Majestic posted:

To address his question though, if, as you portray it, this is just SHY and RDN, then why has every other national green, including generally respected people like Bandt and Ludlum, signed on to the criticism?

BBJoey posted:

QM what modelling did you guys use to figure out cuts under gonski 2.0? there seems to be a lot of numbers put out by various groups but i'm not sure which ones actually reflect reality.


if the greens never negotiate, they're giving up their position as the largest bloc on the crossbench and thus the easiest way for the government to pass bills labor won't support for nothing. even if in practice they don't support much the lnp proposes, it's worth it to stay in the game in case they accidentally come up with good policy (eg the senate voting changes)

freebooter posted:

It's been fascinating to note - especially since I was overseas for most of 2014/15 - how quickly the narrative shifted from "there is no bubble, houses are affordable, you just have to work hard," to "OK there is a bubble but it's going to level off or deflate." I'm no economist, so genuine question: has there ever been a historical case of a bubble easing off rather than bursting?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/great-barrier-reef-valued-56b-deloitte/8649936
The Great Barrier Reef has a total asset value of $56 billion and is "too big to fail", according to a new report.

Deloitte Access Economics has calculated the economic, social and iconic value of the world heritage site in a report commissioned by the Great Barrier Reef Foundation.

Tourism is the biggest contributor to the total asset value making up $29 billion.

The Great Barrier Reef generates 64,000 jobs in Australia and contributes $6.4 billion dollars to the national economy, the report said.

It states the brand value, or Australians that have not yet visited the Reef but value knowing it exists, as $24 billion.

Recreational users including divers and boaters make up $3 billion.

The report does not include quantified estimates of the value traditional owners place on the Great Barrier Reef and it said governments should consider doing more to protect it.

It also references the back to back coral bleaching events which have devastated the reef and says climate change remains the most serious threat to the entire structure.

"We have already lost around 50 per cent of the corals on the GBR in the last 30 years. Severe changes in the ocean will see a continued decline ahead of us," the report states.

"Today, our Reef is under threat like never before. Two consecutive years of global coral bleaching are unprecedented, while increasingly frequent extreme weather events and water quality issues continue to affect reef health," said Dr John Schubert AO, Chair of the Great Barrier Reef Foundation.

Association of Marine Park Tourism Operators executive director Col McKenzie said the reef is crucial to the industry.

"We don't have an industry without the Barrier Reef being in good condition."

He said the negative coverage of the reef relating to the destruction caused by Cyclone Debbie earlier this year and the bleaching event is having an impact on visitor numbers.

Mr McKenzie said tourist figures are down 50 per cent in the Whitsundays and it is being felt along the Queensland coast.

The Deloitte Access Economics report will be released on Hamilton Island today.

Anidav posted:

I think because the true value of the home is unknown and auctions inflate the average suburban value of a property indefinitely. Eventually no one is gonna turn up to auctions and sellers wanna sell so prices will gradually normalise to bring the buyers back.

Anidav posted:

I wonder what the QLD Government should do to help the reef...

Cartoon posted:

Privatise it.

hooman posted:

Splitsssssssssssss

Anidav posted:

Someone just make a good socialist party please.

Anidav posted:

Sydney had a good runnnnnn... *gets eaten by communist mould*

Quantum Mechanic posted:

Anidav posted:

Someone just make a good socialist party please.

freebooter posted:

It's been fascinating to note - especially since I was overseas for most of 2014/15 - how quickly the narrative shifted from "there is no bubble, houses are affordable, you just have to work hard," to "OK there is a bubble but it's going to level off or deflate." I'm no economist, so genuine question: has there ever been a historical case of a bubble easing off rather than bursting?

Tokamak posted:

Thread has been saying that it is going to level off and deflate for over five years, and it is still growing. So by using my magical power of internet deduction, the bubble will actually explode big time.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Can we revoke the Westminster and Australia acts?

Quantum Mechanic posted:

also I should hasten to point out that it is literally in the constitution that NSW MPs can be bound to vote and campaign against decisions of the Party Room should NSW choose to do so, and anyone involved at a deep Federal level in the Greens who didn't know this is either a profound idiot or confecting outrage

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Greens senators have the right to exercise a conscience vote, but they must inform their colleagues once they have decided to do so.

Senator Rhiannon is accused of breaching party rules by deciding about six weeks ago she would campaign and vote against the legislation, without telling her colleagues.