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Graylien posted:Kanon and Shannon referred to a 'father' that created them when discussing the duel, could be Kinzo, but unlikely imo. Could be cliff baby.
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ZiegeDame posted:Could be cliff baby. Yeah, that's the way I'm thinking. It looks like we had all the info for the howdunnit in the first game, but seeing as cliffbaby didn't show up till now the whydunnit was unsolvable. (Can we get a confirmation on this? Or is this another ahaha.wav moment?)
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ZiegeDame posted:Could be cliff baby. I've been debating this. At this point the only candidates are Battler and Shannon. I still favor Battler, for two reasons. He's closer to the right age (one year off instead of three) and there's something about his birth that isn't known to him or Kyrie. If Kyrie is his birth mother she'd probably know (depending how deep you want to go into soap opera land) and Rudolf probably would have told that rather than have his only child walk out on him. Frankly, though, S=K shakes my belief that this type of reasoning will work. I expect Shannon will have to have her own shocking revelation about her parents.
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BurningStone posted:I've been debating this. At this point the only candidates are Battler and Shannon. I still favor Battler, for two reasons. He's closer to the right age (one year off instead of three) and there's something about his birth that isn't known to him or Kyrie. If Kyrie is his birth mother she'd probably know (depending how deep you want to go into soap opera land) and Rudolf probably would have told that rather than have his only child walk out on him. Frankly, though, S=K shakes my belief that this type of reasoning will work. I expect Shannon will have to have her own shocking revelation about her parents. I'll point out that the thing regarding Battler is something Ange knew. Why that is the case is a different question.
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So, who threw popcorn at Dlanor? Lambdadelta? And just how bad at fighting is she that popcorn defeats her? Maybe witch popcorn is 20 feet wide, weights 7 tons, and is mostly made of moving chainsaws.
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Lambdadelta's chair has a pull-string to release thousands of gallons of popcorn into the courtroom, but I think Virgilia was the one who pulled it while Dlanor was standing under where it it all funnels.
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I want Beatrice to kick everyone's asses. All of the asses. She can even kick my rear end. Beatrice, please....!
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EagerSleeper posted:I want Beatrice to kick everyone's asses. All of the asses. She can even kick my rear end. Beatrice, please....!
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Qrr posted:So, who threw popcorn at Dlanor? Lambdadelta? And just how bad at fighting is she that popcorn defeats her? I was picturing, like, the entire bucket of popcorn. It would be enough to deflect one sword blow, which is all that's required.
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idonotlikepeas posted:I was picturing, like, the entire bucket of popcorn. It would be enough to deflect one sword blow, which is all that's required. Maybe she just made absolutely certain the piece of popcorn would make Dlanor miss.
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Forgall posted:OH DESIRE Please don't kinkshame.
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EagerSleeper posted:Please don't kinkshame. What if kinkshaming is their kink?
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havenwaters posted:What if kinkshaming is their kink? Truly a ethical dilemma worthy of a demon's game. I like it. edit: the true answer is to post more about Beatrice kicking my rear end. Then everyone is happy. EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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EagerSleeper posted:Truly a ethical dilemma worthy of a demon's game. I like it. Meta levels of kink shaming is probably Ronove's thing.
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The true title of this episode, The Kinkshaming of the Golden Witch
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OkayAlopex posted:The true title of this episode, The Kinkshaming of the Golden Witch Yeah, I think we can call this mystery solved! Without love, kink cannot be seen. 
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prof can you just post the next update already? jesus.
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oath2order posted:prof can you just post the next update already? jesus. Please, I get that some folks are thirsty but others are just drowning.
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I guess I shitposted too hard. 
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EagerSleeper posted:I guess I shitposted too hard. Never doubt your shitposting. Otherwise, what was the point of shitposting in the first place?
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bman in 2288 posted:Never doubt your shitposting. Otherwise, what was the point of shitposting in the first place? That's actually a really good point. Thank you, friend.
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EagerSleeper posted:That's actually a really good point. Thank you, friend. You're welcome, buddy. After all, without love, it cannot be seen, right?
