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Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

cageeeeeeeeeeeeeee posted:

Its hard but the easiest way to fix this is to stop caring about it, it happens everywhere. Its even more important driving a manual. I could get super frustrated every day and put a lot more wear and tear on my brakes and clutch or I can make sure I leave a few minutes early, leave room and both me and my car will arrive at work in better condition.

Where do you live? Because I'm telling you, in heavy bay area traffic you can try this and never, ever get home. You're literally going to have to park on the freeway to avoid closing the gap, or having it continuously closed by other drivers.

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Alarbus
Mar 31, 2010
And around Philly at least, if you make the gap just small enough to block "normal" cars, a Fiat or Smartcar is going to cram into that space at 1.5x the speed of traffic. Always Be Tailgating.

If you want to shift your commute times to avoid it, leave home at 5am, and leave work at 9pm or later.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Or be.a true capitalist and never leave work.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
Going from 75 north to 635 West in Dallas, it mashes 2 lanes down to 1 not once, but two times in 1/4 mile. I used to sit in line on the left and get all pissed off that the whole reason there was a line in the first place was people driving all the way up to the merge point on the right side then forcing their way in. I would start to float over the center line a little early and shake my fists in impotent anger as cars continued to pass me and drive another 15 car lengths up the road.

Then one day it was like a switch toggled in my head and I was like, 'what I'm just waiting in this long line out of principle? So that I'll go to Heaven when I die? gently caress this.' Now I'm one of the assholes in the right lane, driving past 20 cars right up to the merge point. I'm never aggressive about it and if another car guns it to block me from getting in front of them, well I know exactly how they feel, ain't even mad. I just get behind them instead and go to work. Hell just this morning somebody jumped out into the right lane to try and block traffic, I just went around them.

Haven't they worked out that zipper merging is the most efficient method for that kind of traffic anyway?

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Leperflesh posted:

Where do you live? Because I'm telling you, in heavy bay area traffic you can try this and never, ever get home. You're literally going to have to park on the freeway to avoid closing the gap, or having it continuously closed by other drivers.

I drive on stupid idiot-filled 101 in the bay area every day and I totally know what you are talking about, but I still leave a gap in front of me. I despise those with the car equivalent of restless leg syndrome, who jump between lanes endlessly the moment traffic becomes congested, only making the problem worse for everyone. I still keep a gap because I'm a stubborn bastard. I don't think it actually makes me get there much slower, if at all, though.

I agree with you that the off ramps and on ramps are hosed and the biggest part of the problem.

I try to avoid driving during rush hour if possible, but often can't avoid it. If 101 has depleted my soul, I will take 280 instead, but it's about 5-10 minutes slower on average. And it has it's own share of problems, namely people hitting their brakes when they turn a corner and are driving into the sun.

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Jun 26, 2013

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Leperflesh posted:

Where do you live? Because I'm telling you, in heavy bay area traffic you can try this and never, ever get home. You're literally going to have to park on the freeway to avoid closing the gap, or having it continuously closed by other drivers.

I lived in the bay area and can confirm. (Cause its me doing the deed 101 life)

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

fozzy fosbourne posted:

I try to avoid driving during rush hour if possible, but often can't avoid it. If 101 has depleted my soul, I will take 280 instead, but it's about 5-10 minutes slower on average. And it has it's own share of problems, namely people hitting their brakes when they turn a corner and are driving into the sun.

My commute for a couple of years was San Mateo to Dublin. 101-92-880-238-580. When I finally got laid off from that job it felt like I'd been released from purgatory. And that was in 2002-3, before traffic really got horrible.


Takes No Damage posted:

Then one day it was like a switch toggled in my head and I was like, 'what I'm just waiting in this long line out of principle? So that I'll go to Heaven when I die? gently caress this.' Now I'm one of the assholes in the right lane, driving past 20 cars right up to the merge point. I'm never aggressive about it and if another car guns it to block me from getting in front of them, well I know exactly how they feel, ain't even mad. I just get behind them instead and go to work. Hell just this morning somebody jumped out into the right lane to try and block traffic, I just went around them.

