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Harlock posted:Very few people likely play sub optimal teams because they like a character so I mean it's kind of true. Very few competitive players maybe, but this certainly isn't true for the vast majority of people who are going to buy MvCI.
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DLC Inc posted:I mean if you're just going to focus on mechanics as identity then why even bother with the Marvel license, might as well may everyone look like they came from Rising Thunder make shounen jump vs capcom and just make the animes play like marvel characters with a twist
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Jun 23, 2017 22:19
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Already got Wolverine and Cyclops covered
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fadam posted:Very few competitive players maybe, but this certainly isn't true for the vast majority of people who are going to buy MvCI.
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Look at this quote from the interview. quote:Then the third one is obviously the popularity of these characters. X was one we had to get in there. A lot of fans wanted to see X, so we brought him back. Then also we talked with Marvel very closely about their future roadmap, about what's gonna be happening. Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters, but they know some of the Guardians characters or Black Panther. You know what I mean? Captain Marvel may seem like a strange pick, but she's fantastic. She fits the gameplay. She fits the story, and they're gonna be really pushing her as a strong female lead all the way up into the movie. We're trying to take everything into account and choose the best characters. "Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters" Yeah that is utter bull, they were straight up told they could not use them.
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yeah your modern marvel fan, like, do you think they even know who wolverine is
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MonsterEnvy posted:Look at this quote from the interview. Exactly. I have never heard of Wolverine or Deadpool for instance.
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The last time media ever talked about X-Men or maybe a movie about X-Men has got to be 1865 or something. Now, give me Abraham Lincoln playable, I am very familiar with him. Or maybe a playable Emoji, I am familiar with those in TYOOL 2017. Capcom lol forever.
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I would be ok with it if they just said they were not allowed, rather then trying to justify it.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Look at this quote from the interview. Logan was the best Marvel movie this year so lmao
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Jun 24, 2017 00:56
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Race Realists posted:i hope the nerdrage never stops flowing with this game have you seen anyone actually mad about this game? mostly people just seem disappointed
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MonsterEnvy posted:I would be ok with it if they just said they were not allowed, rather then trying to justify it.
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https://twitter.com/lowtierRyan/status/878382477995155456
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Jun 24, 2017 02:28
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marvel does not exist, x-men do not exist, capcom completely made up the marvel name to make it look like this was the most epic crossover game of all time, but in fact it was a clever ruse to get us used to a particular set of fighting game mechanics. we all fell for it, we just didn't get the memo until now.
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Jun 24, 2017 02:37
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Freakazoid_ posted:marvel does not exist, x-men do not exist, capcom completely made up the marvel name to make it look like this was the most epic crossover game of all time, but in fact it was a clever ruse to get us used to a particular set of fighting game mechanics.
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Zand posted:have you seen anyone actually mad about this game? mostly people just seem disappointed ...are you loving kidding me? BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 04:39
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I'm not mad about this game, I'm just really sad. But I'm glad that dragon ball z fighter came in screaming to fill the void
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I didn't even play MvC 3, and I'm still disappointed. MvC without the X-men is a joke.
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Yeah. I mean, they're still making X-Men movies so it's not like they've slipped off the radar over the past decade.
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Hexenritter posted:Yeah. I mean, they're still making X-Men movies so it's not like they've slipped off the radar over the past decade. logan came out this year
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Jun 24, 2017 06:51
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logan is the 6th highest grossing movie of the year so far, worldwide
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Jun 24, 2017 08:26
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Tried reading this thread, gave up. Game looks real bad, need DBZ in my life. That is all.
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Jun 24, 2017 08:47
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Endorph posted:logan is the 6th highest grossing movie of the year so far, worldwide There is a reason though and that logan was a pretty goddamn good movie, especially if you have followed hugh jackman's work from 1999 to today infinite is not a good movie, felt the need to point this out
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KungFu Grip posted:Logan was the best Marvel movie this year so lmao but was it part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
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the marvel cinematic universe can lick my n*ts. i cant loving believe how lovely hawkeye's design looks. not even his model, obviously that sucks since everyone's does, but even a well made model of MCU hawkeye sucks compared to the cool old mvc3 style
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So hype for this at EVO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRHi9oyMXqE
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Lmao I don't even know why they have to lie about the xmen characters not being in the game when we all know the true reason. I really want to see the contract between capcom and marvel now lol.
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"we graciously accept your lovely animes to appear alongside the Amazing characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe as long as you don't mention the muties, capiche"
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CubsWoo posted:So hype for this at EVO without looking, what hilarious dbfz video is this? 