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 That was...  "Ooh, Zepar! What's this?! What does it mean?!" "This is... a request for a duel!! If she picks up the glove, it means she's accepted!" "And if she doesn't, the Chiesters will shoot? Why should she pick it up?!" "She doesn't have to. However, we and the demon attendants would probably spread the word far and wide that she dishonorably ran away from a duel...!!" BGM: Life Beatrice waited firmly and composedly. If Erika just kicked it away... Then that very instant, the Chiesters would probably all fire at once, turning her into a golden embroidery. So, Erika did not have to pick it up. However, she could not afford to be afraid of picking it up. After all, she was the true victor, who had defeated Battler's closed room trick and logic. If she was the victor, she should have nothing to fear. So, if she was afraid of doing it, it would prove that she still felt a tinge of doubt about her victory...   "That would probably liven up your reception. However, you will pick it up." "Oh? And why is that...?" "...I've brought a wonderful gift just perfect for you. You want to know what that is. Therefore, you'll pick it up." "Not interested. Goodbye." "...You'll pick it up. I know... that you want to hear about the closed room I've brought you... which, unlike that trivial guest room of Battler's, is simple, basic... and absolutely cannot be solved." "...A closed room... that absolutely... cannot be solved...?" "...I know you want to accept my challenge. After all..." "..." "You are-" BGM: None Erika threw off her wedding dress as though it was a cape... Yes. Before she is a bride or a piece or a witch... She is one thing first and foremost-  BGM: Ruriair  "If you pick that glove up, I will prove that I have fixed it in my fight against you." "..." "..." "<Good>!!"Ooooooooohhh!! The cathedral was filled with chatter. Erika... had picked up the glove. A duel! A duel!! The cathedral was wrapped in a bizarre excitement. At Erika's nod, Dlanor pushed the crowd away, leaving the pair alone. People were permitted to witness this duel. However, no one would be allowed to hinder it in any way...!  "...Uuughhh..."  "H, h... h... how...?" "I'm going to save you now. Please endure just a little longer..."Beato's resolute expression returned, and she grinned boldly, looking down on Erika. Ah, there can be no doubt... That's the expression worn only by the Golden Witch, the presence of the master of closed rooms.   Video: Battler's EscapeBGM: Battlefield The raindrops never touched him, he made no splashes in the countless puddles, his feet left no tracks in the mud. That rushing figure... was Kanon... Then, he ran up the stairs, to the entrance of the mansion. He did not slow down in the slightest to open the door. He ran straight at it as though trying to break through, and leapt into it...! Though the door was shut, even that couldn't stop Kanon. He slipped through the door, fell into the entranceway, and slowly stood up. His body wasn't even wet. And, as he recalled those nostalgic days spent serving the Ushiromiya family, which would never come again, he ran once more. He was heading for Battler's guest room. He ran past the servant room, through the entrance hall, and past the door to the parlor. Then, the doors to the kitchen and the dining hall came into sight... All of it brings back fond memories.  However, that man wasn't rigid all the time. When the family was out of sight and he didn't have to preserve that air of majesty, his face could turn unbelievably childish, and he would sometimes ask me to take part in strange pranks. The Master let me shoot lots of guns, didn't he... That... was pretty fun.  He must have gotten the impression that the Master bullied me a lot. Whenever I was the only one around, he would talk to me in a very familiar way, almost as if he was a classmate of mine. I sort of regret that I held back and never did anything but nod in return...  Ever since some rumor went around saying that she was strict on female servants but soft towards male servants, I get the feeling she viewed me as an enemy. However, she was also a woman to be pitied. When I've seen her alone, I've noticed her shoulders sag with the pain many times. There were a lot of servants, weren't there... Some lasted a short while, others stayed a long time.  I am both grateful and resentful towards him over many things. They all mix together, cancel out, and I end up with a neutral emotion. In that case, Kumasawa-san could probably be called my mother. She's helped me out many times. I've always wanted to repay her someday, and now I've lost that chance for all time.  Without her, I wouldn't have been able to be me. Thanks for teaching me that the ocean is blue...  Still, when I complimented his stew, he would sometimes turn red and tell me there was enough for seconds. I didn't dislike that part of him. I wonder why such a strong memory popped up during the instant I ran past the dining hall... And then... my memories of Jessica.  I think those were the first words she spoke to me. Come to think about it, she was probably interested in me ever since then. I really did... have enough time to build up a love that wouldn't lose to George-sama and Shannon's. But... since I could only see the gray sea, I wasted almost all of that time. What does she like about me? What do I like about her? I get the feeling we never really made that clear. No, she told me. We should have stayed together longer to eventually find that out. The reasons for love could be dealt with later. It took me... far too long... to realize that. Now, I think I can accept it. I know why Shannon won the duel. God must have been watching. You had so much more courage than I did, and God didn't abandon you...  