate in spite of the dem's numerical majority, it didn't pass that chamber for the third year in a row. one senator tried to put it in the annual budget because our horrible state political tradition ensures that most laws will be put in there, but of course that didn't happen get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 05:04 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/joeprince___/status/878833591937060864 MLK Jr's message on economics being white washed from history and being replaced with a more "Woke" rewrite makes me weep. I posted this in the woke thread, but it bares reposting quote:Our whole campaign in Alabama has been centered around the right to vote. In focusing the attention of the nation and the world today on the flagrant denial of the right to vote, we are exposing the very origin, the root cause, of racial segregation in the Southland. Racial segregation as a way of life did not come about as a natural result of hatred between the races immediately after the Civil War. There were no laws segregating the races then. And as the noted historian, C. Vann Woodward, in his book, The Strange Career of Jim Crow, clearly points out, the segregation of the races was really a political stratagem employed by the emerging Bourbon interests in the South to keep the southern masses divided and southern labor the cheapest in the land. You see, it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low. http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/documentsentry/doc_address_at_the_conclusion_of_selma_march.1.html
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i like how they transcribed the people shouting encouragement during that speech. it's a nice little touch let's also not forget that MLK wrote something called "Why America May Go To Hell" that was against the Vietnam War, right before he got assassinated
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get that OUT of my face posted:i like how they transcribed the people shouting encouragement during that speech. it's a nice little touch I did find out whom this dipshit was btw. Check out his twitter header https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson?lang=en They really want "Bernie Bro Ken" to catch on, don't they? Also here's something this guy wrote about the "Far left" being out of touch with black voters. I'm gonna get mad online here, because gently caress gaslighting horseshit https://theestablishment.co/the-far-left-is-still-out-of-touch-with-black-voters-90194cfddba6 quote:Black people can see this, they aren’t stupid. They see that the political fringe on the left and most of the right hates Obama for some of the same reasons. So when the far left comes out and says that the first Black President should be held to a different standard than Presidents before him — that he doesn’t deserve to get paid for his post-Presidential work or shouldn’t be compensated — the Black community feels that one of its largest symbols of success is under attack from an overwhelmingly white political movement. The right's criticism of Barack Obama was for being a "communist", "kenyan", a "secret muslim" , and being a phony. (cue teleprompter jokes). The left's criticism of The President was of him not getting us out of the Wars (and in fact EXPANDING THEM), Not going for Single Payer healthcare, Not prosecuting Wall Street bankers, Using Drones, Not ending the war on drugs, and just pretty much being a centrist masquerading as a lefty. How is this the loving same? Should we ignore the injustices that were likely done to the black community under his presidency because he himself was black? quote:When Obama, DeRay, or Safety Pin Box is making money, all of a sudden the far left has a problem with it. But when their own organizations and publications are taking Wall Street or corporate donations, there is no anger, no criticism, no vitriol. People taking money is an injustice regardless of political leaning . TYT is amoral as hell for doing it, as is the former President. DeRay is also COMICAL for taking it. The President was supposed to be a champion for the people he elected. He instead sold them down the loving river while occasionally tossing them a few crumbs (ACA, etc)
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lohli posted:I still don't get why you guys don't just include the sales tax in the advertised price of stuff. It makes it more difficult for people to realize exactly how much they're getting screwed by a regressive tax structure.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I did find out whom this dipshit was btw. Check out his twitter header i've seen a couple of fb friends share tweets by marcus johnson and they suck. "investing" in wall street, as in stocks, is a hell of a lot different than taking money directly from them for speaking as obama and hillary have done. the "plethora of organizations and publications on the far left" funded by the right had no link to or elaboration of their identities. these opinions have been written and reworded hundreds of times over the years and they say nothing new because they refuse to change btw The Establishment is the worst Medium site, it's as bad as the name implies
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get that OUT of my face posted:being a moderate democrat increasingly strikes me as a neurosis instead of a political belief. nobody is going to equate ken with a stupid hair style with being a mansplaining bernie supporter except for the 3% of democrats that think he's a negative for the party (or as i like to call them, "3%er democrats"). completely dismissing the statistics that say age, not race, is the defining characteristic of the bernie/hillary divide is also the sign of a sick political outlook. the problem is, they don't just want it to catch on, it already has- not among most of the electorate, but among their own small but influential clique They seem to think that focusing on economic issues and other things brought up by Bernie Sanders magically handwaves any sort of concerns from minorities. I have yet to meet a Bernie supporter that goes "I don't want to end the war on drugs", "I disagree with Killer Mike on the issues of justice reform", etc, etc. These people in fact regularly share these sorts of issues on twitter and discuss how hosed up things are for minorities in this country.. Christ as someone with new found native american heritage? What Obama did at Standing Rock is abhorrent. His inaction spoke volumes. In fact I argue what this guy wants is actually coming from the very place of "dudebro-ness" he and others want to tie bernie supporters to. They don't want change. They want incrrementalism, gradualism, and continue to being right leaning centerists. . That's what angers me about it. They stand in the way of progress. They're terrified of sacrificing any sort of privilege that they have.
