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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Read the Flintstones comic instead because it's way better than Superhero crap. Or not, because DC loving canceled it!

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starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Plutonis posted:

Read the Flintstones comic instead because it's way better than Superhero crap. Or not, because DC loving canceled it!

read almost anything that's not DC or Marvel and you get writers and artists who are trying hard to do a good job

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Covok posted:

I will say that electing Donald Trump retroactively vindicated Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn winning the Presidency in their respective universes. If we can elect a Supervillian in real life who is currently slashing all health care benefits for everyone who isn't age 30-45 white male, why can't fictional worlds also elect Supervillians?
Reagan and Bush were supervillains who killed way more people. What Trump "vindicates" is if, like, The Condiment King became President of the DC universe.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Halloween Jack posted:

Reagan and Bush were supervillains who killed way more people. What Trump "vindicates" is if, like, The Condiment King became President of the DC universe.

Nah, cause like people didn't know going in that Reagan and Nixon were supervillains. They had high approval ratings across the aisle. It was only with time did that become apparent. Like the Captain America comic Secret Empire (the original) where it is heavily implied that the evil mastermind behind everything was Richard Nixon. It was a shock to Captain, but not a surprise that someone could elect him unknowingly.

Donald Trump made his bullshit known upfront. Grab them by the pussy, anyone? That's the case with Norman Osborn and Lex Luthor. People know 100% these guys are supervillains who have tried to kill their beloved heroes many times, killed numerous civilians, done tons of property damage, threatened the fabric of the multiverse, and tried to take over the world and still voted for them! I remember a critic complaining it was unrealistic that Lex Luthor or Norman Osborn could get elected due to all the evil poo poo they did openly, but Trump proved it was very possible to still win despite that because people are dumb.

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Covok posted:

Trust me when I say that the fact they keep a consistent style and it is passable is pretty good for the comic's industry. There is nothing like opening an issue and finding out you got that one artist who just traces porno actors in on the job that issue..

Or draws 14 year old kids as over-sexualized 20 somethings.

Within my group of friends in high school there was a joke about the worst comics industry thing ever and I joked about Rob Liefeld's Runaways. It mainly centered on him drawing all the female characters as 20 something, big breasted characters, including Molly, and then he did Teen Titans. They actually did it, albeit with a different company and slightly older kids.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Or draws 14 year old kids as over-sexualized 20 somethings.

Within my group of friends in high school there was a joke about the worst comics industry thing ever and I joked about Rob Liefeld's Runaways. It mainly centered on him drawing all the female characters as 20 something, big breasted characters, including Molly, and then he did Teen Titans. They actually did it, albeit with a different company and slightly older kids.

Wait, Rob Leifeld did not make the Runaways. Brian K. Vaughan was the writer and Adrian Alphona was the artist.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Covok posted:

Wait, Rob Leifeld did not make the Runaways. Brian K. Vaughan was the writer and Adrian Alphona was the artist.

I interpreted his joke was a hypothetical Liefeldian Runaways

e- Then again they apparently can't decide if they're still teenagers or not for the relaunched comic they're doing alongside the new show



I'm just glad Nico has her arm back

Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jun 23, 2017

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Nuns with Guns posted:

I interpreted his joke was a hypothetical Liefeldian Runaways

It's this. We were coming up with the worst aspects of the comic industry as a series or special issue.

Nuns with Guns posted:

e- Then again they apparently can't decide if they're still teenagers or not for the relaunched comic they're doing alongside the new show



I'm just glad Nico has her arm back

That's not that bad to be honest, though they do look a little old according to Marvel time.

RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 23, 2017

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
Oh, it went right over my head. Whoops!

Well, by the by, someone introduced me to this. Apparently, for Spider-verse, they decided to include EVERY interpretation of Spider-man. Every one.

Including the 1970s series and the Ultimate cartoon series now. You know, the 1970s series that gave us gifs like this:

They decided to draw them in their original art styles which had interesting outcomes.





If you're wondering why one Spider-man is talking to audience, in the TV show he's from, he frequently breaks from the 4th wall as a way of doing thought bubbles in a television for kids.

I will say that I do love how far they went with it from the pieces I've been shown.




I don't know why I shared this, but I found it out recently and was left going "wow, okay."

