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This is actually a shockingly bad CBO score, way worse than expected. A lot of people assumed that the Senate would be specifically structuring their bill with an eye to looking significantly better than the House. This ... does not. The only way it could have been more of a disaster is if they'd somehow hit 24 million.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:45
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evilweasel posted:The only way it could have been more of a disaster is if they'd somehow hit 24 million. It's still early, give them time. The high score is theirs for the taking.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:45
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like, for example, i feel like senator collins was not expecting it to come in at 20 million or above when she said this: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/877999611767439360
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evilweasel posted:This is actually a shockingly bad CBO score, way worse than expected. A lot of people assumed that the Senate would be specifically structuring their bill with an eye to looking significantly better than the House. This ... does not. The only way it could have been more of a disaster is if they'd somehow hit 24 million. https://twitter.com/KristerJohnson/status/879436928440868868
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evilweasel posted:This is actually a shockingly bad CBO score, way worse than expected. A lot of people assumed that the Senate would be specifically structuring their bill with an eye to looking significantly better than the House. This ... does not. The only way it could have been more of a disaster is if they'd somehow hit 24 million. Otoh they got quite a bit more savings while only kicking one million more off health insurance!
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It front loads people losing their insurance, which as a policy is super 
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evilweasel posted:like, for example, i feel like senator collins was not expecting it to come in at 20 million or above when she said this: How is she going to run for Governor of a blue state after saying THAT and then voting for the bill? She has to be a no.
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evilweasel posted:This is actually a shockingly bad CBO score, way worse than expected. A lot of people assumed that the Senate would be specifically structuring their bill with an eye to looking significantly better than the House. This ... does not. The only way it could have been more of a disaster is if they'd somehow hit 24 million.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:47
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Kylra posted:Why would the 1 more million specifically make that much of a difference in level of catastrophe instead of 2? If that's your implication anyway. It's more the 15M that are going to lose their coverage before the midterms.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:48
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Kylra posted:Why would the 1 more million specifically make that much of a difference in level of catastrophe instead of 2? If that's your implication anyway. 23 less than 24. Bigger number bad. Caveman GOP logic. Surface level analysis.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:48
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The employer insurance losses is what really scares me. I already pay half of my insurance through my employer and have little doubt they would, if able, cut it entirely.
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This bill would effectively end rural hospitals, urgent care centers, all but the most gold plated hospice and nursing homes, pre and neonatal care for the plurality of infants, and would wreak complete havoc on drug rehab and treatment, out patient, non emergency mental health services, and..god, on and on. They are talking about stripping ten digits of public facing money from healthcare generally. Also very important to look past raw coverage figures and think long and hard about what the collapse of aca insurance definitions means for those who still have insurance. Lifetime caps. Post illness recission. Jesus.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:49
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I'm still laughing my rear end off at the fact that they're considering money for the opioid epidemic but somehow they and their idiot voters divorce that from medical care. Sure, that dude in Ohio OD-ing on heroin in church is gonna be able to afford rehab on his $100 "Winners Don't Do Drugs" stipend. That'll work. Just like everything else in their church - talk about how bad it is/how you sinned, throw a few bucks that way, and walk out the door forgiven and fresh with no lesson learned and no change in attitude.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:49
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15 million newly uninsured by next year? Isn't half the idea behind this disaster to try and put as much distance between its passing and people being dropped as possible? At least past 2020? How did they gently caress this up?
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Jun 26, 2017 21:50
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BonoMan posted:The employer insurance losses is what really scares me. I already pay half of my insurance through my employer and have little doubt they would, if able, cut it entirely. I feel like it opens the door for pretty much any industry outside of the hyper-competitive (like tech) to do the same, unless there's some hidden provision that prevents that. You can't have a public option, and you can't get insurance through your employer... GOP just wants fuckers to die already
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Randbrick posted:This bill would effectively end rural hospitals, urgent care centers, all but the most gold plated hospice and nursing homes, pre and neonatal care for the plurality of infants, and would wreak complete havoc on drug rehab and treatment, out patient, non emergency mental health services, and..god, on and on. cool so the hospital i go to is probaly hosed too. jesus gently caress the GOP are bunch of subhuman ghouls.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:51
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It's really really amazing that the GOP managed to find a release valve for their REPEAL AND REPLACE hardon that coincided with a way to get their tax giveaway reconciliation plan some traction.
