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Jordan's always hatin' You nerds calm, down take 5, and go get a drink of water. You even upset the dog! 
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evilweasel posted:One other thing jumped out at me from the original article that started this: that California voted down a drug price control referendum following a sustained campaign against it. If I were a Democrat in the legislature that would scare the poo poo out of me contemplating voting for single payer and suggest to me that voters wouldn't actually back me once republicans started ranting about death panels or whatever with a big bankroll to fund the ads. I will vote for virtually anything that fucks over pharma companies and even I had to vote against that pile of poo poo. So I wouldn't read too much into it. TheOneAndOnlyT fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:What about just offering Medicaid to anyone with a buy in, not to exceed $5k/year. It's not "NHS IMMEDIATELY!" but it would be a huge benefit to people. Regardless of whatever the system, it would need a tax increase to pay for it, so it still has the 2/3s hurdle. Additionally, right now, there are a lot of other issues regarding how healthcare funding is broken up, and they would need both state constitutional amendments and federal cooperation before they could consider merging Medicaid/Medical/CHIP into a single system, and that would be a per-requisite before they could start expanding it to include new people like under a single payer plan. Also, that would be a public option system, and it feels like this thread has now become hostile to that proposal, even though it would be far easier to implement at a state or federal level, compared to single payer.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What about just offering Medicaid to anyone with a buy in, not to exceed $5k/year. It's not "NHS IMMEDIATELY!" but it would be a huge benefit to people. It would be a massive success as far as providing healthcare is concerned - much moreso than the ACA. The Republicans don't want that to happen because they're bad people.
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Lemming posted:SB562 specifically has provisions to help retrain and get new jobs for the people who'd lose their jobs. Your next point, good. gently caress health insurance companies. Your next point, good. gently caress people who profit from health insurance companies. Lol retraining is not going to be good enough I'm loving sorry! Do you know how little jobs we have in this country? Do you know how bad unemployment is going to be 5 to 10 years from now? These are probably going to be of the few jobs LEFT in the entire nation in the next 20 years. We're going to face 50% unemployment rate before I die. Destroying the few remaining good paying jobs in this country isn't a good idea.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Lol retraining is not going to be good enough I'm loving sorry! Come on, if you're going to do this, at least do a good job. Go look up Yug's posting, that's the good poo poo.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yes, I'm sure Pelosi is coordinating with the state assembly to give you single payer blue balls. I know, it's not like she's busy with anything on the national level at all....
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https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/879514085620166656 that is disturbingly plausible but nobody seems to care about him fortunately
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I like how the Netherlands rated Obama so high regardless of his anti-privacy regulation. I guess it reflects badly upon the Netherlands too because we're bad at that stuff.
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The Glumslinger posted:Also, that would be a public option system, and it feels like this thread has now become hostile to that proposal, even though it would be far easier to implement at a state or federal level, compared to single payer. Yeah for me I'm fine either way. Expand coverage, make it work. Single payer is great and I'd prefer that but if the dems could do a public option I'd be pleased as punch. TheScott2K posted:It would be a massive success as far as providing healthcare is concerned - much moreso than the ACA. The Republicans don't want that to happen because they're bad people. Oh, of course the GOP would never do it. I'm just talking about dem messaging/platform going forward.
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We're about to bomb syria again apparently.
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FizFashizzle posted:We're about to bomb syria again apparently. https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/879516406387290112
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poll: is this threads healthcare chat better than the healthcare threads healthcare chat we are about to bomb syria https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/879516419309936640 lol holy gently caress beaten
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Lemming posted:Yeah man, you're right. All those sick and dying uninsured people will be completely hosed if they get free, quality health care. It'll be easy! Easy! Everyone could have single payer right loving now if only the drat establishment wasn't getting in the way. Who gives a gently caress about Prop98, right? Single Payer is just so easy. I'm sure there won't be any complexity involved with transitioning a single state to Single Payer, and if they do run into hiccups, they can look to the many other states who have gone down this path. It's simple y'all, want it, and it'll happen. Nobody who currently has good insurance will find themselves with different coverage gaps or a meaningful decrease in quality of care.... because healthcare is the most basic poo poo since pumpkin spice lattes. It's an empty bill that's being pingponged around because, as the President will tell you, Healthcare is terribly complex and nobody has bothered to figure poo poo out. It's fine though, we should ram it through for a great progressive victory, gently caress the lives it'll impact. We'll handle the messy details later.  maybe the people who insist on more detail than the tagline of "medicare for all" saw this coming and were trying to help instead of piss on progressive dreams
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FizFashizzle posted:We're about to bomb syria again apparently. When did we stop?