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
Spider-Verse was a fun crossover event if you're into Spider-Man. I liked the non-Spider-Man books that spun out of it more than regular Spidey, though. The Silk/Spider-Woman/Spider-Gwen mini crossover that happened a little while later was amazing, too, if you like any of those characters. (Read the Silk and Spider-Woman comics, they're fun, and Spider-Gwen is alright, if more angsty.)

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
Yaaaaay. 555 pages of Delta Green rough draft goodness, roughly less than HALF is lore.

:cthulhu:

https://www.patreon.com/detwiller/posts

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
What system would be best for playing as 70s Spider-Man? Bonus points for capturing the weird physics/storytelling of the time, and the ability to lose every fistfight.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


The Deleter posted:

What system would be best for playing as 70s Spider-Man? Bonus points for capturing the weird physics/storytelling of the time, and the ability to lose every fistfight.

A really tightly focused PbtA game could do it, but you'd need a better writer than most to pull it off. Another option would be Fate since as long as the GM and the players are on the same page you can 'lose' every fight in that and be only mildly inconvenienced.

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
Kick rear end and Chew Bubblegum but the bubblegum is competency.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Is there still a Paranoia thread floating around? Searching on mobile is a pain.

If not, let's talk about Paranoia. I might be running the Robot Imana-665-C mini adventure from the 25th Anniversary book because I ran it years ago and it's nice and simple. It will be a one shot while our regular GM is out of town, and I'll have premade, mostly random character sheets with a mutant power and a secret society. Most of the players might not catch on to the adversarial nature right away so I likely won't bother with the uh... jobs? Whatever they're called in the book, like the person who stops everything to force everyone to do an equipment check in the middle of a firefight.

I'll also have a stack of index cards and heavily encourage sneaky backstabs.

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

The Deleter posted:

What system would be best for playing as 70s Spider-Man? Bonus points for capturing the weird physics/storytelling of the time, and the ability to lose every fistfight.

There was a system created just for playing old cartoons, I think it was called Toon even? It had rules for one-off toy items and inconsistencies in continuity and is probably your best bet.

I don't remember if it's any good though.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Toon was pretty much just for doing old Looney Tunes stuff, not for a cartoon "show". I think you may be thinking of Cartoon Action Hour.

Scyther
Dec 29, 2010

Squirrel Girl owns and the artstyle fits the style of the writing perfectly.

Covok posted:

Oh, it went right over my head. Whoops!

Well, by the by, someone introduced me to this. Apparently, for Spider-verse, they decided to include EVERY interpretation of Spider-man. Every one.

Including the 1970s series and the Ultimate cartoon series now. You know, the 1970s series that gave us gifs like this:

They decided to draw them in their original art styles which had interesting outcomes.





If you're wondering why one Spider-man is talking to audience, in the TV show he's from, he frequently breaks from the 4th wall as a way of doing thought bubbles in a television for kids.

I will say that I do love how far they went with it from the pieces I've been shown.




I don't know why I shared this, but I found it out recently and was left going "wow, okay."

This is cool, thanks for reminding me I need to read spiderverse

Scyther fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 23, 2017

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

Evil Mastermind posted:

Toon was pretty much just for doing old Looney Tunes stuff, not for a cartoon "show". I think you may be thinking of Cartoon Action Hour.

This is it. This is the one.
Was this actually good? I remember it being so.

kaynorr
Dec 31, 2003

The Deleter posted:

What system would be best for playing as 70s Spider-Man? Bonus points for capturing the weird physics/storytelling of the time, and the ability to lose every fistfight.

Truth & Justice was pretty much made for playing Spider-Man in any reasonable incarnation. Which made it a bad fit for what my group actually did with it, but I'm confident in this endorsement.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Admiral Joeslop posted:

Is there still a Paranoia thread floating around? Searching on mobile is a pain.

If not, let's talk about Paranoia. I might be running the Robot Imana-665-C mini adventure from the 25th Anniversary book because I ran it years ago and it's nice and simple. It will be a one shot while our regular GM is out of town, and I'll have premade, mostly random character sheets with a mutant power and a secret society. Most of the players might not catch on to the adversarial nature right away so I likely won't bother with the uh... jobs? Whatever they're called in the book, like the person who stops everything to force everyone to do an equipment check in the middle of a firefight.

I'll also have a stack of index cards and heavily encourage sneaky backstabs.