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The problem is that we live in a world of finite resources, and you need to pick and choose what gets the focus. Critical theorists and their direct-action counterparts like #BLM create an unwinnable scenario and then complain that their racial justice platform doesn't resonate with the 87% of the country that isn't black. Intersectionality has poisoned activism imo e. and to be clear I'm not saying no war but class war, but I think you need to find common cause if you're going to build the kind of political coalition you need to get things done. That common cause isn't going to be a niche identity issue because nobody buys the "[X] justice is economic justice, too!" argument and people need a personal stake in the fight before they're going to show up. unlimited shrimp has issued a correction as of 22:11 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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intersectionality used to be about combining different personal backgrounds (race, sexual orientation, gender identity, economic status, etc.) to create a fuller picture of society. now it's used as a cudgel by the woke crowd as a way of saying that you can't solve racism with economic justice. in other words, they're using the concept in the exact opposite way it was originally intended for the movement for black lives platform did a good job of extrapolating one issue into a whole set of beliefs, but Black Lives Matter is still in the "raising visibility" stage and hasn't done much of anything to advance that agenda. at some point you gotta stop blocking traffic and sharing poo poo on twitter and facebook, and start creating coalitions of like-minded people and organizations and taking on the powers that be. that's how you build a lasting movement
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get that OUT of my face posted:intersectionality used to be about combining different personal backgrounds (race, sexual orientation, gender identity, economic status, etc.) to create a fuller picture of society. now it's used as a cudgel by the woke crowd as a way of saying that you can't solve racism with economic justice. in other words, they're using the concept in the exact opposite way it was originally intended for I think it actually causes a lot of racist white id pol movements to gain power as a result to boot. As laughable as that concept sounds it does in fact breed resentment from poor whites and middle class whites. Which either leads to apathy about the BLM-type movements or downright hatred of them. People do not like to preached to about how they have this "original" sin to them all the time, especially when no salvation is offered. Intelligent people like Nina Turner actually see this as a potential problem and are trying to do things like to talk to poor, rural Appalachian whites. There are some differences with those people versus poor blacks but I imagine there's much more similarities in terms of struggles in regards to education, jobs, clean drinking water, and various things of those nature. You have to build a coalition of people. This is what MLK Jr. was trying to do and what he was pointing out in his speech at Selma. He was able to point that voting for Jim Crown not only punished black citizens in the south, but also punished poor whites from achieving economic justice of their own via trading it in for the ability to be in a privileged class. THAT is the type of message that needs to be pushed. Not the message we see from 3 percenters.
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zen death robot posted:Basically: The US is a goddamn mess thats why
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think it actually causes a lot of racist white id pol movements to gain power as a result to boot. BLM does a pretty good job, yeah their are some shithead branches (some college ones and Toronto.) but they try.
