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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Kjoery posted:

nah, most of them are ok with gays, people who look approximately white, and asians (because anime). black people can be ok, as long as They're One Of The Good Ones.

the really hardline alt-righters (the ones that attended Spencer's rally recently, for example) tho are pretty intent on their whiteboy's club, yeah. i wouldn't classify The Skeptics as That Bad - yet. at the very least they have to pretend to put on an extremely thin PC face when in the public spotlight. who knows, though, maybe they'll be able to break down that last layer of social resistance.

I think the loss of the liberal status quo has changed things for the rationals as far as the world they're responding to. It's hard to sail by on rage about "criminal immigrants" when INS has become a gestapo force grabbing people willy nilly and throwing them into special immigration prisons. Plus economic chaos and the possible loss of health insurance means some of them might drop off youtube as America and its trading partners destabilize.

Carl's loss of income sustainability would be a sweet cherry on top of the death of America imo.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

I like boogie, honestly sad he took such a dumb stance.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Verisimilidude posted:

Yeah, I deleted what I wrote earlier because the idea is absurd and I thought twice, but since you quoted:

It seems like since it morphed into this more tangible form (alt-right) that accepts and proliferates all of these other less-acceptable ideas (racism, virulent misogyny, white supremacy, etc) it has become easier for people to distance themselves from those ideas. At least in my experience, people seem to be stepping away from being so outwardly anti-SJW/anti-feminism because, even though they do support alt-right views, they don't want to be perceived as alt-right themselves.

It doesnt help that Stormfront and TRS have basically infiltrated the chans and Reddit and have become the true puppet masters behind alot of what spews out onto Social Media Platforms

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Groovelord Neato posted:

the crack law isn't explicitly racist just implicitly so. it's perfect for pedants like sargon et al. another fun lil tidbit: white peeps do and deal crack more than black people but 99.8 percent of crack convictions are black offenders.

I know this is a page back, but it's really amazing how much those idiots don't realize the difference between de jure and de facto law.

Besides, if what was on paper was all that mattered, then by that logic, the USSR must've been the best country because its constitution covered way more then the US constitution.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
What's with destiny showing other people's video in higher speeds, usually to refute something, is it to avoid copyright claims? Or is this just how the kids eat up information nowadays?

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Verisimilidude posted:

Yeah, I deleted what I wrote earlier because the idea is absurd and I thought twice, but since you quoted:

It seems like since it morphed into this more tangible form (alt-right) that accepts and proliferates all of these other less-acceptable ideas (racism, virulent misogyny, white supremacy, etc) it has become easier for people to distance themselves from those ideas. At least in my experience, people seem to be stepping away from being so outwardly anti-SJW/anti-feminism because, even though they do support alt-right views, they don't want to be perceived as alt-right themselves.

most racist people don't like being called racist


this guy must be addicted to anxiety or something

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

business hammocks posted:

I think the loss of the liberal status quo has changed things for the rationals as far as the world they're responding to. It's hard to sail by on rage about "criminal immigrants" when INS has become a gestapo force grabbing people willy nilly and throwing them into special immigration prisons. Plus economic chaos and the possible loss of health insurance means some of them might drop off youtube as America and its trading partners destabilize.

Carl's loss of income sustainability would be a sweet cherry on top of the death of America imo.

He has a computer repair shop in Swindon and is making four grand a month from patreon. Sargon seems like the kind of guy who would save his money as well so he can just weather the storm when the current alt-right bubble bursts like the SJW one has. Just wait till the UK enters a recession due to leaving the EEC and Corbyn gets elected in on a minority government with the LibDems or whoever to see him truly begin the downward spiral into chaos.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Honest Thief posted:

What's with destiny showing other people's video in higher speeds, usually to refute something, is it to avoid copyright claims? Or is this just how the kids eat up information nowadays?

nightcore debate streams

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

nightcore debate streams

I dont know what that is, googling it shows me an anime music thing?

