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Maybe Amazon's method of testing out a pilot is actually good. Committing $100 million to The Get Down right to series is nuts.
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Not when the show turns out as good as The Get Down did
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Jun 25, 2017 22:23
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Mu Zeta posted:Maybe Amazon's method of testing out a pilot is actually good. Committing $100 million to The Get Down right to series is nuts. On the other hand, it really sucks to catch an Amazon pilot and actually liking it because that show could be anywhere in-between 1-2 years from hitting the screen.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:23
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Is that the first show Netflix has actually canceled after one season? Normally they give 2 seasons out of the gate, don't they?
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MiddleOne posted:On the other hand, it really sucks to catch an Amazon pilot and actually liking it because that show could be anywhere in-between 1-2 years from hitting the screen. That's a silly complaint, though.
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MiddleOne posted:On the other hand, it really sucks to catch an Amazon pilot and actually liking it because that show could be anywhere in-between 1-2 years from hitting the screen. I think that's how HBO does stuff too. They apparently film a ton of pilots that never goes to series and Game of Thrones was almost on the chopping block because the execs hated the original pilot.
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It's the normal way to do things. I think the Netflix execs became too convinced that everything Netflix makes is great.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:42
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Almost every single network films their pilots way in advance. Amazon is just the only people that show you the pilot and pick it up based on how the feedback is. That's why it's always noted when a series is ordered straight to series because it means they've bypassed the pilot phase altogether.
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Lycus posted:It's the normal way to do things. I think the Netflix execs became too convinced that everything Netflix makes is great. Well to be fair the fact that it's actually notable when a series doesn't succeed under them like this is a pretty good argument that they're right.
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X-O posted:Almost every single network films their pilots way in advance. Amazon is just the only people that show you the pilot and pick it up based on how the feedback is. That's why it's always noted when a series is ordered straight to series because it means they've bypassed the pilot phase altogether. Yeah and look what we get when Amazon goes straight to series. That Woody Allen show which he hated making.
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Aphrodite posted:Is that the first show Netflix has actually canceled after one season? Normally they give 2 seasons out of the gate, don't they? Nope. There's Residue and The Get Down. There's a decent argument to make that The Get Down actually got two seasons, since the first season was split into two separate instalments, but then there's still Residue. X-O posted:That's why it's always noted when a series is ordered straight to series because it means they've bypassed the pilot phase altogether. I've noticed that being ordered straight to series is becoming increasingly common. Netflix does a lot of shows that way, and AMC started up a workshop system a couple of years ago where entire seasons of shows are ordered and written before anything is even filmed (The Son was one of these, and the upcoming Kirsten Dunst show, On Becoming A God In Central Florida, will be another). American Gods was a straight to series order, and three new HBO / HBO subsidiary series are going straight to series as well (The Deuce, Warrior and the new Alan Ball drama show). Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Mu Zeta posted:Maybe Amazon's method of testing out a pilot is actually good. Committing $100 million to The Get Down right to series is nuts.
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I feel like taking a really big show idea and trying to make it representive on a budget is probably a little flawed. Like you can see 90% of a show in a pilot sometimes but with something like Game of Thrones or American Gods so much of it is in the production and cinematography and broader world that how are you really supposed to get that across in one episode on a limited budget? It sort of makes sense to me that a network would either sell a season on a big concept they really like or ask for a pilot if your pitch is less impressive like a sitcom but they want to see how it comes together. Like, at some point making a good enough pilot to sell American Gods or Westworld has to cost enough time and effort that just making the season makes sense.
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Is Ray Donovan actually a good show? It's nominated for awards all the time but I don't know anyone who watches it.
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Josh Lyman posted:Is Ray Donovan actually a good show? It's nominated for awards all the time but I don't know anyone who watches it. If you want a show about a fixer to the rich and famous, it's not that. It's about his stupid family drama. Jon Voight was good in it, but I still gave up after the first season.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:If you want a show about a fixer to the rich and famous, it's not that. It's about his stupid family drama.