I completely understand. And yet I also hate you furiously.

These days I work from home 5 days a week and feel extremely blessed. I should quit my job because I've been here for 13 years and am definitely badly underpaid, but any other job is going to require me to commute at least a few days a week and so I think it's worth like the $20k-$30k a year more that I should be making to not be doing that.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Leperflesh posted:

Where do you live? Because I'm telling you, in heavy bay area traffic you can try this and never, ever get home. You're literally going to have to park on the freeway to avoid closing the gap, or having it continuously closed by other drivers.

I do this when I'm walking.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

If California was an open concealed-carry state, there'd be daily murders on 101.

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Takes No Damage posted:

Haven't they worked out that zipper merging is the most efficient method for that kind of traffic anyway?

Yeah, I thought so too. I always just merge at the last moment and dgiaf, sometimes waiting until someone will let me merge.

Here's the first thing I found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merge_(traffic)

quote:

In traffic engineering, the late merge or zipper method is a convention for merging traffic into a reduced number of lanes. Drivers in merging lanes are expected to use both lanes to advance to the lane reduction point and merge at that location, alternating turns.

The late merge method contrasts with the early merge method. A related scheme is the dynamic late merge.

The late merge method has not been found to increase throughput (throughput is the number of vehicles that pass through a point in a given period of time). However, it considerably reduces queue ("backup") length (because drivers use the ending lane until its end) and reduces speed differences between the two lanes, increasing safety.[1]

Governments hold campaigns to promote the late merge method because irritation, aggression and feelings of insecurity easily occur while "zipping". Often drivers who change lanes too early do not like to see other drivers continue until the end of the drop-away lane, even though this late merging is encouraged by the authorities. In Belgium and Germany, a driver can be penalized for not using the late merge method. In Austria only where a traffic sign so indicates.

Most states in the United States require merging traffic to yield to through traffic which already exists in the lane they wish to enter. This further complicates the common understanding of proper merging protocol, as even though zipper merging is widely encouraged, those doing so are still legally required to yield, and those who choose not to let them merge are not technically doing anything wrong legally.

So it sounds like it's preferable to zipper merge.

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Leperflesh posted:

My commute for a couple of years was San Mateo to Dublin. 101-92-880-238-580. When I finally got laid off from that job it felt like I'd been released from purgatory. And that was in 2002-3, before traffic really got horrible.


I completely understand. And yet I also hate you furiously.

These days I work from home 5 days a week and feel extremely blessed. I should quit my job because I've been here for 13 years and am definitely badly underpaid, but any other job is going to require me to commute at least a few days a week and so I think it's worth like the $20k-$30k a year more that I should be making to not be doing that.

Alternative plan: stay at your current gig and work from Colorado or Oregon or Hawaii!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

fozzy fosbourne posted:

Alternative plan: stay at your current gig and work from Colorado or Oregon or Hawaii!

yuuuup.

There's complications - we have a lot of family here, and some of them are elderly or in failing health etc., so we're feeling a bit like if we go we'll really regret not being around for them.

But I could sell my house and take the equity we gained nearly for free in the past 7 years and buy an equivalent house in a lot of other places outright. Or a decent house in, say, Portland, with lower payments and lower cost of living. My wife's career isn't quite as portable, but we'd manage.

We talk about it all the time, it's so tempting.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

fozzy fosbourne posted:

Yeah, I thought so too. I always just merge at the last moment and dgiaf, sometimes waiting until someone will let me merge.

Here's the first thing I found:
Governments hold campaigns to promote the late merge method because irritation, aggression and feelings of insecurity easily occur while "zipping". Often drivers who change lanes too early do not like to see other drivers continue until the end of the drop-away lane, even though this late merging is encouraged by the authorities.

Yuup, this was me for years. They're cutting in line it's not fair :kingsley: Then one day I realized, there is no line :coal:


Leperflesh posted:

I completely understand. And yet I also hate you furiously.

I both understand and accept your hatred. I used to be you, then I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb late merge.