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010




Someone should probably tell him that the Honey Badgers were there in the front row apparently along with Sargon. These are two pieces of poo poo rape apologists who have proven track records of bilking thousands of dollars from their idiot fans so they can attend meetings and harass feminists and other people they disagree with.

Anita wasn't being paranoid or overly sensitive to preemptively attack these shitlords. They were there to gently caress with her and she was simply one step ahead of them.

Boogie seems like the epitome of liberal. I remember him defending JonTron, too. He's probably not a bad guy himself but he's way too in favor of "don't rock the boat." It's like what Contra pointed out in his free speech video, don't think we don't know what type of speech you defend. I wonder if he called out Sargon for doxxing that woman a few short months ago.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jun 27, 2017

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Honest Thief posted:

I dont know what that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtvNFIXL34

Nightcore

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
Four thousand quids a month?! Are there any statistics on how much alt-right content makes vs not alt-right?

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

[video type="youtube"]wWtvNFIXL34[video]

Nightcore

:stare: well, okay

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Am I the only one both surprised and bemused that Maddox is still doing stuff? I thought he was funny when I was more of an rear end in a top hat, but even then I assumed he was 90% a gimmick instead of genuine.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


rkajdi posted:

Am I the only one both surprised and bemused that Maddox is still doing stuff? I thought he was funny when I was more of an rear end in a top hat, but even then I assumed he was 90% a gimmick instead of genuine.

was a mistake to start making vids. his face/voice don't match the persona.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jun 27, 2017

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

rkajdi posted:

Am I the only one both surprised and bemused that Maddox is still doing stuff? I thought he was funny when I was more of an rear end in a top hat, but even then I assumed he was 90% a gimmick instead of genuine.

I can certainly understand why Anita Sarkeesian would find him suddenly approaching her to talk about ethnic ancestry threatening.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

rkajdi posted:

Am I the only one both surprised and bemused that Maddox is still doing stuff? I thought he was funny when I was more of an rear end in a top hat, but even then I assumed he was 90% a gimmick instead of genuine.
Yeah I thought he fell off the map entirely when internet culture stuff moved from websites to video. It's a lot harder to pull the 10' tall hypermasculine pirate shtick when you have to appear in person and are not a 10' tall hypermasculine pirate.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Honest Thief posted:

What's with destiny showing other people's video in higher speeds, usually to refute something, is it to avoid copyright claims? Or is this just how the kids eat up information nowadays?

Destiny has a genius level IQ. It's why he can listen to content at 5x speed, play factorio, use valid sources and trick innocent youtubers to espouse white nationalism at the same time all while supporting a family.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

business hammocks posted:

I can certainly understand why Anita Sarkeesian would find him suddenly approaching her to talk about ethnic ancestry threatening.

Agreed. I mean, I would suspect anyone who goes up to her and starts asking about heritage would be suspect considering how people have been using it to attack her.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Honest Thief posted:

Four thousand quids a month?! Are there any statistics on how much alt-right content makes vs not alt-right?

Not really, but just to put things in perspective Hbomb is as of today making 3917 per video and Contrapoints is making 3029. CarlofSad is by the way no longer at 4000 and is now at a staggering 5713 per month (per video would be way to internally consistent). Both the alt-right and progressive left on Youtube are catering to a niche audience that is rapidly growing. It is also notable that Hbomb doesn't seem to grow as quickly when doing pop culture (although +300$ a video just off the Sherlock video is impressive) while Contrapoints and Sargon are both growing extremely quickly. Sargon today has twice the Patreonbase he started out the year with and Contrapoints has in the same time period grown by over 3 times. It's also noticeable that Garbage Human's patreonbase is individually about half as willing to donate (or poorer), read into that what you will.

Trump's election has kinda sent everything into overdrive.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
Guess it's time I quit my job and go into this youtube thing, has anyone tapped onto the 30 year olds who used to be way into nu-metal in their teens niche yet?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
God I wish I was venal enough to rant at women for having opinions on videogames I could've made actual money, lol funny how capitalism reinforces the worst instincts of garbage humans by financially incentivicing retards.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Honest Thief posted:

Guess it's time I quit my job and go into this youtube thing, has anyone tapped onto the 30 year olds who used to be way into nu-metal in their teens niche yet?