It was Battler. He was lying just outside the guest room, a chain tied to his neck. He had probably struggled to do something with the chain lock from the outside until he lost consciousness... His fingernails on both hands had been torn off, and they were stained with blood. I could tell at a glance just how hard he had tried until the final moment when his heart had died. The collar binding him wouldn't disappear unless the chain lock was set.  BGM: Loreley  "...ah..."Battler responded faintly. He probably hadn't even imagined that help would come to this eternal closed room. He was so scared that this might be an auditory hallucination brought about by his fleeting delusion... that he couldn't let himself open his eyes easily... Kanon grabbed Battler by the arms and dragged him into the room...  The windows had been brutally shattered, and the wind and rain had made its way into the room. All kinds of tools and furniture lay broken there. However, Battler hadn't smashed them out of rage. The curtain had been removed, torn, and twisted up into a bundle. He had probably used trial and error to see if that could be used as a rope for some trick. He had tried using everything in the room, exploring all possible options of escape. The traces could be seen throughout the room, and even in the bathroom. The empty bathtub was stained with just a bit of blood, and the nippers lay there on the bottom. To protect this tale, he had nearly been prepared to accept Bernkastel's brutal method of escape... and cut himself into pieces... while washing himself down the drain. He was even willing to tear apart his own body. To protect the game Beato had entrusted him with, he had probably questioned himself over and over in this bathtub, wondering if there was any other way out. ...By the clock of the game world, not even a single day had passed. However, just how many years had that lasted in the closed room of the logic error? When faced with an endless span of time, any way of ending it, no matter how cruel, is tempting. However, he had rejected that until the very end. And... even in the last moment when his heart died, he had wanted so much to show his iron will to escape from this closed room... that he had chosen to fall here in the corridor, with the chain still around his neck...  "...Battler-sama. It's Kanon. Please, come to your senses..."He wiped Battler's face with a towel wetted in the sink. In response to that cold sensation, Battler's heart slowly started beating again...   "Yes, it's me, Kanon. You did well... to endure until today." "Heh... heheh... Looks like... I slept in... just a little too... much..."Battler realized that the feel of the towel on his neck meant that the cursed collar and chain were gone.  "There's no longer anything binding you here. Come on. Please, head back quickly." "...B, but... if I unset that chain lock, that chain will come back..." "Don't worry. No longer does any chain exist to bind you, Battler-sama. I will remain here." "What... did you say...?"By now, Battler knew the terror of this endless closed room better than anyone else. So, he was more filled with shock than happiness... shock at the determination of the one who was willing to become the new prisoner...  "I will be fine. There is no need to worry." "...B, but..." "Battler-sama, isn't there still something you have to do...?" "...I... I..." His stern words and gaze... shot straight through Battler. "...Are... you sure?" "Yes. That will be fine. This way, I can repay my debt from back then." "...Debt? Do you owe me something?" "It isn't a debt I have with you, Battler-sama. It's okay, so go. I don't like keeping debts. Go, quickly. You must not keep her waiting now. So, quickly."Battler couldn't argue back anymore. He silently bowed his head, unset the chain, and opened the door. Kanon had remained in the room, so no chain appeared about Battler's neck. He could leave this closed room just by running out... The happy-sounding voices that he had heard at the far end of the corridor... had been replaced with an excited chatter. There must have been some sort of strange disturbance going on. As Kanon went out into the corridor to see me off, the merciless collar and chain had already captured their new prisoner. He would remain inside this endless closed room... in Battler's place...  "...Kanon-kun. I feel the same." "About what?" "I... don't like keeping debts. I'll definitely repay you. And I'll do it soon." "...I hope I can count on that... Go on. Run. Run to the one you love. And please, never get lost again...!!"Battler would not turn around any longer. He ran with everything he had. He ran out into the corridor, whose warmth he had cursed so many times. That cursed chain no longer bound him. He ran to the very end of the corridor, beyond the light...  BGM: My Dear Now, he only had to worry about his own job. Stay in this room... and fix the error in logic. "...Now, I set the chain lock..."As soon as he set it, the chain disappeared from his neck. Then, if he hid in the one place Erika hadn't checked... The broken logic would be fixed... The closet door opened slowly. It was well-oiled, and opened without a sound. It was cramped inside, and dark. This tiny space... is the final place for me. As long as I remain hidden in here, the logic will be preserved.  "...That's an easy job. Easier than caring for the roses."Kanon went in it... and closed the double doors from the inside. As soon as he did, a single small gold butterfly appeared... melted into the darkness of the closet, and vanished. It was a sign that the logic had been fixed. The witch's game had already stopped, and the clock of the world of the pieces would never tick again. So, for all eternity, no one... would come to save him from this place.  