So here's the bit I was talking about this morning with the attempted late-merge blocker, and 2 bonus things that don't deserve their own video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bffa9Tcos4I

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Just to be clear: if all you're doing is driving to the end of a two-into-one lane merge and then merging there, that's fine. It's lovely road setup and you're passing people who got into line early, but it's actually what the road designer intended so it's tough to fault someone for doing it.

I'm complaining about people who wait until (or slightly after) the last second to merge onto an exit lane, and then when there's no convenient gap they fuckin' stop there in their non-exit lane, blocking everyone behind them and causing drivers in the exit lane to slam on the brakes, as they force their way into the exit lane, often driving across solid whites to do it.

That is the main reason why 880 north is utterly hosed for a half-mile or more behind the 238 exit every evening, for example. Same for the 92 east exit off northbound 101. It is also the reason why the 580 offramp from westbound 24 backs up for a mile back on 24, because people take the left lane of that exit (for east 580) and then jam into the center (for west 580) lane at the last second, causing east 580 traffic to pile up behind them. It's made worse by that exit split being fed by an onramp from street level with cars trying to get across to the left lane for east 580. And even more worse because the onramp onto west 580 coincides with the big split with three left lanes headed to the bridge and three right lanes headed to merge with 880 east, so fucktons of cars trying to merge right at the same point where everyone from 24 is trying to merge left.

Anyway yeah the 2-into-1 merge is just a necessary evil sometimes, no matter how you do it you're depending on people having merging skills and too many of them just don't.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Leperflesh posted:

Just to be clear: if all you're doing is driving to the end of a two-into-one lane merge and then merging there, that's fine. It's lovely road setup and you're passing people who got into line early, but it's actually what the road designer intended so it's tough to fault someone for doing it.

Oh no absolutely gently caress these guys, if you're on the other side of a solid white line it is my goal in life to make sure you stay there, or at least cut off the next guy. We have a piece of poo poo called The Mixmaster here in Dallas where like 4 freeways all converge just south of downtown, so people on the left need to get right and vice versa. But at least in that case the chaos is contained to a known area, there's no excuse for stopping in an active lane of traffic to wait for a merge, take the next exit you self-centered pricks :argh:

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012
Latest fun in 2 to 1 merging for me on the way home is the trucks. They'll go right to the end and then merge over. Which will by the nature of their size slow everything down behind them. Since this is the US though, this is a valid and legal tactic. Even if there were signs 3 miles back to start merging because the right lane ends soon.

I just deal with it though. Not much else you can really do though. Luckily, this is Cincinnati, so the traffic isn't as miserable as it appears other people have it. Like, I haven't had any real footage captured on my dashcam in the year or so I've owned it now.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Takes No Damage posted:

Going from 75 north to 635 West in Dallas, it mashes 2 lanes down to 1 not once, but two times in 1/4 mile.

gently caress that entire interchange (along with 30 <-> 35E), but especially gently caress the 75 -> 635 West portion (both north and south). If I never had to think about that ramp again, I would probably add 5 years to my life.

Southbound to west isn't quite as bad, but I still equate it to hammering a finishing nail through my dick (instead of a roofing nail).

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Scruff McGruff posted:

Australian dash cams will always be my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcN4xlzXHvU

Goddamn, 1:46 perfect music sync.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:

gently caress that entire interchange (along with 30 <-> 35E), but especially gently caress the 75 -> 635 West portion (both north and south). If I never had to think about that ramp again, I would probably add 5 years to my life.

Southbound to west isn't quite as bad, but I still equate it to hammering a finishing nail through my dick (instead of a roofing nail).

What boggles my mind is that there used to be two lanes that carried through the turn and they changed it down to one. That's why the shoulder is so huge, there's still plenty of room for that second lane :psyduck:

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

They did the same thing on the 30 West -> 35E North ramp recently. It was 2 lanes almost all the way (then necked down to 1, opening back up to 2 pretty quickly). Now it switches to 1 lane a lot sooner.

