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Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Dongicus posted:

mary sue is a gendered insult

The distaff counterpart is Marty Stu but whatever..

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Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


AttitudeAdjuster posted:

Is there a Star Wars equivalent of Godwin's law?

Yeah, it's called "Who the gently caress was even talking about Rey, I was responding to an assertion about Luke that I disagreed with."

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Terrible Opinions posted:

Sorry I forgot to include professionally published, but you are absolutely correct. Several characters exist solely to praise him, he's great at everything, every obstacle is only created by people not trusting in Johnny being perfect.

Does Knuckles from the Legend of the Ten Elemental Masters count?

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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Can we talk about how Godwin's Law is actually the dumbest thing ever

I mean, it makes sense in Hitler Ate Sugar contexts, but Trump ran on a really similar platform to Hitler and Mussolini - restoring a country to it's former glory. I'm a little tired of wisecracking deadpool fans going "EEHHHH GODWIN'S LAW" whenever you make a comparison between the two.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Jim actually didn't a really great couple of videos on shadier Side of games journalism. First was on Brash Games which was paying its writers in exposure and then removing their names from the by lines when they quit. Which was then followed up by how casino sites advertise on small gaming sites by tricking the google search althorithims.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

The guy got extremely lucky in the A New Hope and had Obi-Wan guiding him the entire time and Han had to bail him out in the Leia Rescue (Leia out of the three heroes being the most competent interestingly) and at the end by blowing up the Death Star.

In the Empire Strikes Back he narrowly survived the battle of Hoth wrecking his ship in the process, messed up his training with Yoda and ran off to save his friends and failed leading to Han being frozen in Carbonite and losing a duel with Vader losing his hand.

Only in Return of the Jedi did he approach the broken Mary Sue level with the rescuing of Han from Jabba and even then he had his team backing him up. At the end he hosed up again and nearly succumbed to the Dark Side and only really won because Vader had enough and bodyslammed the Emperor down the exhaust pipe.

Rey on the other hand is like a video game character come to life and succeeds in becoming a Jedi in a couple of days and never fucks up which makes for a boring protagonist.

Rouge One is a better film than the Force Awakens because at least Jyn is an actual character and not just a audience surrogate for little kids.

He does not just "get lucky," he uses space magic that he just learned about to make a shot that even the best pilot couldn't make, flying a space ship with only a single throwaway line to explain how he knows how to do it at all. He doesn't just narrowly escape the battle of hoth, he takes down an AT-AT pretty much single handedly. He goes toe to toe with Darth Vader in a fight in Jedi despite yoda never training him with a light saber.

yeah yeah, :goonsay: I'm done now

aware of dog fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jun 26, 2017

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009
i feel like im partially responsible for the thread getting consumed by star wars once more (im pretty sure we all agree that the movie wasn't great but that those applying ridiculous standards to the movie are hilariously dumb)

i've been watching through ol' stefan molyneux, and he's just so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wCZPTSo1_U

a grown man's response to a children's cartoon posted:

Young women so often mistake their sexual appeal for personal value, since it is infinitely easier to giggle and surf the tsunami of male desires than it is to struggle for a life of virtue and meaning. A young woman can create an invention, for which she can take enormous credit -- male sexual desire is a force of nature that aims at the wombs of fertile young women, for which no young women can take credit. A young woman is born with the eggs the man's sperm wants to get at; it is nothing she has earned. It is a mere reproductive aristocracy,
stefan no this is a children's film what are you doing

red pill overload posted:

of no philosophical or personal value whatsoever, unless we are willing to grant lady frogs medals of virtue for getting hundreds of eggs coated in male sperm. This is the magic that is really occurring in the movie. The magic of foolish young women who imagine that the world revolves around their wonderful personalities, when it really just revolves around their accidental eggs.

This is the real reason why we see fewer cinematic women struggling to achieve excellence and value through years of hard work -- because they are born with eggs, and so have value, at least while they are young. They imagine that their personalities are all kinds of wonderful, but their wonder dies as their eggs die, leaving them bewildered and enraged, and unable to admit that they squandered the golden magic of their accidental inheritance on personal vanity and easy sex
steafan please the movie didnt even have eggs, where is this coming from. im not sure if the characters even ate food

"the eternal sunshine of a broken brain posted:

Why does Anna "fall in love" with Hans? Because he is good looking, and obviously of high status -- she first runs into his very expensive horse -- the equivalent of a Ferrari in the mythical kingdom -- and then sees his costly clothing and perfect hair. Men are turned on by nudity, because it signals fertility; women are turned on by expensive clothes and cars, because they signal excess resources, which they can milk in order to produce milk for their children.

