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hakimashou posted:Isn't nativism a bad thing? Why are people here so, so bad at getting the difference between nativism and anti-colonialism.
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tag youre fat posted:i love when all the no war but class war guys make a sudden exception for irish nationalism, an ideology created by catholic landowners concerned about losing their position as the landed class Wolfe Tone was protestant and the plantation wasn't a revolutionary movement, it was the blueprint the british empire was built on.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:24
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ireland should be reunified because the border is insanely ugly otherwise
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Jun 25, 2017 21:25
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"Well actually the Orissa famines were good because they destroyed Oriya feudalism"
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Jun 25, 2017 21:26
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Why are people here so, so bad at getting the difference between nativism and anti-colonialism. it's nativism when i don't like it and anti-colonialism when its good simple
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Jun 25, 2017 21:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQAusM72s7g&t=3250s
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Jun 25, 2017 21:42
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every island should have one nation each eurafricasia is gonna own
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Jun 25, 2017 21:45
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Fallen Hamprince posted:it's nativism when i don't like it and anti-colonialism when its good Nativism is excluding outsiders, anti-colonialism is being against subjugation by powerful outsiders. I'm starting to think people are only pretending not to get this.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:49
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i support the ira because i hate border gore  disgusting
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Jun 25, 2017 21:51
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Nativism is excluding outsiders, anti-colonialism is being against subjugation by powerful outsiders. I'm starting to think people are only pretending not to get this. the question is very much who counts as an "outsider" here.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:54
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Nativism is excluding outsiders, anti-colonialism is being against subjugation by powerful outsiders. I'm starting to think people are only pretending not to get this. powerful outsiders such as the busload of protestant labourers you massacre because they're dirty ulstermen
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Jun 25, 2017 21:55
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just imagine playing CK2 and having all of ireland except for NI for centuries on end it would drive me mad
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Jun 25, 2017 21:55
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'pretty borders' really grinds my gears. it's my pet peeve. pretty borders are, frankly, boring. go 15th century HRE it's more interesting that way.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:56
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the IRA deserve some credit for creativity tho, the Proxy Bombings were some Saw poo poo. you know you're terroristing pretty hard when FARC copies you
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Jun 25, 2017 21:56
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IMO it's not a good thing when a country is turned into a warzone and people are being killed on the streets.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:57
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Fallen Hamprince posted:the IRA deserve some credit for creativity tho, the Proxy Bombings were some Saw poo poo. you know you're terroristing pretty hard when FARC copies you i'm sure they're devastated to learn just hjow easily they could have burned buildings
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Jun 25, 2017 21:59
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Irony Be My Shield posted:IMO it's not a good thing when a country is turned into a warzone and people are being killed on the streets. hippie
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Jun 25, 2017 21:59
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Fallen Hamprince posted:powerful outsiders such as the busload of protestant labourers you massacre because they're dirty ulstermen Powerful outsiders like invaders who explicitly oppressed the natives living in their domain. I don't support a lot of the stuff the IRA did but acting like they were the clear bad guys and the Ulsters were the clear good guys is willfully ignorant.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:08
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Powerful outsiders like invaders who explicitly oppressed the natives living in their domain. I don't support a lot of the stuff the IRA did but acting like they were the clear bad guys and the Ulsters were the clear good guys is willfully ignorant. who did that?
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Jun 25, 2017 22:14
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What if you believe immigrants are trying to colonize your country, does that make nativism OK?
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Jun 25, 2017 22:15
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"A deliberate effort by a conquering power to displace the locals and replace them with its own loyal people is a lot like immigration wouldn't you say"
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Jun 25, 2017 22:17
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If Nigel Farage went on TV and explained that the EU is much stronger than Britain and has been trying for years to colonize it with continental europeans by means of the freedom of movement provisions in the EU treaties, would he become an anti-colonialist hero and the Brexit a brave act of decolonization and preserving Britain for rule by its native people?
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Jun 25, 2017 22:19
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the moon was made from the earth so you're not wrong :sci101:
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Jun 25, 2017 22:20
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Powerful outsiders like invaders who explicitly oppressed the natives living in their domain. I don't support a lot of the stuff the IRA did but acting like they were the clear bad guys and the Ulsters were the clear good guys is willfully ignorant.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:20
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Like those guys being bad fucken news is pretty much shared I think.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:20
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Ah yes, who could forget all those times when Brussels deported good old stock english families to have them replaced by polish landlords. It's very funny because you're never going to find as much sympathy for british unionism anywhere outside of the anglosphere cultural bubble.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:21
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"Hm, but if neonazis say something happens clearly an extremely well documented case of ethnic cleansing cannot have happened, checkmate, everyone who has studied the history of british colonialism"
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Jun 25, 2017 22:23
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the situation in ireland is a fuckin mess but lol if you think the DUP aren't just looking for any excuse to turn things into a syria-esque foreverwar
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Jun 25, 2017 22:23
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hakimashou posted:What if you believe immigrants are trying to colonize your country, does that make nativism OK? bad post generator operating at peak efficiency today
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Jun 25, 2017 22:30
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nationalism bad always
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Jun 25, 2017 22:32
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Yinlock posted:nationalism bad Palestinian nationalism even?