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Josh Lyman posted:Is Ray Donovan actually a good show? It's nominated for awards all the time but I don't know anyone who watches it. Ray Donovan and Nurse Jackie occupy this weird quantum state where I have never in my life encountered anyone who actually watches them yet they are always showing up on nomination lists.
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Jun 26, 2017 02:24
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How is The Strain? I am thinking of catching up to watch the final season.
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swickles posted:How is The Strain? I am thinking of catching up to watch the final season.
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Jun 26, 2017 02:33
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Eh. Great monster effects and stuff. Kinda interesting idea and setting. Pretty questionable writing and storytelling. I think it can be a fun binge, especially if you think you'll appreciate the monsters and the idea of New York City under siege. But its not a very good TV show.
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Ray Donovan is on showtime. There hasn't been a good show on showtime since like 1999. That I know of.
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Shameless. edit: Also Penny Dreadful and United Shades of Tara. But Shameless is all that's really important.
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Jun 26, 2017 02:36
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GDT directed the pilot episode of The Strain and it's pretty fun. The boss monster genuinely looks scary in it. There's only a handful of fun scenes for the rest of the series though, including a guy slowly turning into a vampire and at one point you hear his penis fall off. Also this scene that takes place during the apocalypse. 
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Twin Peaks is on Showtime, right?
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GreenNight posted:Twin Peaks is on Showtime, right?
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STAC Goat posted:Like, at some point making a good enough pilot to sell American Gods or Westworld has to cost enough time and effort that just making the season makes sense. This is the thinking that gave noted godawful show Terra Nova a full season. They spent 50 million on that wet fart. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Guy Mann posted:Ray Donovan and Nurse Jackie occupy this weird quantum state where I have never in my life encountered anyone who actually watches them yet they are always showing up on nomination lists.
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But like, Terra Nova was garbage but that's mostly because it was all flash and lovely writing, right? So like, most pilots aren't going to tell you if the writers are going to poo poo the bed over a dozen or 22 episodes, although some may be SO bad that you put no faith in it. But then you have a show like this which probably had a pretty generic pilot writing wise and then was like "now imagine dinosaurs and spaceships and apocalyptic futures..." And someone realized that the sell was that stuff and if you were going to make that stuff you might as well just get your money's worth. I sort of feel like the solution is "pilot seasons" where you have like 6-8 episodes that can maximize the cost of actors and effects and sets and give a sense of whether there's any actual story there. American Gods seems like a sort of accidental version of that where people were kind of shaky on it through the short season but then by the end most people seem really jazzed for the show. Maybe Preacher is another example where if S1 had been half the length it would have worked as a much better "extended pilot" like that one article suggested it was. That, and of course, expecting show runners to pitch more than just an idea like "dinosaurs" to you but also a fuller story picture. But you're always going to end up with lovely shows or good ideas that fall apart. Its not my money they're wasting.
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achillesforever6 posted:That or you listen to MBMBAM where Ray Donovan will come up from time to time ♫ I HOPE RAY DONOVAN NEVER DIES ♫
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If no one has ever seen twin peaks or david lynch tonight is a good intro
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bobkatt013 posted:If no one has ever seen twin peaks or david lynch tonight is a good intro
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:It'd either make you a Lynch fan forever or turn you off of him for life. The same can probably be said for everything he's ever done.
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X-O posted:The same can probably be said for everything he's ever done.
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that might have been one of the greatest hours of television I've ever seen
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Oh poo poo, it's Field Trip, the grossest X-files episode.
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The only people who get to go to heaven are Fred Rogers and David Lynch.
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I watched 3/4 of the first episode so you don't have to: The Mist
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wormil posted:I watched 3/4 of the first episode so you don't have to: The Mist I watched all three. So far so bad. Seems very teen drama. Is this meant to be an ongoing? Because I can't see it having enough plot to carry more than 10-12 episodes, unless they focus on other groups of people and recast every season.
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twin peaks 308 best tv episode of the year
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Medullah posted:Is this meant to be an ongoing? Because I can't see it having enough plot to carry more than 10-12 episodes, unless they focus on other groups of people and recast every season. The same thing was said about Under the Dome and they stretched that out to three seasons too.
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