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Ripoff posted:I'm still laughing my rear end off at the fact that they're considering money for the opioid epidemic but somehow they and their idiot voters divorce that from medical care. I don't see why addicts would need all that money anyway, they could have D.A.R.Ed to 'Just Said No.' e: every single day I wish I could toss a raw egg at Nancy Reagan. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Kylra posted:Why would the 1 more million specifically make that much of a difference in level of catastrophe instead of 2? If that's your implication anyway. If they'd gotten to 24 million they'd actually be worse than the House bill. Which is a problem as Obama got Trump to repeat his statement that the House bill was mean on TV. I think they needed it below 20 million at least, enough to claim it was a significant improvement over the House bill.
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Okay now I know this sounds bad, but have you considered the CBO is probably full of deep state Obama holdovers?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:15 million newly uninsured by next year? Isn't half the idea behind this disaster to try and put as much distance between its passing and people being dropped as possible? At least past 2020? How did they gently caress this up? It turns out that if you try and ram through a bill that alters 15% of the economy in a super short period of time while ignoring all advice and only using 100% IDEOLOGICALLY PURE solutions you gently caress up. Hard.
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Wait, I think this whole healthcare thing makes sense if the GOP are being controlled by Ra's Al Ghul. His whole deal was culling the human population, right?
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Wow that is monstrous I wonder if Canada will consider granting you Americans refugee status
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Jun 26, 2017 21:53
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evilweasel posted:If they'd gotten to 24 million they'd actually be worse than the House bill. Which is a problem as Obama got Trump to repeat his statement that the House bill was mean on TV. Even if they got it down to 15, the fact that its all happening within a single year boggles my mind. No one outside of the usual crazy suspects can spin that as good news.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I feel like it opens the door for pretty much any industry outside of the hyper-competitive (like tech) to do the same, unless there's some hidden provision that prevents that. 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:15 million newly uninsured by next year? Isn't half the idea behind this disaster to try and put as much distance between its passing and people being dropped as possible? At least past 2020? How did they gently caress this up? holy poo poo it gets worse https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/879439992665329664 15 million more uninsured AND 20% higher premiums, right before the midterms!
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JazzFlight posted:Wait, I think this whole healthcare thing makes sense if the GOP are being controlled by Ra's Al Ghul. His whole deal was culling the human population, right? It would take a chunk out of population growth, but not enough to make it negative.
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CBO is Fake News, don't you know?
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Do it you cowards - vote to kill your electorates. It's not like it'll stop them from voting for you (except for the ones who are dead, they won't be able to obviously) accusing democrats of rampant illegal voting is the perfect cover for your widespread dead voting.
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JazzFlight posted:Wait, I think this whole healthcare thing makes sense if the GOP are being controlled by Ra's Al Ghul. His whole deal was culling the human population, right? Wait I found the 11th dimension chess here. They're actually trying to save the environment. They want to drive population TO city centers by Also less people farting methane into the environment.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:54
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No wonder Spicer didn't want to be filmed. It would be bad optics for the press secretary to cry
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Javes posted:23 less than 24. Bigger number bad. Caveman GOP logic. Surface level analysis. evilweasel posted:holy poo poo it gets worse
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That's... a lot of money for premiums... https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/879437160365084672
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Jun 26, 2017 21:55
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I take it this is now officially the worst bill that ever stood a real chance of becoming law in US history.
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Randbrick posted:This bill would effectively end rural hospitals, urgent care centers, all but the most gold plated hospice and nursing homes, pre and neonatal care for the plurality of infants, and would wreak complete havoc on drug rehab and treatment, out patient, non emergency mental health services, and..god, on and on. Yeah. People gon fuckin die.
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haveblue posted:I take it this is now officially the worst bill that ever stood a real chance of becoming law in US history. Does the Prohibition amendment count as a law?
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haveblue posted:I take it this is now officially the worst bill that ever stood a real chance of becoming law in US history. Not even close.
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Javes posted:That's... a lot of money for premiums... How hosed up is it that in this country a 64 year old has to pay 20K for health care until he turns 65 at which point he pays nothing and gets a massively popular and effective single payer plan.
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