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the BLM branch here decided a good way to get publicity would be to invade the yearly pride parade and scream homophobic slurs
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:the BLM branch here decided a good way to get publicity would be to invade the yearly pride parade and scream homophobic slurs What the gently caress
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idk their website contains some pretty stupid principles like "We see ourselves as part of the global Black family and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black folk who exist in different parts of the world" and "We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable." As off the deep-end as their Toronto chapter is, you still need a university education and postmodern sensibilities to comprehend and agree with a lot of the "main" platforms beyond what's stated in the name.
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:the BLM branch here decided a good way to get publicity would be to invade the yearly pride parade and scream homophobic slurs Where was this?
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"We are committed to fostering an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, shows up with capacity to lead and learn." ... kinda gives it away that they're spearheaded by some (((privileged))) college kids hepped up on Critical Race Theory who should definitely be taken seriously because ageism is never okay, guys.
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the trump tutelage posted:"We are committed to fostering an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, shows up with capacity to lead and learn." What do you expect from people who think Fidel Castro, Huey P Newton, and Bill Ayers are swell dudes
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:the BLM branch here decided a good way to get publicity would be to invade the yearly pride parade and scream homophobic slurs lol jesus. toronto? the trump tutelage posted:idk their website contains some pretty stupid principles like "We see ourselves as part of the global Black family and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black folk who exist in different parts of the world" and "We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable." what the gently caress does the last point even mean. what does anti- nuclear family bullshit have to do with taking extended families and neighborhood. i think i know, but i dont want to say it. ISIS CURES TROONS posted:What do you expect from people who think Fidel Castro, Huey P Newton, and Bill Ayers are swell dudes id take the panthers(the og ones) over some woke chucklefuck screaming about harry potter. at least they would scare the conservatives. https://twitter.com/hashtag/DisabilityTooWhite?src=hash also apperently this is thing. i mean its cool that people are acutaly trying get more disability activism(the wokes sure as gently caress don't care) honestly. reading through, its not to bad for once. good for them. Dapper_Swindler has issued a correction as of 01:30 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what the gently caress does the last point even mean. what does anti- nuclear family bullshit have to do with taking extended families and neighborhood. i think i know, but i dont want to say it. 
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:What do you expect from people who think Fidel Castro, Huey P Newton, and Bill Ayers are swell dudes If you don't think Huey Newton was cool and good you can get to gently caress
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:the BLM branch here decided a good way to get publicity would be to invade the yearly pride parade and scream homophobic slurs Link? But yeah that's kinda one of of my main criticisms of that movement. It's a lot of academic types that do things like this and often times come from a place of class privilege. Jonathan Butler at Missouri comes to mind for example. Dude's father is a millionaire.
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the trump tutelage posted:idk but here's a pretty good clue that there's a more nebulous ideological underpinning to it than it simply being an obtuse restatement of the tired truism that it takes a village to raise a child: It seems like your argument here is that they're bad because you're too dumb to understand what they're saying FuzzySkinner posted:Link? BLM is coming from a place of academia and class privilege? What?
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the trump tutelage posted:"We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable." This is about fatherless families getting support from the community but the way it's phrased makes it seem like they're talking about the disintegration of the black family somehow being almost an intended act of rejecting of western norms. I imagine these people are part of some kind of black communist/socialist group.
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Crane Fist posted:BLM is coming from a place of academia and class privilege? What? Some fervent supporters of it come from a rich upper class background, yes. http://www.snopes.com/mizzou-hunger-strike-butler-wealthy/
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Crane Fist posted:It seems like your argument here is that they're bad because you're too dumb to understand what they're saying no my argument is that Crane Fist posted:BLM['s leadership] is coming from a place of academia and class privilege because class war is OVER you guys lohli posted:This is about fatherless families getting support from the community but the way it's phrased makes it seem like they're talking about the disintegration of the black family somehow being almost an intended act of rejecting of western norms. There's no doubt in my mind that this incoherent platform was put together via the same sort of horizontal democracy that made OWS such a smashing success.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Some fervent supporters of it come from a rich upper class background, yes. That doesn't seem like a bad thing though? Like it's a movement against police brutality and the commodification of the lives of everyone in the US who isn't white, how dumb do you gotta be to try and impose a loving privilege restriction like it's the world's wokest rollercoaster or something
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