Guess which ramp I take to work every day.. :shepicide:

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

Scruff McGruff posted:

Australian dash cams will always be my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSQ54I3ImGA
Guy broken down and while MC rider with camera pulls up, the broken down driver sees someone about to rear end him so jumps out of the car rather than be in it while it's hit.
It does not go well.

quote:

those of you that know or don't know what happened here's a pretty good video to help explain what happened
Yesterday at approximately 4:30 I'd broken down, heading outbound of Dandenong towards the city on prince's highway in noble park.

I ran out of fuel and was in the far right lane with my hazards on for about 5 minutes I made phone call to a friend to let him know i had ran out of fuel, he told me he was on his way just sit tight and I was waiting patiently when a gentleman pulled up infront of me on a motorbike
I thought you beauty maybe he can push my car out of the way
I double checked in my rear view mirror and seen what looked like a white ute getting closer and closer in my lane thinking surely he's gonna see in a quick panic because I wasn't wearing a seatbelt I jumped out of my vehicle on the medium strip thinking it was the safest place to be but unfortunately the driver spotted my car at the last second and for some reason swerved up the medium strip head on with me and launched me into on coming traffic

I don't know how I'm still alive but I am and it's truely a miracle
I suffered 2 fractured legs, torn both acl's, damaged tenders and nerves in my knees A fractured spinal bone Embrasion to the front and back of my head and cuts and bruises all over
That fridgie driver is going to be hosed. Even if he didn't hit the driver jumping out, he could have had a head on with a car coming the other way. Why the gently caress swerve right over the median island and not left?

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jun 25, 2017

The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.





Yea... I think I'd rather have whiplash from the rear-end hit, that dude is lucky to be alive, that truck nailed him good.

Seriously, run into a stopped car before driving into oncoming traffic... wtf.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

The Locator posted:

Yea... I think I'd rather have whiplash from the rear-end hit
The guy said he jumped out because he didn't have his belt on; meaning not just jumping out because he could, but meaning that he would be getting a face full of steering wheel and windshield if being rear ended at high speed while staying in the car without a belt on. So they made the choice to leave the car rather than put a belt back on before impact. (E: I wouldn't say that was wrong, as who has ever timed how long it takes to put a belt on in a panic situation?)
So staying in the car if it was hit would have been more facial reconstruction problem rather than a case of whiplash if the ute did rear end the car.


E: VV
I didn't read it like that. More like he was getting out of the car to talk to the MC rider.

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 25, 2017

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
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Fo3 posted:

The guy said he jumped out because he didn't have his belt on; meaning not just jumping out because he could, but meaning that he would be getting a face full of steering wheel and windshield if being rear ended at high speed while staying in the car. So they made the choice to leave the car rather than put a belt back on before impact. (E: I wouldn't say that was wrong, as who has ever timed how long it takes to put a belt on in a panic situation?)
So staying in the car if it was hit would have been more facial reconstruction problem rather than a case of whiplash if the the ute did rear end the car.

Maybe he'll learn to buckle up from now on? Nah...

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
But that would be only whatever speed he bounced off the seat with, not the full force of the impact. And he jumped out into oncoming traffic so even if the truck didn't get him, another car easily could have.

The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.





mobby_6kl posted:

But that would be only whatever speed he bounced off the seat with, not the full force of the impact. And he jumped out into oncoming traffic so even if the truck didn't get him, another car easily could have.

Actually if you watch the slo-mo zoom in on the bikes mirror, he jumps into the median, it's the truck that punts him into oncoming traffic.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Fo3 posted:

he would be getting a face full of steering wheel and windshield if being rear ended at high speed while staying in the car without a belt on.