Viewed another way, why does Anna not fall in love with Kristoff the mountain man? Why does he get "friend zoned," even though he is good looking, saves her life several times, and is willing to push back against her vanity madness -- he is shocked that she wants to marry a man she just met. This is a cliché of romantic comedies -- the woman is in pursuit of a really hot guy, is helped by a beta-male friend, who she then falls in love with at the end of the movie.
thanks, feminism. i guess now society is going to be overrun by beta males & their inferior genes while the true alphas w/ their expensive horses (ferraris) will not be able to coat as many fertile eggs w/ their sperm. truly society is doomed

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Does Knuckles from the Legend of the Ten Elemental Masters count?
shut the gently caress up knuckles is a nuanced and complex character. if you had fought w/ him and Sonic Speed in the interstellar wars you would know this

crime weed fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jun 26, 2017

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


aware of dog posted:

yeah yeah, :goonsay: I'm done now


Yeah, because back then weilding a lightsaber was an extension of using the Force, not ~*Fighting Styles*~.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

landgrabber posted:

Can we talk about how Godwin's Law is actually the dumbest thing ever

I mean, it makes sense in Hitler Ate Sugar contexts, but Trump ran on a really similar platform to Hitler and Mussolini - restoring a country to it's former glory. I'm a little tired of wisecracking deadpool fans going "EEHHHH GODWIN'S LAW" whenever you make a comparison between the two.

The man the law's named after originally coined the adage because of his annoyance that any little thing would be compared to Hitler or the Nazis. He's specifically said that because of that when someone like Trump comes along the comparison has completely lost all notability and just becomes as hollow as yelling "he's a dick" for how much it makes people bat an eyelid.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Does Knuckles from the Legend of the Ten Elemental Masters count?



no, Ulillillia's self insert in that story is Ivan, the useless middle school boy

Knuckles and Speed exist because Uli can only think of powerful characters in terms of "am i powerful enough to trivialize any obstacle i come across? if not, then i am not powerful enough and need to grind xp some more"

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

aware of dog posted:

He does not just "get lucky," he uses space magic that he just learned about to make a shot that even the best pilot couldn't make, flying a space ship with only a single throwaway line to explain how he knows how to do it at all. He doesn't just narrowly escape the battle of hoth, he takes down an AT-AT pretty much single handedly. He goes toe to toe with Darth Vader in a fight in Jedi despite yoda never training him with a light saber.

yeah yeah, :goonsay: I'm done now

I havent slept due to a migraine so I might be forgetting details

Obi Wan guided him in making the shot and made Luke use his intuition/force magic foresight to make the shot.

I'm sure it was referenced in a line about how Luke was a good pilot on Tatooine flying his Skyhopper which had similar controls to a X-Wing which made him a ace pilot.

Sure he took down a AT-AT by himself but he nearly killed himself doing that and had to run across a battlefield avoiding being stomped on by AT-AT's and being shot to escape in his X-Wing.

I'm pretty sure Vader wasn't going all-out in their lightsaber battle as he was trying to capture Luke to make him his new apprentice (If Vader wanted to kill Luke right there and then he could of just Force Choked him)

Oh yeah I forgot he nearly got killed by a Yeti right at the start of Empire Strikes Back and had to be bailed out by Han again

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Kjoery posted:

Frozen stuff

This is the one where he pretended to post in the comments as a self-described "attractive young woman" who just happened to agree with himself.

https://imgur.com/tk6yyvN

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
Watching Sargon on Joe Rogan. Seems like a reasonable guy.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrxyy54kVE

Lol at this shitshow of a video

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

AttitudeAdjuster posted:

Is there a Star Wars equivalent of Godwin's law?
The bit where they have bad guys dressed as literal Nazis maybe.

Kjoery posted:

i've been watching through ol' stefan molyneux, and he's just so good
:stonkhat:
Women have no value, but their eggs are valuable, which is why men will put their sperms in a big horse and cover a frog. Therefore libertarianism.

