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tag youre fat posted:khalid... doesn't care?
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looks like his account got hacked imo
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I mean he's right so it doesnt matter either way but still
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I'd rather poor people didn't die. just my onion
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Thaddius the Large posted:This, however, is a pretty terrible way of going about it, especially in telling a person of color that their experience is wrong, and is doing exactly what you're accusing others of. Socialists have enough trouble with the perception that it's a bunch of white people ignoring issues of race on an organizational level, if not outright discriminating, and doing so on a personal level isn't any better. Rather than shutting down that conversation, we should be open to criticism and feedback, and seek to be more inclusive of how to best advocate for the oppressed. Isn't that kind of why we're all here? it's less "what you see or think isn't real and neither are your concerns" and more "my direct experience has been the exact opposite of that"
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what exactly are they doing and where are they setting up a dual power situation http://www.congressofresistance.org/call_to_action it's pretty nascent but is showing a lot of promise
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the 2-day DSA leadership training is real good. y'all should take it. national wants everyone to get it so I'm sure eventually you will, but I'm saying get it as soon as you can.
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im going to the dsa conference in chicago and im gonna get real drunk
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jarofpiss posted:im going to the dsa conference in chicago and im gonna get real drunk 
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jarofpiss posted:im going to the dsa conference in chicago and im gonna get real drunk  except here at home
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A rookie mistake.
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DC DSA is protesting AHCA/BCRA all week. Event's somewhere on Facebook, can't link it atm. Come yell about healthcare with us. Bunch of ppl from Baltimore DSA goin down on Wednesday. Whoever finds the facebook link first, you should put it in the "stand in the rain with signs" thread
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If you're in CA, call that snake Rendon about SB562:
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Ruzihm posted:Whoever finds the facebook link first, you should put it in the "stand in the rain with signs" thread Done
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:oh and it's looking like I'll be at the convention so look for the gormless fat idiot white woman who is unable to communicate except in the form of memes, i guess You'll be in good company, probably Especially if I could go
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Nitrousoxide posted:Done Many thanks! 
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:If you're in CA, call that snake Rendon about SB562: And tell everyone about planned Parenthood giving him cover to protect their bourgoise jobs. I can't attach their press release but it nonsensically gives cover to rendon, saying that the state legislature should concentrate instead on UHC federally (????). Once you read their sordid press release and see how little it makes sense given the organizations putative goals, it's hard not to just think this is a group of managers throwing actual help for women under the bus to maintain their entrenched position. I believe the failure of UHC in California should be exploited as a recruiting tool because it really shows how loving full of poo poo our Democratic political class is. The way this has been handled has made me a full blown Communist and I now believe that liberalism and capitalism must be destroyed to save the human race, not just contained. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 21:02 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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We passed UHC THROUGH the legislature and it got vetoed twice, it's in the party platform, they had legislation on the shelf, and they killed it before details could be filled out in committee citing lack of legislative detail in the bill. It's transparent bullshit catch 22. There's a comfortable super majority of Democrats in the legislature and it's on their loving party platform. We really need to use California as an example of how Democrats really will not deliver and just make up procedural bullshit to deny lower classes basic human necessities.
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Yeah this is why I hope the DSA starts to take a harder stance and separate entirely from the dems. I know there are still a lot of people within ya'lls organization and within this thread who feel there is value in pursuing an inside/outside strategy but the internal structure and organization of the dems makes it unsuitable to working class politics. I also feel running within the democratic primary system confuses the political message of needing to build an alternative to the two capitalist parties. I know Maria Svart and Bhaskar Sunkara still hold to running candidates in whatever fashion they can get on a ballot line but at least in interviews it seems they are starting to embrace the idea of working towards building a socialist or labor party. A working class party needs to be built from the ground up. Not saying it's easy or quick, but it is what's needed.
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The CalDNC is literally nothing but developers, financial types, and the occasional academic from a monied family so its no surprise the Senate refuses to pass single payer or any other meaningful reform
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apropos to nothing posted:Yeah this is why I hope the DSA starts to take a harder stance and separate entirely from the dems. I know there are still a lot of people within ya'lls organization and within this thread who feel there is value in pursuing an inside/outside strategy but the internal structure and organization of the dems makes it unsuitable to working class politics. I also feel running within the democratic primary system confuses the political message of needing to build an alternative to the two capitalist parties. I know Maria Svart and Bhaskar Sunkara still hold to running candidates in whatever fashion they can get on a ballot line but at least in interviews it seems they are starting to embrace the idea of working towards building a socialist or labor party. A working class party needs to be built from the ground up. Not saying it's easy or quick, but it is what's needed. My chapter is constantly being dragged down by old turds who are steadfast "I can change him!" about the DNC which is a shame because they're also the only ones who seem to care much about specific union/working class matters.