Gavin McInnes probably

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

Deified Data posted:

Gavin McInnes probably
Checks out, I followed him on twitter way long ago because of reading vice magazine, and nowadays most of his stuff is.. sad to say the least.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
I gotta friend who deals with content creators finance wise so I know a lil about how much they make, not any of these small fry tho.

Honest Thief posted:

Four thousand quids a month?! Are there any statistics on how much alt-right content makes vs not alt-right?


:stare: well, okay

You can check patreon. I'd say its fairly even, unless you count podcasts then the left content seems to make more. Dave Rubin makes the most of the right types, about the same as someone who makes porn games. Chapo makes a ludicrous amount on the left

The problem with the youtube skeptics is there's sooooooo loving many of them and they're all trying to copy sargon, so why pay them anything when you could donate to sargon instead. He puts out the most videos too, cause he has uhh, superior research skills. Or he just straight rips content and puts it up on his secondary channel, the first of which was deleted by youtube because Destiny successfully DMCA'd it 3 times (it had like 300k subscribers too) Skeptics really need the patreon money too, even tho they get say 100k views they don't make poo poo off that anymore.

The smartest skeptic is def Thunderfoot. He does two genres of content; sarkeesian videos and science videos and gets $3000 PER VIDEO. In the past week alone he has made twice sargon makes in a month

EDIT: Actually i'm surprised, I hadn't checked in a while but the lefty types are catching up to sargon fast.

Morroque
Mar 6, 2013

Dreylad posted:

Also on the subject of money and youtube content, it totally is about the cash. Jordan Peterson gets paid $160,000 from his tenured position at the University of Toronto but he's still raking in more money with his Patreon to the tune of *checks* holy poo poo $50k a month???

50 grand a month to take on post-modernism and do a lecture series about the psychology of the biblical stories gently caress me

Peterson, even though we're talking about him in the same context as these others, should really be in a another category. He was on traditional TV and radio within Canada for at least 20 years before transitioning to YouTube. It's possible that an income that high would be him cashing in on what took quite a while to build up. Others on the alt-right wouldn't have arrived on the scene with the same privledges and advantages as he has.

Adding to that would be how it wasn't always obvious what his politics were -- he was presented as a neutral professional for so much of it that you had to listen really closely to get even a hint of what his true nature was underneath. Hell, even I used to like the guy, and was even saving up to buy his expensive book before he lost his drat mind for fame and profit. I'd imagine there are probably other hangers-on who either missed all the recent controversy or are avoiding the unfortunate introspection that they were wrong to trust the guy.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Visidan posted:

The problem with the youtube skeptics is there's sooooooo loving many of them and they're all trying to copy sargon, so why pay them anything when you could donate to sargon instead. He puts out the most videos too, cause he has uhh, superior research skills. Or he just straight rips content and puts it up on his secondary channel, the first of which was deleted by youtube because Destiny successfully DMCA'd it 3 times (it had like 300k subscribers too) Skeptics really need the patreon money too, even tho they get say 100k views they don't make poo poo off that anymore.


Destiny was being a little twat over that

The gentlemanly thing to do was directly message Sargon and ask for it to be taken down

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

Honest Thief posted:

What's with destiny showing other people's video in higher speeds, usually to refute something, is it to avoid copyright claims? Or is this just how the kids eat up information nowadays?

i saw a response to a shaun and jen video where a dude "sped up" shauns voice on the vid. funny thing is that it wasn't any faster than his regular speech, so he just effectively pitch shifted his voice to make him look bad lol

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
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Honest Thief posted:

Guess it's time I quit my job and go into this youtube thing, has anyone tapped onto the 30 year olds who used to be way into nu-metal in their teens niche yet?

Youtube is the bad way of doing it these days, do streaming instead. Destiny isn't even one of the top streamers and he makes hundreds of thousands in donations a year and that doesn't include the thousands of subscribers at $5-25 a month, ad revenue and the sponsorship's he has with various companies. He makes way more than these idiot skeptics combined just playing video games.