Tesseraction posted:

The man the law's named after originally coined the adage because of his annoyance that any little thing would be compared to Hitler or the Nazis. He's specifically said that because of that when someone like Trump comes along the comparison has completely lost all notability and just becomes as hollow as yelling "he's a dick" for how much it makes people bat an eyelid.
You just need to compare him to more obscure dictators.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
sorry but someone needs to compress that dude horizontally a few inches and shave off his renfest hair before i can take him seriously. maybe sharpen his zweihander so he can do it himself, or he can pawn some of the decorative antlers or 90's style fake plants on his sci fi novel storage shelf to pay a barber

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

:stonkhat:
Women have no value, but their eggs are valuable, which is why men will put their sperms in a big horse and cover a frog. Therefore libertarianism.
is this obsession with eggs common among MRAs, or is Stefan just a special kind of crazy?

Zikan posted:

This is the one where he pretended to post in the comments as a self-described "attractive young woman" who just happened to agree with himself.

https://imgur.com/tk6yyvN
:stare:

crime weed fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 26, 2017

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

boner confessor posted:

sorry but someone needs to compress that dude horizontally a few inches and shave off his renfest hair before i can take him seriously. maybe sharpen his zweihander so he can do it himself, or he can pawn some of the decorative antlers or 90's style fake plants on his sci fi novel storage shelf to pay a barber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiJLu--N95c

How about now?

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
want to start a betting pool about whether he bought those glasses or his mom did

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Why isn't this man wearing a shirt?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Same. The problem with Rey isn't that she's a Mary Sue (she's not), it's just that I think there's nothing compelling about her story. Is she gonna train with Luke and get better? Who gives a poo poo, she's already good enough to beat her darkside counterpart. Is she going to redeem Kylo Ren? I have enough trouble with Darth Vader's redemption, and Ren's body count is even higher already.

I'd be shocked if they aren't building up to her becoming the antagonist of the third movie.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Rey on the other hand is like a video game character come to life and succeeds in becoming a Jedi in a couple of days and never fucks up which makes for a boring protagonist.

Rouge One is a better film than the Force Awakens because at least Jyn is an actual character and not just a audience surrogate for little kids.
Except all Rey does it use the force suggestion ability once and battle a whiny kid with lightsabers to a draw. How is that "like a video game character".

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Rey on the other hand is like a video game character come to life and succeeds in becoming a Jedi in a couple of days and never fucks up which makes for a boring protagonist.

There's lots of foreshadowing that she had jedi training as a kid and had her memories force... hidden? Covered? An unreliable protagonist is at least sort of not normal for a blockbuster, so that's kind of neat at least.

I liked rogue one a lot better, though. I liked Jyn and thought the character development was worlds better than TFA, mainly because most of it didn't have to be told directly to us by other characters.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010




I won't defend FDR or the Allies on some of their actions during the war but destroying the German war machine like their factories and stuff? FDR shouldn't have done that because it would make Jewish slaves starve? I...what?

And that entire title is the epitome of "poisoning the well" isn't it? "Cousin-loving" what the gently caress. Who the hell cares about that?

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

NikkolasKing posted:

"Cousin-loving" what the gently caress. Who the hell cares about that?

with this dude it is DEFINITELY sour grapes

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

NikkolasKing posted:

I won't defend FDR or the Allies on some of their actions during the war but destroying the German war machine like their factories and stuff? FDR shouldn't have done that because it would make Jewish slaves starve? I...what?

And that entire title is the epitome of "poisoning the well" isn't it? "Cousin-loving" what the gently caress. Who the hell cares about that?
honestly, i don't think you need to worry about poisioning the well with a viewerbase of this:



the shirtless trench coat was a sign. i do wish he'd wear a hat to complete the look, though

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

rkajdi posted:

Have you thought about Jim Sterling/Jimquisition? He only does videogame stuff, but he's pretty much on the SJW (as in, not being an rear end in a top hat to minorities) boat.

Sterling is interesting because he used to have quite a lot of contempt towards the, for lack of a better term, SJW crowd but then changed his views.