I feel I failed at explaining Paranoia to my players - I put Communism as one of their skills, and one player loudly announced "I'm good at Communism" and they all let it slide.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Kwyndig posted:

A really tightly focused PbtA game could do it, but you'd need a better writer than most to pull it off. Another option would be Fate since as long as the GM and the players are on the same page you can 'lose' every fight in that and be only mildly inconvenienced.

Yeah, Fate would be alright for it. You can voluntarily concede a fight in Fate to go out on your own terms rather than getting them dictated to you by whoever knocked you out.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Admiral Joeslop posted:

Is there still a Paranoia thread floating around? Searching on mobile is a pain.

If not, let's talk about Paranoia. I might be running the Robot Imana-665-C mini adventure from the 25th Anniversary book because I ran it years ago and it's nice and simple. It will be a one shot while our regular GM is out of town, and I'll have premade, mostly random character sheets with a mutant power and a secret society. Most of the players might not catch on to the adversarial nature right away so I likely won't bother with the uh... jobs? Whatever they're called in the book, like the person who stops everything to force everyone to do an equipment check in the middle of a firefight.

I'll also have a stack of index cards and heavily encourage sneaky backstabs.

Mandatory Bonus Duties are important because it's a public character identity, and in turn gives them the chance to take certain actions without suspicion. This is especially useful if players are used to game like D&D where they have classes or such.

Otherwise, I suggest introducing the roles organically during the mission. Who am I supposed to give these grenades?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

The Deleter posted:

What system would be best for playing as 70s Spider-Man? Bonus points for capturing the weird physics/storytelling of the time, and the ability to lose every fistfight.

While I haven't looked it over in ages, I made a game to play Golden Age superheroes. Maybe fits?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Hey, I remember that a long while back, I don't know what thread, there was discussion about how certain monsters in D&D shouldn't be handled as a tactical combat encounter, but as puzzles. For example, facing the Medusa in her lair. Does anyone know of any good advice on implementing that, or games that actually do it? (But, preferably, without that being the entire game?)

I've been toying with the idea of a sort of technothriller/cyberpunk game lately with some emphasis on open warfare, and I like the idea of having special rules for a soldier with an anti-tank weapon taking on a tank. (Or, y'know, Raiden fighting a Metal Gear, or Leon Kennedy fighting a Tyrant.)

As a general rule, I abominate AD&D style design where every single situation has its own set of rules. But if it has a unified mechanic, that's detailed enough to be satisfying but not so much that it's fussy, it could be great. I admit I was pretty satisfied with the optional rules Godlike provided for dealing with stuff like bombardment and random hosed-up situations that happen in war.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Strom Cuzewon posted:

I feel I failed at explaining Paranoia to my players - I put Communism as one of their skills, and one player loudly announced "I'm good at Communism" and they all let it slide.

That's when Friend Computer pops up and sends the PC to have their brain wiped out whatever.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Strom Cuzewon posted:

I feel I failed at explaining Paranoia to my players - I put Communism as one of their skills, and one player loudly announced "I'm good at Communism" and they all let it slide.

That's one Friend Computer melts them down to goo by dropping acid on them.

Kill the communists!

Kill the mutants!

Hail Friend Computer!

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


To be fair, having to be re-instantiated from your clone is kinda like getting a nice brain scrubbing. In the sense that both can leave you wondering where the hell you screwed up this time.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Wait, did I see right on RPGnet that Stewart Wieck died? I am not finding anything else about this. Is this legit?

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


dwarf74 posted:

Wait, did I see right on RPGnet that Stewart Wieck died? I am not finding anything else about this. Is this legit?

Lots of people who know him are posting as such on Facebook. I couldn't find a news article or anything though.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
yea it's all around twitter including guys like Mearls and Onyx Path so either they're gonna be very embarrassed or it's sadly real. That's pretty sudden, did have have health issues?

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*

Halloween Jack posted:

Hey, I remember that a long while back, I don't know what thread, there was discussion about how certain monsters in D&D shouldn't be handled as a tactical combat encounter, but as puzzles. For example, facing the Medusa in her lair. Does anyone know of any good advice on implementing that, or games that actually do it? (But, preferably, without that being the entire game?)

I believe Fellowship does this with its set pieces.

Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

potatocubed posted:

I believe Fellowship does this with its set pieces.