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I don't see why we can't simultaneously organize independently and attempt to devour the party from within.
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i can't support the democrats anymore after they killed single payer initiatives first in Colorado and now in CA, it's clear the party no longer represents me. not sure if I should change party affiliation yet though e: I'm in CO, gotta be some DSA stuff happening around here right
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It's not so much that trying to change the Democratic party from within is a great plan, it's just that there are no better, more effective plans available.
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there was a state Democratic Party convention somewhere (Maine? Vermont?) where a bunch of delegates were with Our Revolution and tried to overwhelm the old guard with more radical positions, and I think they did ok. swarming and devouring is a-ok. it might peel off some frustrated liberals too, and drive some intransigent ones away.
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like i said if someone has a way of creating a socialist party that won't get tag-teamed by the dems + republicans once they realize what's going on, i'm all game for it not only does entryism give you all of the inertia and name recognition, but it also neutralizes a lot of possible resistance as well. it's going to be a lot harder for liberals to buddy up with republicans if they have to leave the party to do it
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looking at dems and throwing your hands up in disgust and walking away isn't a solution making them afraid of their base until they can be replaced by a socialist, on the other hand
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There's no option that isn't going to be hard and difficult and frustrating and enraging and futile-feeling for a long time. There's not gonna be a quick fix.
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business hammocks posted:there was a state Democratic Party convention somewhere (Maine? Vermont?) where a bunch of delegates were with Our Revolution and tried to overwhelm the old guard with more radical positions, and I think they did ok. swarming and devouring is a-ok. it might peel off some frustrated liberals too, and drive some intransigent ones away. hopefully this is true and youre not thinking of the california convention where our revolution and other leftist people won nearly all of the elected delegate positions but it turns out elected delegates only got 1/3 of the votes and the other 2/3 were party insiders and the insider chair candidate won the election by like a few dozen votes out of a few thousand and then refused to let anyone see the ballots
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ex post facho posted:i can't support the democrats anymore after they killed single payer initiatives first in Colorado and now in CA, it's clear the party no longer represents me. Colorado was a referendum, the voters killed it.
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Shear Modulus posted:hopefully this is true and youre not thinking of the california convention where our revolution and other leftist people won nearly all of the elected delegate positions but it turns out elected delegates only got 1/3 of the votes and the other 2/3 were party insiders and the insider chair candidate won the election by like a few dozen votes out of a few thousand and then refused to let anyone see the ballots no this was definitely New England or thereabouts. I can't look it up just now, but they were dead-even with establishment dems and got some good gains wrt party policy/platform, at least.
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Business Gorillas posted:looking at dems and throwing your hands up in disgust and walking away isn't a solution lol they don't care what the base thinks
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Dmitri-9 posted:Colorado was a referendum, the voters killed it. Wasn't even close, unfortunately.  There was a lot of money put in to muddy the waters in favor of the non-single payer camp.
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Internet Explorer posted:Wasn't even close, unfortunately. It was also opposed publicly amd vocally by the Dems, including the governor and state senator
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ex post facho posted:It was also opposed publicly amd vocally by the Dems, including the governor and state senator Yuuuuuuuup. I know quite a few Democrat voters who were staunchly against it for... reasons unknown.
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now here's an editorial the likes of which i never thought i'd see in a major us newspaper: Socialism's Future May be Its Past Bhaskar Sunkara, a DSA Vice Chair posted:Stripped down to its essence, and returned to its roots, socialism is an ideology of radical democracy. In an era when liberties are under attack, it seeks to empower civil society to allow participation in the decisions that affect our lives. A huge state bureaucracy, of course, can be just as alienating and undemocratic as corporate boardrooms, so we need to think hard about the new forms that social ownership could take. the piece has its problems, but in my many years of readership, i can't recall ever having seen serious advocacy for socialism (or something like it or transitinal to it) in the new york times Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 02:25 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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I was going to joke that I'm glad civil rights activists tried to change existing parties rather than starting their own, but of course, they did that too. So I guess I'm in favor of more radical parties as one prong of attack if they're at least as good as the BPP (upon whose name be peace).
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Annual Prophet posted:now here's an editorial the likes of which i never thought i'd see in a major us newspaper: he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes
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