I'm using destiny as an example cause he's one of the few people open about how much he makes on twitch, god knows how much the top streamers make considering streamers 1/15 the size of destiny can do it full time.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

So it's just playing songs at 120% speed?

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Destiny was being a little twat over that

The gentlemanly thing to do was directly message Sargon and ask for it to be taken down

gently caress sargon.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
One business DMCA'ing a another business is totally fine. They do that for a living they can get held to the same standards as other professional outlets.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Destiny was being a little twat over that

The gentlemanly thing to do was directly message Sargon and ask for it to be taken down

Do you work at being this much of a shithead, or does it just come naturally?

Stealing vids from someone else's site is the express purpose of the DMCA stuff. You do things through the official channels to make sure that it gets stopped entirely, and not just for you. You don't need to act like a gentleman to the guy directly stealing your content, you use the best tool to limit him period.

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord

Dongicus posted:

i saw a response to a shaun and jen video where a dude "sped up" shauns voice on the vid. funny thing is that it wasn't any faster than his regular speech, so he just effectively pitch shifted his voice to make him look bad lol

it's a tactic to lessen the effects of shaun's chill voice

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


Man, I like Shauns voice. It makes me sleepy but well informed.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He's a Lorenzo Music for the modern age.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Both Shaun and Dan O have really nice, clear voices that makes their videos much more enjoyable to watch.

Also helps that both of them script their videos to get to the bloody point.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Honest Thief posted:

Guess it's time I quit my job and go into this youtube thing

Before you do that just let me again put things into perspective. First off, most political content creators spent years slaving away to get where they are today and of the non-gamergate crowd many only really kicked off after 2016. Also, those Patreon numbers are an un-taxed business income. Now if memory serves me right Patreon does show users post-VAT contributions but that still leaves payroll tax and income tax. (replace the last two with business tax and capital gains for some of the income if you're running a private company) So Hbomb for instance, not counting youtube ad revenue (which I presume is abysmal), makes a few hundred pounds over the cost of basic standard of living in the UK. And that is after producing content for years, creating high quality content and being extremely successful comparatively speaking.

Like the beauty of being a YouTube content creator is that you can go from starving to unfathomably rich within a very short period of time, if you're lucky and extremely determined. But I wouldn't really tell anyone to pursue Youtube as a career path based of that. If you're unemployed and have someone else subsidizing your living costs it's probably worth a go but otherwise there are safer alternatives for income.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Destiny was being a little twat over that

The gentlemanly thing to do was directly message Sargon and ask for it to be taken down

wrong again.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

MiddleOne posted:

Before you do that just let me again put things into perspective. First off, most political content creators spent years slaving away to get where they are today and of the non-gamergate crowd many only really kicked off after 2016. Also, those Patreon numbers are an un-taxed business income. Now if memory serves me right Patreon does show users post-VAT contributions but that still leaves payroll tax and income tax. (replace the last two with business tax and capital gains for some of the income if you're running a private company) So Hbomb for instance, not counting youtube ad revenue (which I presume is abysmal), makes a few hundred pounds over the cost of basic standard of living in the UK. And that is after producing content for years, creating high quality content and being extremely successful comparatively speaking.

Like the beauty of being a YouTube content creator is that you can go from starving to unfathomably rich within a very short period of time, if you're lucky and extremely determined. But I wouldn't really tell anyone to pursue Youtube as a career path based of that. If you're unemployed and have someone else subsidizing your living costs it's probably worth a go but otherwise there are safer alternatives for income.
I was joking. I just need to take a look at what rate the youtube content creators have to put poo poo out and immediately know that pace isn't for me. It just seems a predatory market, unless you wanna do some videos once in a while, and then I bet you're not doing it as your main source of income.

Alternative answer: You can't tell me what to do.

Honest Thief fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 27, 2017

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Patreon takes a sizable cut too, I believe.

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