I also remember that discussion and I included a few examples of that in Strike! (Including specifically Medusa.) I called them unfair enemies because if you go at them head-on, it'll be an unfair fight and you'll get owned. I didn't include a lot of details of how to solve the puzzle though, because that's not really how puzzles work in Strike! The players will come up with their own solutions and the rolls will tell you how well those work, rather than there being a specific fixed solution.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
Was reading over Teenagers From Outer Space just now. Reminded me of all those (likely crappy if I re-read them) manga I used to read when I was in Middle School. Series like Ranma 1/2 and Love Hina and Uresei. Got strangely nostalgic while thinking modern anime fans couldn't get what the game was emulating and likely wouldn't be able to play it like those old shows. Weird feeling, especially since I now want to re-read some of those old comics even though I bet I'll just learn how lovely they were and how bad my tastes were (and likely still is).

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Ranma and Lum the Invader are classics and gently caress you for mentioning them on the same breath as Love Hina

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

Covok posted:

Was reading over Teenagers From Outer Space just now. Reminded me of all those (likely crappy if I re-read them) manga I used to read when I was in Middle School. Series like Ranma 1/2 and Love Hina and Uresei. Got strangely nostalgic while thinking modern anime fans couldn't get what the game was emulating and likely wouldn't be able to play it like those old shows. Weird feeling, especially since I now want to re-read some of those old comics even though I bet I'll just learn how lovely they were and how bad my tastes were (and likely still is).

Yeah, I remember burning out on Ranma #1/2's repetition when I was young. I can't imagine it got any fresher, but I've always been tempted to go back through it anyway. (Also, its gender politics are dated at the time, and... now... yeah.)

But for the longest time, the "wacky teen harem!" anime shows pretty much defined anime for a lot of western Anime hobbyists for a long time.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Plutonis posted:

Ranma and Lum the Invader are classics and gently caress you for mentioning them on the same breath as Love Hina

:shrug:

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Yeah, I remember burning out on Ranma #1/2's repetition when I was young. I can't imagine it got any fresher, but I've always been tempted to go back through it anyway. (Also, its gender politics are dated at the time, and... now... yeah.)

But for the longest time, the "wacky teen harem!" anime shows pretty much defined anime for a lot of western Anime hobbyists for a long time.

Gundam and DBZ were also huge defining factors. Then Evanglion came along and redifined what most people associate with anime. I also remember Cowboy Bebop doing a huge job and changing perceptions.

But yeah for a long time it was just wacky Harem animes. It was just the standard. I think I remember hearing that the genre was just popular in Japan in the 80s and 90s because of works like Love Hina, Ursei, and Tenchi Muyo. So more of those came over during the 80s and 90s.

gently caress, Tenchi Muyo aired on Toonami! All of the series. Even the ones you probably should not air to kids. You know like the one where there is an entire episode where they were all naked. Which they awkwardly changed into bathing suits. I remember wondering why they were so embarrassed about being seeing their bathing suit. Didn't know it was supposed to be their birthday suit.

Nowadays it's all Moe Isn't it? Or is that not a thing anymore?

Also yeah Ranma 1/2 is probably pretty dated in it gender depictions. That's not even to get into its stances on homosexuality and transgenderism. Oh and Happosai is pretty much a loving trigger warning by today's standards. It was pretty hosed up back then too but being a pissant little middle school student I probably didn't notice.

Still those series did have a charm to them. The closest series I found in the modern day to the feeling of one of those old ones is "The truth is I am...".

Covok fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 26, 2017

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Is there an application that would let you split off individual PDF pages into their own PDFs, merge separate PDFs into single PDFs, and rearrange the pages on a PDF?

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
Wow, that made me remember my old copy of TFOS too. I remember thinking how blatantly it was based on Lum without actually mentioning it.. but then had that weird list of episodes as the sample adventures which didn't feel like Anime at all. How did it tie into Ranma? The boy/girl gun maybe?

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gnapo
Mar 8, 2014

gradenko_2000 posted:

Is there an application that would let you split off individual PDF pages into their own PDFs, merge separate PDFs into single PDFs, and rearrange the pages on a PDF?

I use the PDF-printer that's bundled with Foxit (e.g. print only pages 3,5,10-12,1) and online PDF mergers (like here or here) for this.

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