Actually, he'd be pressed very hard back into his seat. Still possibly neck-breaking, but not nearly as dangerous as a front-on collision without a belt, especially if the seat has a head support.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Fallen Rib

Cage posted:

Thanks for the link :v:

This one popped up for sale:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...35T49463&cm_sp=
I was on my phone...
Google: "Adorama A118C" takes you to the product page. I wouldn't buy one from a dodgy 3rd party NewEgg Seller.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


http://i.imgur.com/iC4G8zA.gifv

hmmm

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012
Lets see, saved by not having a seat belt. That'll be food to chuck for those groups of people. It saved a person this one time, so obviously, seat belts kill people. Also, if there was even one other person in that car, they would be dead.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I just got my new Viofo A119S and ordered a hardwire kit with it. It says it has a low voltage detection in it for 11.6V, which seems to me that it'll keep powering the camera when the car is off, as long as its attached to a circuit that has power while off (stereo, for example)

has anyone done this and not had it kill their battery? I plan on putting it on a circuit that doesnt get power while off because A) its chinese poo poo and I dont expect it to work properly and b) I have CCTV covering my car at work so 80% of its parked time is already covered should I need it. Just curious how well these things actually work (youtube seems mixed)

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
11.6 is waaaaay too low

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

The Locator posted:

Yea... I think I'd rather have whiplash from the rear-end hit, that dude is lucky to be alive, that truck nailed him good.

Seriously, run into a stopped car before driving into oncoming traffic... wtf.

I’m thinking “how does he remember it?”

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
Thinkware F50 with the actual Thinkware hard wire kit.

Went over a bump one day and it stopped working. Confirmed I had the correct voltage at the plug with a multimeter.

Easy fix, exchange the camera. Now the new camera doesn't work.

Plugged it into the cigarette lighter plug and it powered up. Plug it in the hardwire kit and it doesn't.

Yellow lead is on 12v constant and it gets 12v constant.

Red is on 12v switched and it gets 12v when the ignition is on.

My only idea is that somehow it's not getting amperage? Which wouldn't make much sense since the fuse I am using is the lighter fuse that powers the lighter adapter.

Any ideas?


Edit: Double checked the inline fuses and they are fine too.

Edit edit: For shits I tried to measure amperage on 12v switched at the plug and it blew the in line fuse... So it gets amps.

Edit edit edit: Even swapped circuits to the only other switched and moved the ground with no dice.

Thinking it's actually the plug not making contact or something

Laranzu fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 3, 2017

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
More of our local oblivious drivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjmBdIF_YAM

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Zero VGS posted:

Maybe he'll learn to buckle up from now on? Nah...

And maybe he'll learn not to leave his goddamn car stopped in the fast lane.

If your car breaks down, get off the bloody road :argh:

There was even a median strip right there he could have pulled onto and been far less of a hazard to other road users.



It reminds me of a Russian dash cam I saw a few years ago of a car load of idiots who stopped in the middle lane of a highway to change their tyre during heavy traffic. Yes they got hit and, yes, some of them died.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Gorilla Salad posted:

And maybe he'll learn not to leave his goddamn car stopped in the fast lane.

If your car breaks down, get off the bloody road :argh:

There was even a median strip right there he could have pulled onto and been far less of a hazard to other road users.



It reminds me of a Russian dash cam I saw a few years ago of a car load of idiots who stopped in the middle lane of a highway to change their tyre during heavy traffic. Yes they got hit and, yes, some of them died.
He ran out of gas (which is loving dumb, I'll admit), I don't think he chose to stop there.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
And could have easily rolled to a stop where he would not be blocking a lane on a highway :shrug:


Edit:




A different Russian tyre change on the highway video from the Terrible Car thread.


drat, how many times has this happened?

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 4, 2017

Acky
Sep 30, 2004
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Older lady gets "lost" and enters the rotary the wrong way. Honked at her the first time I passed her and was still oblivious, and didnt stop. Sadly I just replaced my old dash cam and forgot to turn audio on :(.
https://youtu.be/vlJsRc7_mjs

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The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.





Acky posted:

Older lady gets "lost" and enters the rotary the wrong way. Honked at her the first time I passed her and was still oblivious, and didnt stop. Sadly I just replaced my old dash cam and forgot to turn audio on :(.
https://youtu.be/vlJsRc7_mjs

Yet another wrong-way driver on I-17 today killed some poor guy on a motorcycle today here in AZ. Caused 6 wrecks and closed the freeway. Wrong way guy was taken into custody. Luckily for me I was not in the area so have no dash-cam video of this.

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