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Jun 25, 2017 22:34
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Hey now you're in Ulster watch out for Sinn Féin
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Jun 25, 2017 22:56
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hakimashou posted:What if you believe immigrants are trying to colonize your country, does that make nativism OK? Then you're one of the idiots worried about La Raza. hakimashou posted:If Nigel Farage went on TV and explained that the EU is much stronger than Britain and has been trying for years to colonize it with continental europeans by means of the freedom of movement provisions in the EU treaties, would he become an anti-colonialist hero and the Brexit a brave act of decolonization and preserving Britain for rule by its native people? No? Yinlock posted:nationalism bad Tibetan nationalism isn't.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:59
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Powerful outsiders like invaders who explicitly oppressed the natives living in their domain. I don't support a lot of the stuff the IRA did but acting like they were the clear bad guys and the Ulsters were the clear good guys is willfully ignorant. Someone who is born in Northern Ireland, who's never set a foot outside of it, who's family and friends are all in Norhtern Ireland is not an outsider, it doesn't matter if they're deep Catholic Irishman, orange wearing Unionists or a second generation pakistani who keeps close ot family traditions. they have the right to be there, and they have the right to have his culture respected and be free from suffering violence .Yeah, the fact some of them are there was the result of horrible poo poo in the past that shouldn't have happened, but the fact is that they are there, and there lives are there. They have the right to be there, and they have no duty at all to 'integrate or leave'. We can point to some government policies that try to stamp out a culture and say 'hey, this stuff is wrong' but pointing at someone and saying 'hey, if you live in this piece of land, you need to adhere to this cultural package is a toxic kind of thinking and bad and poo poo.
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Jun 25, 2017 23:00
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Shogeton posted:Someone who is born in Northern Ireland, who's never set a foot outside of it, who's family and friends are all in Norhtern Ireland is not an outsider, it doesn't matter if they're deep Catholic Irishman, orange wearing Unionists or a second generation pakistani who keeps close ot family traditions. they have the right to be there, and they have the right to have his culture respected and be free from suffering violence .Yeah, the fact some of them are there was the result of horrible poo poo in the past that shouldn't have happened, but the fact is that they are there, and there lives are there. They have the right to be there, and they have no duty at all to 'integrate or leave'. There is an extremely strong difference between people who are there because of active, violent colonization and people who are there because of immigration and this is the kind of stupid equivocation that ends up carrying water for zionist expansion and rhodesian nostalgia as though they were value neutral immigrants.
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Jun 25, 2017 23:03
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religious/ethnic conflicts are ugly yo
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Jun 25, 2017 23:05
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Agnosticnixie posted:"A deliberate effort by a conquering power to displace the locals and replace them with its own loyal people is a lot like immigration wouldn't you say" "Rich liberals are collaborating with a foreign power (the EU) to colonize the UK with displaced workers, because they're cheaper. This is an act of colonialism. That a small minority of well placed turncoat british, have made this explicit goverment policy, is irrelevant to whether it's colonialism or not." Ultimately all nationalism leads to the same end point.
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Jun 25, 2017 23:05
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Wait a second is hakimashou pro-Israel? That would explain everything.
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Jun 25, 2017 23:08
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Agnosticnixie posted:There is an extremely strong difference between people who are there because of active, violent colonization and people who are there because of immigration and this is the kind of stupid equivocation that ends up carrying water for zionist expansion and rhodesian nostalgia as though they were value neutral immigrants.
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Agnosticnixie posted:There is an extremely strong difference between people who are there because of active, violent colonization and people who are there because of immigration and this is the kind of stupid equivocation that ends up carrying water for zionist expansion and rhodesian nostalgia as though they were value neutral immigrants. If a person himself took part in that active colonization? Then he deserves consequences not because he's a different culture, but because he took part in violent colonization. But that is not a taint you can just keep transferring across the generation. At some point, you gotta say 'yeah,, the reason they are here because lovely people did lovely things, but they never took part in this, they were born here, their life is here, and their culture is what it is, and they should be respected same as any other culture, ' Does that mean that the crimes of the past have born fruit, and they got away with it? Yes.
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