Also if we're still talking about Mary Sues; the titular character in Good Will Hunting is the most concentrated Mary Sue I've ever seen in a mainstream movie, but nobody ever mentions that.

khwarezm fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jun 26, 2017

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

khwarezm posted:

Sterling is interesting because he used to have quite a lot of contempt towards the, for lack of a better term, SJW crowd but then changed his views.

Also if we're still talking about Mary Sues; the titular character in Good Will Hunting is the most concentrated Mary Sue I've ever seen in a mainstream movie, but nobody ever mentions that.

Being incredibly intelligent doesn't neccessarily make someone a Mary Sue, though - he was abused as a child and has self destructive tendancies, he doesn't want to live up to his full potential either - he's averse to getting better. He has big emotional issues.

Matt Damon's also kinda ugly as a floppy haired fuckass

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is fuckass a legit word now? Somebody call Richard Kelly right away.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Rouge One is a better film than the Force Awakens because at least Jyn is an actual character and not just a audience surrogate for little kids.

lol gently caress no.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Kjoery posted:

honestly, i don't think you need to worry about poisioning the well with a viewerbase of this:



the shirtless trench coat was a sign. i do wish he'd wear a hat to complete the look, though

poo poo like this makes me want to drink but as history major, i should have seen this poo poo coming. once awful pieces of poo poo/events start receding from living memory, it becomes more "acceptable" to defend them. the only reason it took so long for hitler was because of the outrightness of his awful actions and because more importantly, he was a idiot gently caress up who was crushed under 5 years and had no good or positive ideas.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jun 26, 2017

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


it's like ronnie raygun.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

poo poo like this makes me want to drink but as history major, i should have seen this poo poo coming. once awful pieces of poo poo/events start reciding from living memory,

As a copyeditor, it's "receding."

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Groovelord Neato posted:

it's like ronnie raygun.

yeah sorta. but ronnie knew how to "hide" his awfulness and god extremely lucky with international events(USSR imploading etc.)


Avenging_Mikon posted:

As a copyeditor, it's "receding."

fixed

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

Dapper_Swindler posted:

poo poo like this makes me want to drink but as history major, i should have seen this poo poo coming. once awful pieces of poo poo/events start reciding from living memory, it becomes more "acceptable" to defend them. the only reason it took so long for hitler was because of the outrightness of his awful actions and because more importantly, he was a idiot gently caress up who was crushed under 5 years and had no good or positive ideas.
the 'net providing a place of these ideologies to easily & anonymously congregate and resonate without fear of traditional social persecution is likely another compounding factor

in short, the internet was a mistake

oh yea, and that trenchcoat chesthair neo-nazi also did a video praising laci. of course:


on the other hand, the dude is making ~$3,000/month off patreon alone, so hey, can't argue with results!

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Dapper_Swindler posted:

poo poo like this makes me want to drink but as history major, i should have seen this poo poo coming. once awful pieces of poo poo/events start receding from living memory, it becomes more "acceptable" to defend them. the only reason it took so long for hitler was because of the outrightness of his awful actions and because more importantly, he was a idiot gently caress up who was crushed under 5 years and had no good or positive ideas.

I studied oral history and the whole idea behind modern oral history theory was to embrace lived experience and to listen across difference, allowing us to understand people through their life stories, but yeah as another history major I should have known better.

Also on the subject of money and youtube content, it totally is about the cash. Jordan Peterson gets paid $160,000 from his tenured position at the University of Toronto but he's still raking in more money with his Patreon to the tune of *checks* holy poo poo $50k a month???

50 grand a month to take on post-modernism and do a lecture series about the psychology of the biblical stories gently caress me

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqo3j9W0pCQ

Is Alexander Jahans /ourguy/?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah sorta. but ronnie knew how to "hide" his awfulness and god extremely lucky with international events(USSR imploading etc.)

true, dubya is the better example.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

NikkolasKing posted:

I won't defend FDR or the Allies on some of their actions during the war but destroying the German war machine like their factories and stuff? FDR shouldn't have done that because it would make Jewish slaves starve? I...what?

And that entire title is the epitome of "poisoning the well" isn't it? "Cousin-loving" what the gently caress. Who the hell cares about that?

-Crippled by a childhood disease

STRIKE ONE rear end in a top hat

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Dapper_Swindler posted:

but as history major

:hfive:

Sup fellow history major

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