The power of the gold butterfly brooch taught me about love. In the third game, it gave me some quiet time alone with Jessica. I get the feeling it did many other small things for me. At any rate, now I've paid back all of my debts. Now, all of my debts are...  That's okay, isn't it, Jessica...? I liked that one. Can I accept that as a present...? ...You want me to dub over it and hand it back...? Ha, hahahahahaha... Slowly, Kanon's body began to melt... into a cloud of gold butterflies... And, after the inside of the cramped, dark closet glittered like a golden planetarium, it faded away like the light of fireflies, and was painted over with a pitch blackness. For all eternity...  BGM: Life On the red carpet, standing across from each other, were Beato and Erika. In their hands... were the pistols given to them by Zepar and Furfur.  "Flintlocks, are they? How old-fashioned." "Pay it no mind. Demons are very particular about style."Its form was similar to an actual old-fashioned gun, but this was, of course, a demon's gun. This wasn't a gun that would propel a lead bullet with an explosion caused by gunpowder. Like the pistols used in the duel between Shannon and Kanon, whose bullets had contained a magic that would always kill, these pistols also had bullets that were not made of lead...   "There's no need to worry. She'll win easily, and you'll have to deal with her insults again, Lia." "When this match is over, we should ask to be paid every now and then. When the fight is finished with, I would like to take a trip down to the Caribbean sometime." "Enough talk about 'when the fight is over'... That's an ill-omen before a duel." "Beato! Take this seriously!! This is no time to be standing around laughing!" "Why is Riiche relaxed and Lia tense? Come on."   """Beatrice-sama, you can do it!!""" "...Beatrice-sama is at a disadvantage in this duel." "Why...?!" "...Normally, witches can win by numbers. However, since the game has been suspended, she has nothing on her side except 'the riddle of Battler-sama's guest room." "If Erika can just strike a blue wedge through that one riddle, it'll mean that she's solved everything!!" "They can win. I believe in Beatrice-sama... and Battler-sama... our two masters...!"  "Thanks." "...?" "For once, it feels as though our chances for winning are 50/50. So I'd like to thank you beforehand." "It is simply my JOB. There is no need to thank ME." "...In the last game, when you protected me after I lost pathetically, I was happy. That was the first time in my life that anyone has ever protected me. Even my master has never done so. All she has given me is a way to negate my pain by exposing the truth to others, and causing them just as much pain." "...Please, forgive my ARROGANCE. I felt that I needed to protect YOU. As soon as I realized what a frail truth you live by... and how much you have been tortured by the violence of a more plausible mixture of truth and lies, I wanted to protect YOU." "Thank you. It wasn't for long, but you were a wonderful partner." "And I will remain SO." "...You're right. Once we've defeated her, let's make tons of mysteries on this island together. I'll have you solve them, and tease you as we play. How does that sound?" "...Sounds INTERESTING. I am looking forward to your CHALLENGE." "Ah, sorry, that's a lie. I take it back. That'd be one of those loser flags, wouldn't it?" "Pft-"  When the two demons clapped their hands, the duelists instantly returned to their bold, tense smiles. "The bullets within those magic guns are not lead!" "They are bullets of red and blue truth for the battle between mystery and fantasy!!" "As long as you possess truth, your bullets are endless!" "However, being hit by a single one means instant death!" ""Are you both prepared?!"" "Certainly." "Of course." ""Lady Lambdadelta, the great and powerful Witch of Certainty and member of the glorious Senate!! Please come forward!! Will you swear to oversee this duel?!!"" "Of course. I swear it."The crowd split, and Lambda walked forward with Bernkastel by her side. She looked between the faces of the two duelists. Then, she took out an envelope with the seal of the One-winged Eagle... and lifted it high.   "'The chain lock is still set! And without any contradictions with any red truth made up to this point!'"*chatter*chatter*chatter*...!! The many goat attendants knew the details of Battler's closed room. They realized how difficult it was. And, though fiery debates had swept across the crowd during the reception, none had been able to find an answer. And now... it was clear that Beatrice had already reached one.  "Therefore, this duel is legitimate. It will center around one, single point. The closed room of Battler's guest room! Battler disappeared from within a closed room sealed by a chain lock!" "Therefore, Erika has been armed with the blue truth. Beatrice has been armed with the red truth to counter back. The duel will continue until one side is victorious!!" "Splendid." "Perfect." "OK. Well then, Beato. Present your new, revised tale and riddle to Erika." "Kanon used magic, to escape from the cousins' room without breaking the seals. He reached the guest room and used magic to let Battler escape, from that closed room." "...Hmph, what a foolish tale." "Very well. Erika, is there anything you wish to confirm?" "Repeat it. 'The one who rescued Battler was, without a doubt, Kanon.'" "Repeat it. 