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Lmao I don't even know why they have to lie about the xmen characters not being in the game when we all know the true reason. I really want to see the contract between capcom and marvel now lol. We don't all know the true reason. Rosas is speaking to the casuals, and saying, "Hey, I know you probably played a lot of the X-Men characters, but we made sure that other characters would fit their various niches, so you should find somebody else you like to play." I assume this is why Iron Man has a rekka now, for example; he's meant to be the "new Magneto." This is all marketing-speak. Yeah, if you know fighting-games and you're active in the FGC, even just as a stream monster, you can see it as the focus-group bullshit it is, but they aren't talking to you. They're talking to the millions of casual fans who will make up the bulk of this game's sales, whether or not it succeeds, and they're willing to put up with the mockery from the hardcore scene in order to help sell the game to its primary audience. Never assume something's malicious when it could just be stupid, and in video games, never assume something's stupid when it could just be marketing.
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ah, yes, casuals, know for their indepth knowledge and devotion towards certain movesets, instead of playing whoever their favorites are seriously that might be the dumbest post ive ever seen. your average casual doesn't even know what a rekka is
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wait, backup. did magneto even have a rekka?
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Wanderer posted:We don't all know the true reason. Rosas is speaking to the casuals, and saying, "Hey, I know you probably played a lot of the X-Men characters, but we made sure that other characters would fit their various niches, so you should find somebody else you like to play." I assume this is why Iron Man has a rekka now, for example; he's meant to be the "new Magneto." Yes we do, marvel just wants to promote the characters from the film franchise they own the rights for, they don't own the X-men film license. This game is essentially just an AD for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Its not malicious, its just marketing but they shouldn't treat their audience like they have no idea what is actually going on.
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Endorph posted:ah, yes, casuals, know for their indepth knowledge and devotion towards certain movesets, instead of playing whoever their favorites are Dunning-Kruger rears its ugly head again. Nice going, champ. It's really not that hard to understand what Rosas was going for, although his phrasing was awful. If you picked a character in UMVC3 for a particular style of play that they represented, he's saying they tried to represent that style in the reshuffled cast, which is why Iron Man rushes poo poo down now, Cap has Taskmaster's counter, Rocket can summon Groot to cover about as much ground as Sentinel could, etc. Players may have preexisting character loyalty, but if they stick with a game for a while, even if it's just for couch play or dorm match-ups or whatever, they'll pick up other characters who might play better, especially when it's a team-based game. There are a lot of casual players who couldn't give a poo poo about Magneto or Doom as characters, but they still find their way onto a lot of players' teams because they're easy to use and effective. Conversely, there's a good half of the cast where there's no reason to use them besides character loyalty (why pick Iron Man when Doom exists, unless you just happen to like Iron Man?), and a lot of those guys came back for the sequel, so the developers are trying to thread that needle. The REAL Goobusters posted:Yes we do, marvel just wants to promote the characters from the film franchise they own the rights for, they don't own the X-men film license. This game is essentially just an AD for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Its not malicious, its just marketing but they shouldn't treat their audience like they have no idea what is actually going on. 90% of their audience doesn't know what's going on. 90% of their audience are casual players who will pick this up on week one from the Wal-Mart electronics aisle because it says "Marvel" on the cover. If you are into the hobby to such an extent that you discuss the hobby on online message boards, you are part of a hardcore 10% and are in no way reflective of the vast majority of the gaming audience. That's something a lot of enthusiasts don't realize, but once you know that, a lot of what developers and publishers do makes a lot more sense. Wanderer fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Wanderer posted:Dunning-Kruger rears its ugly head again. Nice going, champ. i dont think you understand who the 'casual' marvel players are.
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I saw dunning-kruger in the first sentence and then the rest of the post became white noise to me
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I know a couple friends that played MvC casually and they are definitely not picking this up specifically because its missing Wolverine.
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Endorph posted:i dont think you understand who the 'casual' marvel players are. I guarantee you don't. The entire objection here is rooted in an assumption: that a theoretical casual player of Marvel will stick with a character even when he or she kinda stinks, because they're buying the game specifically to play as that character, and that nobody ever branches out to the rest of the cast. That'd be a stupid assumption to make in a 1v1 game, let alone a team game. The fact that Rosas even thought this was worth talking about at all suggests that he knows such is not the case. He's the community manager; he's the guy with the data. I guarantee you that for whatever mistakes he's made, he knows more about how his audience is playing the game than you do. That's half the reason why achievements/trophies exist, after all; it's a treasure trove of voluntarily-submitted gameplay data.
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