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now i'm thinking about what would happen if an abstentionist party gained a majority
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 00:01 |
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Majestic posted:To address his question though, if, as you portray it, this is just SHY and RDN, then why has every other national green, including generally respected people like Bandt and Ludlum, signed on to the criticism? Even Bandt and Ludlam have bought into the idea that Greens MPs should have the right to negotiate as they see fit rather than be bound by their members. They see Lee doing this as a violation of the principle of the autonomy of Party Room - something I frankly don't give a poo poo about. BBJoey posted:QM what modelling did you guys use to figure out cuts under gonski 2.0? there seems to be a lot of numbers put out by various groups but i'm not sure which ones actually reflect reality. Teachers Federation, in my case. Re: negotiation, there's a difference between participation and negotiation. In NSW, for example, our Party Room move amendments on the floor of Parliament to fix bills - sometimes bills we have no intention of ever voting for. That's different from sitting either side of the table with Tory ministers and signing up to something that, as Open said, we will take the blame for every bad part and the Liberals will take credit for every good part.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 00:18 |
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also I should hasten to point out that it is literally in the constitution that NSW MPs can be bound to vote and campaign against decisions of the Party Room should NSW choose to do so, and anyone involved at a deep Federal level in the Greens who didn't know this is either a profound idiot or confecting outrage
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 00:30 |
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I love how apparently the Vic Greens can be considered as one homogeneous bloc by you QM and can be blamed as a whole for a local branch's preselection choices(for a preselection that hasn't even been run yet). Also that Barber "rumour" is based entirely on him winding up the press so congrats someone read The Age.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 00:55 |
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freebooter posted:It's been fascinating to note - especially since I was overseas for most of 2014/15 - how quickly the narrative shifted from "there is no bubble, houses are affordable, you just have to work hard," to "OK there is a bubble but it's going to level off or deflate." I'm no economist, so genuine question: has there ever been a historical case of a bubble easing off rather than bursting? It took 15 years for the Japanese housing market to return to mean. Prices fell a bit faster at the start but overall it was pretty steady. That's the only one I know of though, and I'm not sure why it was so unlike a normal bubble.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 01:31 |
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I don't know much about economics but are real estate bubbles different from other kinds of bubbles due to the fact that every person needs a dwelling and the amount of people will always (for the forseeable future) increase? It's not like other speculative bubbles where the commodity has no real value and it bursts dropping prices down to zero/gently caress all, like the tech bubble or the Dutch Tulip mania.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:01 |
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I think because the true value of the home is unknown and auctions inflate the average suburban value of a property indefinitely. Eventually no one is gonna turn up to auctions and sellers wanna sell so prices will gradually normalise to bring the buyers back.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:05 |
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quote:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/great-barrier-reef-valued-56b-deloitte/8649936 Great barrier reef worth about the same as a high speed rail line or two Snapchats.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:08 |
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Anidav posted:I think because the true value of the home is unknown and auctions inflate the average suburban value of a property indefinitely. Eventually no one is gonna turn up to auctions and sellers wanna sell so prices will gradually normalise to bring the buyers back. Sure, if everyone selling properties had functionally infinite money and could just easily weather a downturn. People are borrowing to buy houses so they can rent them out. When rents drop, mortgages will default and the thing will come tumbling down.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:17 |
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I wonder what the QLD Government should do to help the reef...
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:17 |
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Anidav posted:I wonder what the QLD Government should do to help the reef...
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:20 |
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Cartoon posted:Privatise it. Then it would get more funding under Gonski 2.0! Genius. Get me RDN on the line.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:22 |
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Splitsssssssssssss
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:40 |
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hooman posted:Splitsssssssssssss sometimes I think that a formal split would be the best option at this point then I remembered that hope is a lie
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:42 |
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What would be the difference between a formal split and what there is now? The states are already independent, aren't they?
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:44 |
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Are we the people's front of greentopia or the greentopian people's front? I can never remember. Has no one warned the greens about splits bro?