'Battler and Kanon are different people.'" "I'll say it. Battler and Kanon are different people." "...Hmph. That's enough." "Erika, are you done confirming things?" "That was all I needed. I've already decided how to fight." "OK! Let both sides load their bullets...!!" There was no rule saying that she had to turn away, but she didn't want her expression to be read. Or, it might have been because she couldn't stand the tension of looking at Beato's bold smile. Beato had already finished loading her red truth. She waited for Erika to finish while calmly puffing on her pipe. Then, she looked at Battler, who sat on the throne of the territory lord, right next to the two witches who sat as witnesses to this duel. Battler's consciousness was still hazy. However, he apparently understood that Beato had come to duel for his sake, so that he could be saved. It was all he could do to just look at Beato with those sluggish eyes, but a flood of emotions passed between them. There was no need for words. A look was enough for them now. Erika closed her eyes tightly, her finger still up against the barrel. At that moment, her stunning powers of concentration made all the distractions of the outside world disappear. ...<Good>. 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Kanon... Have I said that the soundtrack is shocking good for this episode? Because it is shocking good, this track, and the thing is, soundtrack as a whole hasn't really dipped below "pretty great" ever; I mean, I've played some VNs and generally speaking they all generally have one or two bangers or pieces that fit the theme well, but this soundtrack got hit after hit after hit... I don't suppose it's available anywhere commercially? I am very hype.
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resurgam40 posted:Kanon... There is no official complete OST for unineko. However, there are a number of albums divided up by composer, though even all of those is nothing close to complete, and would be fairly tough to export besides.
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resurgam40 posted:I don't suppose it's available anywhere commercially? You could buy EP4 and EP8, the ogg files are just sitting there in the BGM directories unencrypted. There's no other "compilation" release or anything, the individual artists have released almost all of the tracks on their own separate releases over the years but those albums are going to be pretty much impossible to track down and buy. If you want them as FLAC rips though, a torrent does exist but even that is missing a handful of tracks.
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It just occurred to me that because the game has been suspended, Erika can't even open the closet and see who is in there. A closed room that absolutely cannot be solved indeed. e: It also occurs to me that this riddle is easy to solve if you accept S=K, and Erika was wasn't paying attention to that part of the story. But she was in the same room as Kanon and Shannon in Episode 5 when she was The Detective, so she'd have to know Kanon doesn't have a physical body to himself, even if she didn't share that with the reader. (The Detective only has to share evidence if she's going to use it to solve the case  .)I poured over those scenes looking for solid proof against S=K, but Shannon and Kanon don't have a lot of lines there, and when Kanon speaks the only person to respond directly to him is Shannon, and not in a way that would be totally confusing to anyone who didn't hear what Kanon said. e2: it kinda sounds like Kanon was created by Beatrice ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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I feel vaguely discomforted by the fact that she already brought up "Battler and Kanon are not the same person". That's not a particularly good start to that duel when the first card is exposed.DentD posted:
Excuse me, that's Magical Golden Chef Gohda to you.
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I think that Erika knows about S=K (and that it's still ridiculous). Why else would she ask Battler not to specify exactly who was in the room with Kanon? She could have specified the 6 people in there and then asked for red that there was no one else on the island, but she didn't. On the other hand, she is bad at her job. Maybe she'll claim Kinzo opened the closed room.
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resurgam40 posted:Have I said that the soundtrack is shocking good for this episode? Because it is shocking good, this track, and the thing is, soundtrack as a whole hasn't really dipped below "pretty great" ever; I mean, I've played some VNs and generally speaking they all generally have one or two bangers or pieces that fit the theme well, but this soundtrack got hit after hit after hit... I don't suppose it's available anywhere commercially? Just like to point out that this is the only scene in the story where "Battlefield" plays. Yeah, this game has music made for single scenes. Its OST is really good. ZiegeDame posted:It just occurred to me that because the game has been suspended, Erika can't even open the closet and see who is in there. A closed room that absolutely cannot be solved indeed Erika can always say "Kanon is in the Closet" in blue. Well, she could, if we didn't just see him magically vanish from said closet.
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Dr Pepper posted:Erika can always say "Kanon is in the Closet" in blue. But how does that disprove the existence of witches?
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If Erika says that Kanon is in the closet, then she has to explain how he got out. Which you apparently can't explain without losing the argument in the first place.
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