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Paracaidas posted:It'll be easy! Easy! Everyone could have single payer right loving now if only the drat establishment wasn't getting in the way. Give me a loving break there's been mulitiple fully fleshed out MfA bills at both the state and federal level and nobody says it''s simple. It's telling that you had to make a giant strawman on this.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Cool, lets bomb another empty airfield. Here's hoping they miss and atcually hit some VX.
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Someone find the clip of trump talking about how stupid it is to telegraph your military actions. Like I'm torn between the two outcomes from this horrible, pointless, stupid response to another civilian atrocity. Either we have a red line moment after he refuses to go through with anything and we get to hear people explain why this is different than obama OR They just get everyone away from the airfield and nothing gets done just like last time.
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KickerOfMice posted:Here's hoping they miss and atcually hit some VX. Or some Russians and Vlad releases the piss tape.
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Faustian Bargain posted:I'm sure some empty hangars are shaking in their boots. Nah, actually those are children shaking. Hopefully we can keep the number of those dying below four this time! 
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Reminder that California taxpayers pay billions more in federal taxes than the state receives back in federal spending. We're basically underwriting the Medicaid system for all the red states. If we're going to pass single payer here we need the feds on board, either by cutting our taxes so the state can in turn raise taxes to pay for it (lol fat chance), or by committing to helping fund it with federal dollars. 526 assumed CA's Medicaid dollars would be rolled into the single payer system, but hell the AHCA is proposing to *cut* medicaid. Nevermind that no waiver has been granted to use medicaid dollars for a single payer system. The *last* thing we need is for a half baked single payer plan with unsecured funding to get passed, put the state back in the red, and give conservatives double ammo: single payer bankrupts states and lol CA is proof that liberals can't govern.
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Filthy Hans posted:I guess Trump wants another jingoistic bombing poll bump to salve his ego pretty much, he wants a ratings bump and to look tough again. then he will go back to sucking off putin.
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Universal Healthcare would drive down medical costs tremendously. Think of it like Wal- Mart , the reason Wal Mart is able to sell at such low prices is that in their position they are so large that companies must meet their demands or suffer from loss of business. A good example of this is Vlassic pickles. https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know Basically, when you only have one company you can sell to then you have to meet that companies demands or go out of business.So people saying "Oh Medicare for all wouldn't work" , yeah it would if there were no longer private insurance companies. It's why medical costs are lower in countries with Universal Healthcare. If you add in the fact that some US States have the same GDP and economic power as all of Europe then yeah it absolutely would work.
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Paracaidas posted:It'll be easy! Easy! Everyone could have single payer right loving now if only the drat establishment wasn't getting in the way. Yeah I'm sure that smothering the bill and killing it before it can get to the point where they can have discussion on it and amend it to flesh out those details and fix those problems is what someone who was very supportive of it but concerned about details would do, and not someone who doesn't support it but was looking for a fig leaf to try to make it go away You're a genius you see right through to the noble heart of establishment Democrats, who have always had our best interests in mind
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No you see, hes actually trying to understand facebook's role in everyone's daily life to help combat fake news
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There is a non zero chance that Zuck is a poorly disguised alien.
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I've said before that Zuckerberg has all the charisma of a filthy manhole cover and I stand by it.
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Hollismason posted:Universal Healthcare would drive down medical costs tremendously. Think of it like Wal- Mart , the reason Wal Mart is able to sell at such low prices is that in their position they are so large that companies must meet their demands or suffer from loss of business. A good example of this is Vlassic pickles. I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing that single payer or public option would result in the total cost of medical care in this nation going up, at least on a per capita basis
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Family Values posted:Reminder that California taxpayers pay billions more in federal taxes than the state receives back in federal spending. We're basically underwriting the Medicaid system for all the red states. If we're going to pass single payer here we need the feds on board, either by cutting our taxes so the state can in turn raise taxes to pay for it (lol fat chance), or by committing to helping fund it with federal dollars. 526 assumed CA's Medicaid dollars would be rolled into the single payer system, but hell the AHCA is proposing to *cut* medicaid. Nevermind that no waiver has been granted to use medicaid dollars for a single payer system. This argument only makes sense if single payer would cost more, but it would literally be cheaper for California as a whole than our current system. There's no reason not to do it.
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KickerOfMice posted:I've said before that Zuckerberg has all the charisma of a filthy manhole cover and I stand by it. Manhole covers fit in though
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KickerOfMice posted:I've said before that Zuckerberg has all the charisma of a filthy manhole cover and I stand by it. I think this is mostly correct, apart from that ze zuck is mostly a square
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There is a non zero chance that Zuck is a poorly disguised alien. John Carpenter is remaking The Social Network?
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