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:45 |
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There would be more legal battles about brand ownership.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:46 |
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Someone just make a good socialist party please.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:48 |
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I'm the killer mould taking over Sydney.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:48 |
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Anidav posted:Someone just make a good socialist party please. Can we revoke the Westminster and Australia acts?
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:51 |
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Sydney had a good runnnnnn... *gets eaten by communist mould*
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:51 |
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Anidav posted:Sydney had a good runnnnnn... *gets eaten by communist mould* What will this mean for property values?
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:54 |
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Really cool write up, thanks. Honestly I always confuse Rhiannon with SHY
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:55 |
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Anidav posted:Someone just make a good socialist party please. Lets do it we can cal it The Reds
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 02:57 |
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freebooter posted:It's been fascinating to note - especially since I was overseas for most of 2014/15 - how quickly the narrative shifted from "there is no bubble, houses are affordable, you just have to work hard," to "OK there is a bubble but it's going to level off or deflate." I'm no economist, so genuine question: has there ever been a historical case of a bubble easing off rather than bursting? Thread has been saying that it is going to level off and deflate for over five years, and it is still growing. So by using my magical power of internet deduction, the bubble will actually explode big time.
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Tokamak posted:Thread has been saying that it is going to level off and deflate for over five years, and it is still growing. So by using my magical power of internet deduction, the bubble will actually explode big time. To be fair, it's only growing in Melbourne and Sydney. Perth has been deflating for a while now. So the thread was partly right.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:03 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:
Sovereignty does not work that way! Goodnight!
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:05 |
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I'd encourage the Greens to split so they can call themselves something other than the Greens and shake off the hippy tree-hugger label that it's oh so easy to slap them with when they're called "the Greens".
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:15 |
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Something like the Australian Democrats maybe?
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:18 |
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Australian Social Democrats
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:21 |
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The problem was believing that a political party is the solution. The anarchists in the suburbs will inherit the ashes of the Australian political party system while the internet "-ists" are still arguing over which brand of ideological purity will win elections to save the country
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:23 |
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Australian Labour Party.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:26 |
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australian international peoples' and workers' communist party (hoxhaist (non-reformist))
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:30 |
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australian international peoples' and workers' communist party (hoxhaist (orthodox))
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:31 |
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The loving Ape WC Phoners are really making GBS threads up this demo with their newspaper selling.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:34 |
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Looks like a bunch of very brave alt-righters put some posters up on my campus with that very annoying poster glue in the last day or so
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:37 |
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Australian Socialists
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:44 |
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Quantum Mechanic posted:also I should hasten to point out that it is literally in the constitution that NSW MPs can be bound to vote and campaign against decisions of the Party Room should NSW choose to do so, and anyone involved at a deep Federal level in the Greens who didn't know this is either a profound idiot or confecting outrage Close quote:Greens senators have the right to exercise a conscience vote, but they must inform their colleagues once they have decided to do so. Now if you're going to argue it wasn't her decision, that you bound her and Lee is a poor puppet being bound by her party because of the NSW rules (written in because the NSW Greens always wanted to be a special snowflake compared to literally oevery other state, this constitution isn't normalised) then maybe she should've said at some point "hey guys the state bound me" but she didn't, nor did you tell the party you had bound her. This was all done behind closed doors and to cause as much silent problems as possible. Stop trying to play the moral idealistic high ground here, you're bullshitting your rear end off because you feel righteousness in your union, but to argue your hands are clean and "everything we did we were allowed to but we did it in such a way to follow the Greens line of not showing outward disunity" is such bollocks and university socialist alternative dogma that its dumb as balls. Not to mention everytime you keep saying "they need us more than we need them" just reinforces good, leave, nothing is stopping you.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:50 |
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Just got a call from the WA office; apparently my membership lapsed and I would now need to rejoin if I wanted to renew. Thinking I might just not.
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 03:53 |
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Every party has difficulties from time to time, some people in here are acting like this is the end of things. Have some fortitude. change from within
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